Emanuel

LOL Glenn... Nothing wrong to make the greenish Panasonic to look like the redish Canon. This means choices :-)

Yes, the GH5 is second.
 
For sure, the 5D files have much more malleability than 10bit VLog. You can really go to town on Magic Lantern RAW - it's a much thicker file. It's almost pristine (except for ugly shadow noise).
 
But I think that it is actually a testament to the GH5 that I can do that. And what I've presented here is only the realisation of my preferences. The point that I want to make is that the 10bit 422 files are robust enough to undergo a fair bit of colour correction / grading. To me, the VLog coming from the camera is a "raw" material with massive potential, as the (properly) RAW footage from the 5D3 is a beginning, and not an end in itself. In the main GH5 thread you mentioned that there was a range of quality in the posted videos for the GH5, from video-ish to something more satisfactory. Believe me, if Magic Lantern RAW was accessible to the same kinds of users - and in the same numbers - as the GH5, you'd see a hell of a lot of bad 5D3 ML videos.
 
Exactly. You need 12 nodes or 20 minutes work to match this with that. But when the groundwork is done, you're in business. Today I made a nice lut that combines the Canon-like colour with a Lightroom film emulation preset. I loaded this into the camera as a monitoring lut and exposed until it looked good in the viewfinder. Came back and slapped the lut on and each shot was perfect. It took as long as it does to Ctrl+C and Ctrl+V.... with maybe a small WB and curves adjustment beforehand This is the look that I'm into at the moment. In a year's time I might be into something different.










 

Big time!
 

LOL Glenn... Nothing wrong to make the greenish Panasonic to look like the redish Canon. This means choices :-)

@hyalinejim Great job with making the Panasonic reds less orange and ACTUAL red. Here is a shot where the tubes were solid red, the poker table was red, and the guy's shirt was red/black. It was looking a bit orange naturally till I added your LUT.
 

Good to hear Aaron! It's real knife edge stuff trying to spread out hues that are compressed, and to compress hues that are spread out - especially with a low contrast, low saturation profile like VLog. Sometimes an additional correction is needed on top of the lut, nudging an individual hue one way or the other. But you're right. Reds from the GH5 are almost always quite orange.
One caveat with the lut is that sometimes reds will become quite oversaturated. This works well for getting nice skintones, but if you have bright red clothing or a traffic sign it can get overblown. Pulling back on the red saturation helps in this scenario.

The fact few people if any can tell the difference lets us know all we have too.......
 
Both cameras look great and if most people here cannot tell the difference, 99.9% of the audience will not be able too either......
 
Go and create the project you've always wanted, the camera is no longer an excuse /
 

Apple phones suck way harder than apple computers... still it's a decent battle none the less. I've always used Apple, I got angry recently with how crap they are going now and thought about switching systems, used Windows again and asked myself what the hell I was thinking. Resolve 14 with MLVFS is great for my uses.
If you were Donald Trump you wouldn't know how to edit a video so which system you have would be mere semantics. 

I feel like this everytime, lol. But already created some presets and luts, so Panasonic's color science is no big issue anymore.  

LOL Funny and meaningful. But, that black sun couldn't be part of Panasonic offer :-D

You're absolutely right. Same feeling here. You know, people think they are able to mimic Hollywood straight out of the box ; )
I share Dennis' (@deezid) perspective, though, not as much skeptical as him.
My only beef with GH5 is not the pathetic plot over AF, obviously. But, its over processed outcome; POV I concur.
See:
And:
I still believe this camera is able to produce the best current offer in competent hands.

Right. No camera yet. All that comes from the videos I've seen and my own experience with other cameras and also the former models to second the thing : ) Trust me, GH5 is the best bang for the buck you can buy in May 2017 :-)

What would the point be then?
Well, seems obvious then, 4K is always welcome or no one would ever bother to request for someone hacking it, isn't it? ; )
Don, buy your mini-Varicam! (E :-)

Either way, I've downloaded your sample and still find the need to add extra blur... :-)

Agreed.
@AaronChicago, what about NR on your capture settings?
In any case, Ursa samples don't fully rule out either. A bit less, though.
As already posted before, everyone can check it out by their own, Pot player does the trick for preview: Ctrl+B. No need much effort... Try it guys, your eyes can only stay grateful : ) Aka 'the GH5 playback filter' when we don't apply our homework earlier. Kidding or keeping the topic here a bit lighthearted anyways, this stuff is not so straight out the box as we can only dream for.

:-D You know, I don't post your videos anymore here because you're around. But, you were the first one to say no to that misinformation spread by MY on YT.
I only refer tap to focus because there's no how to blame CDAF for. And it works perfectly well for the automation job :-)
Funny coincidence. Here's another one I find pretty interesting from a 20 bucks lens:
 

That's why I don't care when people praise the big boobies as the best when not the only girls in town. No Alexa will give you the mini-Varicam can.
Once again, the best camera is that one in your hands when you're able to push the trigger.
Don't impress too much on some opinions you read over here. I've read a few nonsense apparently even not from the usual suspects. They just want to justify their own choices. Dictated by their own circumstances, not yours :-)

Either way, I've downloaded your sample and still find the need to add extra blur... :-)

Filmconvert at 16mm, lowered opacity to 0.4 since sharpening is quite strong in this sample. Only used blur and grain, filmcolor and curve deactivated.

Well...we'll just have to wait for the reveal...do I sense a wager for a beer in your response???
agreed on black dot in sun by the way...it's in the first clip...in the GH5 clip (2nd if I'm right ) it's blown out because it's the sun!...whatever camera that is, the detail maintained in the shadows in that shot is interesting...ok who owes who a beer here?

worked a bit on the GH5 shot, especially highlights and rolloff which clipped into green.
Still looks too oversharpened, but apart from that quite nice actually.
 

 
This is the latest version, must say I'm actually quite impressed by the color now. :D

Yes, but it's a bit slow to import the files straight out of camera, so I use the rewrap method posted by @Orangenz
https://www.dropbox.com/s/nt2uqr5pp9xi1st/GH5 10 bit fix.pdf?dl=0
 
 

Thanks @hyalinejim
I finally think about considering the GH5 again. These don't look terrible and oversharpened and some further colorgrading and filtering leads to really nice results (with good skintones actually).
 
 

Your tiff screenshots look way better and less processed than the video uploaded in the GH5 vs. BM46k thread. Am wondering now.

I've been using 5D3 Magic Lantern RAW for a few years now and it's my personal gold standard for image quality as I'm very familiar with it, can predict the results I'll get in various situations and have developed my own look that I like using in post. I do a lot of documentary and corporate stuff and wanted to do more handheld, so I got the GH5 for its IBIS, 10bit V-Log, 4K and general ease of use. Although the GH5's colour is an improvement on its predecessors, the 5D3 is nicer looking to me. So I wanted to see if I could tweak the GH5's VLog colour to be more similar to the colour I get from Magic Lantern Cinelog-C, processed via Adobe Camera Raw (other debayering workflows will give different results).
I shot a chart with both cameras, extracted the squares and put them side by side in Resolve. V-Log on the left, ML on the right:
 

 
I used Hue v Hue and Hue v Sat to line up the signal on the vectorscope:
 

 
Here you can see the effect of this correction.This is accurately white balanced V-Log (default colour) with a curve and saturation added:
 

 
And here's the same shot with the colour correction applied:
 

 
Skin goes from green-ish to pink-ish. Reds become more saturated, blues are pulled back. Foliage separates out into varying shades of yellow to green to blue-sh green, rather than being one big block of pure green. So next, I wanted to test this by comparing the same shots to Magic Lantern RAW. Would this correction really turn my GH5 into a handheld and more usable version of my 5D3?
I stuck the GH5 on top of the 5D3. I shot the 5D3 at 3520 x 1320 (the maximum resolution I can get that's both continuous and at a sensible aspect ratio) - this has a crop factor of 1.63x. ISO was 100, and aperture at f5.6 on the Canon 24-105. The GH5 was 10 bit V-Log, Cinema 4K, ISO 400, aperture f4 (roughly equivalent) on the Leica 12-60. I used shutter speed to control exposure, so motion blur is different between shots. It seems like the GH5 has around 0.66 stops more info in the highlights at the same exposure as the 5D, so I shot it one stop over to maximise DR.
 
 
First I corrected the 5D shots to the way I wanted them to look. Then I tried to get the GH5 to match. It's not a perfect match by any means, there are individual hues that tend to go awry a little, especially in the first shot. But for me the exercise is a success: the GH5 footage looks more like Canon Magic Lantern than it would straight out of the camera. And I would be happy to intercut the two, or to use the GH5 in situations that are more suited to its features. The take home message is that V-Log has a lot of grading potential - you're not necessarily stuck with Panasonic's colours on this camera.
A nice surprise for me was how much detail is in the 3.5K 5D files compared to Cinema 4K GH5, especially when sharpened. However, it's not very practical to shoot in its high resolution modes at the moment, due to the slow refresh rate of the LCD preview.
If you want to check out the files yourself, here are a series of matched pairs of 5D DNGs, and GH5 V-Log TIFFS.
FOLDER:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B1exEpCRAfgFdi1FZ3hma09YZms
ALL FILES ZIPPED:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0BwzsbjMgrAwzTFJZby0xSTV6VmM