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there are so many reasons to criticise nikon: In no particular order: Their marketing, product strategy, blinkeredness with video, nikon 1, DL debacle, those embarrassing action cams, their locked down firmware, their corporate culture, lack of imagination, inability to listen to their users... the list goes on. But rarely do you hear nikon shooters go *sigh, I wish I could take photos like wot that samsung smartphone does* hee hee

deciding which camera to buy based on a DXOmark score is as sensible as a mixed metaphor on a bull. and as td^ says I agree with you on most things, but not this. I dont agree with him either. Clearly image quality is not determined by dxomarks. Surely you know better than most: horses for courses. D5 is about speed. according to dxo my d5500 has better dynamic range than my d800. It just doesn't. Maybe in the testormatic-dynamic-rangifier2000 it does, but in lightroom and photoshop - in a picture of an actual thing - it does not. Similarly my canon 7d would get near the 5dmk2 in theory, bit in practice the shadows were a mushy purple and green nightmare. Anyhoo, IMHO the d800/d810 still has the nicest image on the market: and that's not bad for a 5 year old camera.

thank you

ok cool thanks, I'll check it out

can anyone tell me about the 3 cinelike options with hue changes. I read through the entire thread last week but can't remember seeing anything about them, I'm doing a bit of testing with this at the moment with the gx85. Messing with cinelike with a flat curve vs say standard with -5 highliights +5 shadows. I took it out to the beach the other evening and I'm thinking that it makes no sense to use it when the dynamic range can easily be captured in an alternative profile. What do we think about this? Ideally in 8 bit dont we want the tonal range to be spread across as much of the histogram as possible rather than bunched in the middle? (whilst avoiding clipping). Also all the stuff I'm reading says to have sharpness& NR dialled down. Sharpness I get, but noise reduction? Is it a poor algorithm? Does it take out too much detail?

oh, i never saw any mention of IBIS being adressed by firmware updates (or anything relavent to me, hence I never bothered. But I'll give it a go. @jonpais no its not related to gimbal it does it handheld, on monopod and tripod ;/ Anyhoo I'll update and report back

I never felt like the IBIS was working properly from the get go. But recently it seems to actively make everything worse. at certain focal lengths I get better results if I switch it off. I've tested it set to a range of focal lengths. with the speedbooster I assume that I need to multiply by .71 so @11mm should be set to 8. and at 20mm should be set to 14. Part of the problem is that with it off and with the camera on a gimbal I get these micro-jitters like the sensor is on springs. Its way worse than using the exact same lens on my d5500 (and at comparable focal lengths). I've also tested it taking the crop factor into account. But thinking about it, this makes no sense. (as they sell an 8mm lens as 8mm not the FF equivalent).

Ugh. God I hope Nikon don't take a cue from this. I'm just not ready to move to Sony yet

yes I'm talking video! (DR in stills is Huuuuge compared to panasonic, but just a bit better in video). D810 better than d750. What I notice is that you can still lift the shadows a bit in nikon's 8bit, which is surprising seeing as the codec isn't much chops either. Whereas my gx85 is too noisy to lift them much at all.

i'm still not getting the fizz from gh5 footage. Occasionally looks very plastic and videoey. Which is a bummer because I bought the gx85 and a lens or 2 with a view to selling it and getting the gh5. which leaves me waiting for the next generation of nikon and sony to choose between.

i dont know about the sony's but the nikons dynamic range wins over the panasonics. I also dont know why you'd be worried about the "soft" 1080 image. Most people will be watching these vids on their phone. You could probably shoot VGA res and it would look alright.

wheres my reply? eoshd ate it! Urgh! this on d5300, panning done in post using PANOLAPSE (check it out). It takes care of deflick too. D810 robust pro camera. d5300 not so much but cheap. blah blah blah

Lightroom: total nightmare. Honestly I've not experienced anything so slow since trying to use corel draw on a 386 laptop 25 years ago. Premiere: the most stable its ever been for me. Hardly ever crashes handles the vast majority of shit I throw at it (lots of shit: backwards clips, mixed 4K and 1080, mixed codecs, 3 adjustment layers with lumetri and different blend modes, several lumetri adjustments with masks on a clip...) If i could find something that processes raws like camera raw I'd at least look hard at resolve. Having said that I want adobe to succeed (loyalty that comes from 27 years of using photoshop).

A minor segway for people who wonder why the hell anyone would shoot on nikon still: I was editing stuff from my last shoot yesterday. Interior shot exposed for the exterior sky (so there was just a tiny bit of data in the blue channel). Flat profile on nikon d5500, as flat as possible on the gx85. Blue skies recoverable from both shots, interior on the gx85 absolutely unrecoverable, no problems on the d5500 (and if only they had a decent codec it could be pushed much further). I dont know how the gh5 and log will compare, but the *usable* dynamic range on the nikons is still better than I've seen in this segment. I love my nikon gear, I also want them to be around in 10 years time :/

the nikon chief strategist is a drooling gibbon. honestly I think they could do better if they had a monkey throwing SH** at a chart of camera features

Urgh! I hope they can make active d-light in 4k available for the d820/d850 or whatever it will be called and full frame 4K. Its my last hope to remain a nikon shooter. Crop is aparently 1.5x

if anyone could care less: http://nikonrumors.com/2017/04/12/nikon-d7500-camera-announced.aspx/ Specs: http://www.nikonusa.com/en/nikon-products/product/dslr-cameras/d7500.html?icid=img_en_us:hp:banner:1:dslr:d7500:41217:wwa#tab-ProductDetail-ProductTabs-TechSpecs 4k looks like a 1.3 crop of dx (just a guess on the basis of photo sizes shot in movie mode). 30min recording limit. No mention of bitrate. Electronic stabilisation. Only thing of interest is active d-lighting in movie mode. Still no zebras, peaking etc.

yes, green or red (red usually)

ok so with peaking set to low, I've just found I can get peaking to show on very high contrast surfaces - the ones that are easiest to focus on anyway. (So for instance a wicker basket edge lit, gets peaking, but an external brick wall does not!!). I do have an external montior. I think for my shoot tomorrow, I'll have to rig it, and use that. On that note I'm shooting indoors under weird light - its not fluro its much greener. I've only used the gx85 in a very basic way up to now. I'm shooting photo style: custom -5 -5 0 -3 I'm likely to be shootin iso 400-800. I'll be shooting people coming down a slide, so lots of focus pulling, and a bit of hit and miss. Any suggested settings I should explore?

yeah but it used to work with non-native lenses (which is where I need it the most) *scratches head*

well theres nothing with peaking set to high or low. Nada. Camera is on manual focus

I've noticed the last few weeks it seems to be hardly visible even on high. Now I cant see it at all. I'm using a nikon 135 f2. Even stopped down to 5.6 I get nothing. Its set to high. Is there another setting I'm missing?

I'm not getting the fizz. Normally by now after a camera release I've seen some footage that has. I got the fizz when I first saw some hacked gh2 footage. In fact some of that still does it. Canon raw video. Even the BMPCC, a7s. I get more fizz from my nikon d5500 vid. It all seems a bit characterless, a bit sterile maybe (and goddamit Ive seen moire in 4k. Argh!)

I want to see if there's any moire in textile patterns or weave. Some tallent's shirts make gx85 footage unusable. On another note, andrew why are you surprised you didn't get invited. You've now established (and are outspokenly and rightly proud of) the fact that you won't be bought, glad handed or mollycoddled into praising a product you think is crap. Accept the fact you are not in the same business as photo journalists, keep your integrity and be far more useful to us lot as a result.

nikon are so cloistered I cant imagine them partnering with anyone. DJI would also make an interesting partner. I cant imagine it will be that long till DJI could buy Nikons camera division with spare change.