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The Unbearable waitness of waitingorooni

I hope it's towerjazz. Just because everything looks like sony these days ?

isnt the grass a bit saturated and cyan? Or is it just my montior

not too keen on the 1080 slow mo at the end of that vid. And not 100% sold on the rest of it. It did look a bit glossy and over sharpened, but for what I do it'll be fine. The rate of development is slightly obscene. I dont make enough money to keep up with it ? Its bonkers that if this camera had come out 3 months ago, there'd be way fewer doubters around. Now we're all like: no 10 bit internal 60fps or raw? meh.

they'are not brilliantly shot, i've not seen aliasing, but I've only been watching on my laptop. the point about the zeds to me is that they are finally up there with the sonys, but they are nikons. I stuck with nikon because for what I do they were the best fit for stills. I went nikon d5300 then gh5 for vid. I thought about switching to sony, but losing AF, or ditching my glass did not appeal. Being able to shoot something similar to sony quality vid, and keep my glass makes it a no-brainer. I'm sure there will be aspects that piss me off, but I'm also sure it'll piss me off less than not having AF, (or having to buy into yet another line of lenses). For a lot of jobbing pros who shoot stills and vid, speed and the "good enough" factor are important. I dont like it, but I learnt it the hard way: I always strive for better quality but in the last 2 years I jumped from low bitrate 1080 to 4K, with much more tortuous grading, without increasing my prices. And the pressure to race to the bottom is huge. In 10 years you might have AI shooting and editing the vids. They'll be crap, but they'll be way cheaper than me. yes agree the xt3 looks very nice. I've not seen an blackmagic footage that's been pushed around yet though. Want to see how the noisy those shadows are

You cant win here; then Andrew will be accused of trump-like behaviour, or having "lost". Maybe append a version of your post above to the end of it: or better use it as a starting point to reflect on when the personal and the passionate goes public. Sometimes you've got to externalise that shit, I can relate to that.

my interpretation was that "most cameras have something that is shit about them". I raved about my d800 but the focusing is pretty shit. (*Caveat: some things are subjectively, not objectively shit :D)

one more thing andrew! Don't forget that all PR execs have an eye on who will spruik their camera regardless of its faults or failings. I had a mate that used to get invited to weekend freebies by a major manufacturer because he wrote for a national photo mag. Were his reviews 100% impartial? 100% no. How could they be. He's only human. You get schmoozed and fed and watered, are you going to turn round and say their gizmo is a pile of shite? And then lose advertising revenue and potential for future invites? That's why I think we appreciate this site and the few like it - because you can be totally sure that there's none of that malarky. And I'm afraid that if we know that, that BM and Panasonic and all do too. Which means that if you do get invited to a press junket it'll be because whoever invited you is 100% sure you're going to be bedazalled .

I've not seen much of the handmaids tale, but there was one scene where the handmaids tear a convicted rapist to shreds, venting their pent up rage in the only way they're allowed. I dont think the behavior on photo forums is isolated and I cant help wondering if this is a shift in the way people interact generally, and if part of the cause is the lack of perceived power; of frustration at being screwed from all sides. The milk of human kindness seems in short supply generally, and not just in forums. (this isn't aimed at Andrew its just the dynamic that seems to be around). I have frequently wanted to yell at various people and institutions to shove various things in various orifices. And occasionally do, but you have to be certain you aint never gonna need to speak to the person or company again, lol. The weird thing about this to me is that the footage i've seen has not been that good. It all seemed a bit thrown together, not the pinnacle of some marketing strategy, but what do I know? I'm just a jobbing video hack, but i think I would've done a better job with half a day with one of those cams.

but they are very smug. Smuuuuuug.

whaaaat? are you sure? thats huge for me! On the z6 too?

All the spec speculation on the Panasonic will be moot if the sensor gives a nice image. I would swap ibis for 14 stops and organic highlight rolloff. Who knows? But by the time it's out there is a very high chance that I'll have a zed, and starting to invest in that system. By the way I believe nigh-con are only insisting on zee in North America, whereas nih-con else are fine with zed. Whatever they say there is no chance in hell I'll be calling it a zee.

I can see some of that lovely Nikon look in there. You have to underexposed it, th en you get that fat look like reversal film. Love it.

"some people" doth butter no parsnips. ? Who, where?

yes towerjazz sprung to my mind too. Their hint-dropping about working on something new with an established manufacturer rings true

yeah that opening shot is outside, I wouldn't put too much store in it. SHe's getting blue shadows from the sky, which can also make skin go magenta (the gh5 goes obscenely magenta in this case!) And in the log example she's getting lit from a pink building, with blue sky fill. Where she's in direct sunlight the skin tones look pretty good to my eye, although she has olive skin by the looks of it, which is a flattering tone to start with ? one more thing: my d5300 spoilt me for colour grading. I couldn't believe how much more work I had to do to my gh5 shots. Do I get a nicer image? Of course! Is it infinitely better to shoot with: Dur! But I had about 5 lumetri presets with my D5300 and I could just chuck one of them on, and go:PEACHY!, NEXT! WIth the GH5 I usually go: BLURGH! Fiddle, fiddle, fiddle... I'd love to get back to something approaching that first workflow. And then get a BMPCC4K for special occasions ?

finally found some z6 footage. Only looked on my laptop so far. It doesn't have a lot of magic, (in fact the 1080 looked nicer to me than the 4K), but it doesn't have anything that screams terrible. I always found the d5300 vid looked miles better underexposed a bit. Curious about shadow noise

that was my reaction too. its a full time job

erm, i've not even seen any footage yet, or hands on reviews. I for one kinda think thats a good idea before shelling the moolah Getting a bit fed up of all the wankspittle from youtubers who also havent seen any footage yet, or handled the thing.

On top of all that, as a nikon shooter I get autofocus for free on all my existing glass plus nikon colour science, plus a workflow and presets that I've developed over 5 years that should slot in nicely. I'm just wondering if z6+ my 14-24 will balance on my crane 2. eek

Still hanging to see some z6 footage.

Balloon footage has some magic! ? I have never shot raw, I'd love to have a fiddle.

Nope! its just something I've noticed when I've been forced to shoot at 1/50 - I tend to have a lot of camera movement and it really jumps out at me - it sort of looks like old VHS footage to me especially when the shutter angle was greater than 180. As I said it's probably just that I've got used to the look of a higher shutter angle. I wouldn't let it phase you if you're liking the look of the stuff you're shooting! film was much more forgiving of movement for some reason. Talking of film - that's what organic means to me. Its a combination of grain structure, detail and how the highlights are rendered. I've seen it in BMPCC & gh2 footage, the first time I saw magic lantern raw and one of the kinefinity cameras but again its just a preference. (I've tried to fake it on the gh5. I had this idea that as film grain was not in a grid - like an image sensor - that it meant that different grains in sub-pixel positions were rendering detail. I wrote a photoshop action to displace pixels slightly in each frame. It was a total bust :p)

I tend to use shutter speed so I try to keep it above 1/60th at 25fps or 125th at 50fps. Usually a bit higher if i can.

Where's the magic? ? Must be something to do with current sensor tech, but it doesn't have that organic feel that you see in the BMPCC and GH2. (just like most of the current crop of cameras). Also is it just me or does 180 degree shutter make everything look videoey? On the Gh5 I try not to shoot at 180 degrees, it looks like poo. EDIT: for the price its still bloody amazing, though and I met yet still get one ?