Emanuel

It's not a bad thread though : ) I think it has ended more a promotion of 24p as preferred frame rate delivery than its opposite! LOL : )

Concise summary of so much rumor regardless of brand when it comes to rumors.
I still look occasionally myself though… 🤪

I'm already pretty much set on Z8/Z9 as my next camera purchase but if they add open gate w anamorphic support, this platform will check every spec on my ultimate hybrid camera wishlist! 

The drone images appear because we actually had them from previous days (taken for security reasons) and we decided to give them a use. And slow motion is a narrative decision. First we oredered the voice over with several situations to represent. Then we realized that the dog was unable to stay still for even a single second. All the time playing and jumping. So it was easier to extract expressions if everything is slow. In total it took 5 hours, 180Gb in fast cards and 2 packages of sausages!

It depends on what you want to do with it.
For most people it's great.  On my MBP the external SSD tests as fast as the internal one (2500MB/s read and write), and that's over USB, not even thunderbolt.
The only challenge comes when you run out of space on the internal one and have already moved all your files onto external drives, just because various software likes to keep things in directories that you often don't get to choose, for example if you install games through something like Steam then I think they want to be on the local drive.
You can side-step some of these things, but you're getting into technical territory here of complicated command-line stuff, which is beyond most people.
One example that I was thinking of when I was writing a previous reply was the ability in unix to create a symbolic link from anywhere on the file system to anywhere else, which is incredibly useful for moving things to external drives to free up space on the local SSD for example, and doing it in such a way that the OS doesn't know and doesn't throw a fit.  When you mentioned powershell I googled it and it seems that it supports some of this stuff, which is cool - that must have come later.  Also, searching for files using grep etc was always really handy.
I used PCs all through my computer science degree, and so became aware of the various scripting capabilities of DOS and shell scripts and writing shell scripts was just always so much easier than trying to write them in DOS and having to download some new third-party utility in order to do stuff that was really straight-forward in unix.
 

Just because you don’t think it makes sense doens’t mean there aren’t already people now shooting super 8.
https://www.oldfastglass.com/super-8mm
https://www.pro8mm.com/collections/super-8-camera-rentals
https://kitsplit.com/rent/canon-1014-xl-s-super8-camera-with-zoom-6-5-65mm-f1-4-brooklyn-ny
https://www.sydneysuper8.com.au
 
Away from the major markets people are more likely to use KitSplit or similar.  The last link is a company in Sydney processing super 8 and doing a thriving business.  They can’t keep up.
 
 

I just know that at some point, maybe next year, maybe the year after, I am going to get some hipster stood next to granny with her iPad, shooting one of these things…

Funny..  when I read "Can't see why a rental house would be interested" I interpret that as saying that 'not a single rental house would be interested'.  I don't hear 'some would be interested but not enough to make it commercially viable'.
It's like saying 'I can't see why a person would be interested in marrying Jack' but meaning 'only a few dozen people would be interested in marrying Jack'.  Poor Jack - he'll be single forever unless dozens of people fall madly in love with him! 

Super 8 is very niche but still alive. Not many people want to buy an expensive camera just to have a "look" for a dream sequence or flash back scene. I can totally see a camera like this getting some rentals in shows where they can't afford to mess around with old equipment that might fail on the day.

Who the fuck is Jack and will he be buying a Kodak Super 8 camera?
Speaking of fingers on a hand, I think Ben has shot more on film and won awards than he has fingers, so I'd personally trust his understanding of the market.
Although I think it's a little pricey, I have no doubt that they'll have plenty of preorders. I would if I could justify it.
If I owned a rental house in Topeka, I'd buy 2 or 3 for when the shops in LA or NY run out of them.
Film is alive and well. 

Yeah this argument keeps coming back but there is never any evidence to support it. 
 
With technology as time progresses most things do improve. 
 
Bit depth. Resolution.
There’s an assumption that faster must be better.
But audiences continue to prefer 24
 

My son is 15 and plays a ton of video games. We watched "Gemini Man" a year or so ago on 4K UHD disc at both 60p and 24p. He thought the 60p looked like a video game, not a movie, and preferred the 24p version. I doubt he's the only young person who feels this way. My point is that saying 24p is for older folks because they are used to it is too simplistic an argument and simply not correct. 

It's not a bad thread though : ) I think it has ended more a promotion of 24p as preferred frame rate delivery than its opposite! LOL : ) Looking it from both perspectives and each arguments seems 24p is well alive! ; ) Not that we had the need for such discussion but they came so powerful on bright and nonsensical sides respectively I believe we are still more comfortable on the natural side of the thongs... oops, things! : D
 



 
 

8K 24P Test in Low Light with the Low-light Stabilization Setting used When I Move with the Camera
It appears that the low-light stabilization setting pushes up the shutter speed and ISO. You can see that in those clips (identified by whether or not I am moving with the camera) there is considerably more noise. The colors are retained and sharpness does not seem to be reduced, and the digital artifacts from low-light digital stabilization appear to be absent.
Audio is good.

Distinct applications among them film production, VFX, film transfer.

But if I would have only to buy one and carry with me? DJI Mini 4 Pro because flies too! LOL : )
On the ground to have with me all around? Osmo Pocket 3 or the new Ace Pro has also impressed me. Its 8K 24p looks like a winner there.
A camera unfortunately or not is the one we can use.
Going to a set? Ursa Mini Pro 12K, for some reason I've just purchased it :- )

Yes, I am based on similar input coming from acceptable lag on Insta360 products from their users I am also one of them, hence why I might end and actually am all enthusiastic with : ) The fact they've succeeded to launch to each most recent GoPro models seems to hint they're coming to improve their offer as far as that issue concerns. Reason why such reports like yours are priceless to go forward ; ) I can only be optimistic! :- )

Since we started using SSDs the RAM limitations were much less impactful, but WOW does OSX fall apart if you run out of SSD space!  It becomes a struggle to even use the computer to delete some files and recover, things just unravel..
I moved from PC to Mac in 2012, and at the time the experience was night and day.  Since then OSX has definitely become far less reliable.  The phrase "it just works" was definitely true, but since then that's stopped being the case - I think that started with the update that broke a bunch of people's WIFI (something to do with Airdrop I think).
I also understand that Windows has mostly sorted itself out as well, so that's true also.
I have a background in tech and at the time I knew that Windows was fiddly because I was sick of having to fix this thing or that thing, but it wasn't until I actually switched that I really understood the difference.  It was like I used to have an angry neighbour who would come and interrupt what I was doing every few days, waste my time, make me angry, and would then go away and I'd have to calm down and remember what I was meant to be doing....  and then all-of-a-sudden they moved away!  At first you don't notice it directly, but then you're like "oh wait... hang on!" and things are suddenly much nicer 🙂 
For the few things that I have wanted to do that weren't natively supported since switching to Mac, I can just bring up a command prompt and have the full power of a unix implementation, which is spectacular.  Having DOS sitting underneath Windows is a poor substitute if you want to do something that the OS doesn't provide functionality for.  It likely depends on what you want to do of course, but the combination of Apple's design simplicity (and forced workflows) and Unix underneath seems like a better experience than Windows and DOS underneath it.

IF TRUE.
This rumor is weird. Its like a wishlist by someone who saw A9III commercials, and at the same time its like the source knows the limitations of the Z9 sensor. Its like the guy is half troll half legit. 

I looked at doing this partly because I liked the idea of this tiny micro camera but also just because ☝️

I have a few back-bone modded cameras.  Usability tends to be a bit of a challenge.  When they say they have the best luck with HDMI, I believe them completely.  The cameras that I have are...
Yi 4K+ - borderline unusable.  No HDMI output, fairly high latency over wifi, minimal or no ability to punch in on internal screen.  Can be OK if you can lock focus in a spot and leave it there (like for mounting on a car).  C/CS mount w/ 1/2.3" sensor.
Hero 7 - More usable than Yi, still really hard to use.  HDMI output has insane lag.  Wifi tolerable, can punch in on internal screen in photo mode (and maybe in a limited fashion in video?  It's been a bit).  C/CS mount w/ 1/2.3" sensor
Insta360 One R 1" edition - My "gold standard" - No HDMI output available, wifi lag acceptable, double tap on internal screen to punch in makes it the easiest of the bunch to focus.  Passive Micro 4/3 mount w/ 1" sensor.

I wish the One R could do wired preview to an iPhone, but at least mine only seems to have an option for wired Android connection (maybe the One RS body improves that?  I should double-check whether I have one).  If it could do wired preview with low latency, it would be completely usable (though with poor dynamic range).

Anyway, I keep an EF adapter on my One R and occasionally mount it to the back of a telephoto lens to turn it into a super telephoto (5.7k 1" sensor + EF 100-400L = 1080mm lens - add 1.4x teleconverter for 1500mm - with some ability to crop in since the source image is already 5.7k).

So the best answers for "why do this?"
1) 1/2.3" sensor works with tiny C mount (and even some D mount) lenses.  "That bulk and weight" is less than just about any S35 camera.
2) 1" sensor = 2.7x crop vs FF, give or take - 1/2.3" sensor = 5.6x crop factor vs FF.  Want a thing that's about 1/3 the size of your other camera body and you can easily mount it to your long telephoto lens to get some extra reach?
3) It's fun.

All things considered, if the RX0 has a low-latency HDMI output, it might actually be the best option (still) for a Back-Bone camera - it has a "big" sensor and one can use focus tools on the external screen.

 

I found this video when searching for the lenses one above and just re-watched it.  It talks about how David Fincher designed the colour palette of the movie Se7en to accentuate the story-telling aspects and heighten the climax.
Spoilers for the movie Se7en from 1995, in case you haven't gotten around to seeing it yet lol.
The underlying concept is that these choices are designed to provide psychological queues to the audience and heighten the excitement.  Once again, none of this is remotely realistic, and does not aspire to realism as a goal, but does the opposite for dramatic effect.
For those who like cameras and recording video and watch YT but don't really have much awareness of how cinema and high-end TV shows are created, these things might be completely new concepts and the above videos hopefully provide a glimpse behind the curtain.
For those that think this stuff is purely for Hollywood and cinema, it's alive and well in the world of YT.  Here's a video from Natalie Lynn, and is a great example of film-making techniques applied to personal travel videography, and is very emotive in a way that an impartial camera cannot achieve.
and here's an interview and production breakdown of how it was created:
Spoilers: it includes special lighting, she bought a smoke machine, spent a ridiculous amount of time in the edit, and lots of other things.  It takes a lot of work to make things look effortless.

Here's a video that explains the basics of lens choice:
Perhaps the single biggest take-away from this video is how the cinematographer is speaking - he is talking about how he wants the audience to feel, not what is 'realistic'.  
In fact he introduces the video by saying "Hello.  I'm Tom Single and I've been a cinematographer for the past 40 years.  Today I'm going to be focusing on how film-makers achieve the desired mood as it relates to lens choices".
Think about that...  "the desired mood".
Realism isn't the goal, and it's not even relevant to the context.  It's completely besides the point for the industry that he's in.
You can take almost any aspect of film-making and when you find very experienced people talking about it, it will always be discussed in the context of the mood and perceptual associations you want to create.

The same way TV didn't kill radio, the screen didn't extinguish the stage ; ) Or vice versa?? : D Does it matter what comes next? Really? ;- ) LOL

I guess absolute freedom of speech... : ) I think Marty aka @PannySVHS is more focused towards credentials on this one 'cause a certain level of democracy typifies to weigh variables for making it fair and balanced. Ignorance cannot equal its opposite. It's all about that IMHO (EAG :- )