Andrew Reid

[quote author=ddueck link=topic=469.msg3017#msg3017 date=1332791258] [quote author=hoodlum link=topic=469.msg3014#msg3014 date=1332789464] 1080/60p halves the 24p bitrate on the NEX-7 to 14mb/s, so right there you have a big step back in quality. [/quote] I'm struggling to make sense of this. Clarification please? [/quote] Bitrate as quoted in the specs is per second. The more frames per second the more thinly spread the allocated bitrate for each second so the less each frame gets. The more compressed the frame and the less bits of data allocated to the image, the worse the image gets.

It's very low level. I really doubt firmware can adjust resolution and scaling method. It is the best Canon have allowed it to be with this hardware. If it is an artificial firmware switch which is limiting the hardware, like bitrates on the GH2 then we could be in luck. But there's more chance of finding a switch that opens a flap on the viewfinder dome and a small pistol rising out of the top.

Good point about the Contax glass / Nikon mount Mike. This is putting me off as well, some of my favourite glass is Contax Zeiss. The equivalent in Nikon AI though is not too much more expensive. Jack, regarding the hack it is important to realise exactly what the GH2 hack did. The only improvement to image quality on the hack was to the bitrate. The 5D Mark III already has high bitrates. The main problem is resolution. Out of the box the GH2 already had superb resolution and a clean image. The sensor scaling is low level hardware related not firmware. A hack doesn't yet exist for the 5D Mark III and there is no guarantee it ever will. I certainly hope so. Magic Lantern is definitely a plus point on the 5D Mark II at the moment but in terms of feature set, not image quality improvements.

Wow talk about different markets there. The GF2 and Ikonoskop! One is a bargain basement cam which punches above its weight, the other very expensive so not really a 5D Mark III alternative. I'd rather have the FS100 right now over the raw cams, much cleaner in low light and I do a lot of that. Plus the workflow is far more convenient.

[html][url="http://www.vimeo.com/39171656"]http://www.vimeo.com/39171656[/url] Today I shot this comparison between the 5D Mark III and hacked Panasonic GH2 with [url="http://www.eoshd.com/gh2-patch-vault"]EOSHD Unified Patch[/url]. The results are all in the video. Now you just need to factor in overall aesthetics to your decision, which are important. Personally I’d say that full frame sensor aside there is no reason why I like the 5D Mark III’s cinematic image more than the GH2′s. But I do need a full frame camera! It is another look, another option. [url="http://www.eoshd.com/content/7631/panasonic-gh2-vs-5d-mark-iii/"]Read full article[/url] [/html]

Nothing happens *at all*? Have you tried formatting the card? It sounds like a faulty camera, can't think of another cause.

From my limited testing so far the GH2 isn't as clean as the 5D Mark III at 12,800 but it is more detailed. What I like about the GH2 is that its high ISO noise has a very nice film-like fine grain structure to it, where on other H.264 DSLRs it is blotchy and compressed. This is a big plus as it drastically makes your image more film like having finer grain. The myth is that the GH2 is bad at high ISOs, far from it!

Not used the century optic 1.33x but I did shoot briefly with the Optex 1.33x which is similar. Not quite as good as the 1.33x LA7200 but not far off and more compact. Here's the footage: https://vimeo.com/15543342

Be sure to check out the C300 source MXF video files, for download on this page [url=http://carousel.hu/c300/?page_id=233]http://carousel.hu/c300/?page_id=233[/url] I won't be buying one at the current price though. FS100 and DSLRs lightyears better value.

A good article for the technically minded, very well written and well illustrated!

[quote author=jlev23 link=topic=456.msg2956#msg2956 date=1332687433] remember that the GH2 was not delivered to us with this higher resolution, i had the camera and it was a big disappointment, virtually unusable. until the hack came out[/quote] Just not true. It was superb for resolution out of the box. The hack just firmed it up for motion and added a finer noise grain, better gradients.

Don't think any D800E video footage is out there yet. But it would almost certainly exaggerate the mild aliasing and moire issue of the D800 not having an anti-aliasing filter over the sensor.

[quote author=AaronChicago link=topic=456.msg2912#msg2912 date=1332599805] Regarding the need to transcode for color work. I've recently discovered that Premiere CS5 and above, automatically expands footage to 4:4:4 ,32 bit float, in the timeline! No more transcoding to get latitude for finishing. Also regarding sharpening, Unsharp Mask works wonders compared to the plain ole Sharpen. This footage is looking great in my opinion though. Thanks! Aaron [/quote] This is true. No need for 5DToRGB or MPEG StreamClip, Premiere Pro CS5.5 is a superb piece of software for editing natively in. Especially 1080/60p AVCHD natively, which is still very flakey in FCPX.

Thanks jcs. However I have decided I just don't like the digital sharpening. It should be 1080p straight off the bat, otherwise it looks weird. I am finding that I either apply a little sharpening, which hardly makes it much closer to true 1080p, or I apply a lot which works for some shots but completely destroys others. 5D Mark III is teetering on the bring of eBay for me right now since D800 is looking like a worthy replacement, even with the slight moire and aliasing it appears to have.

[html][img]http://www.eoshd.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/d800-fx.jpg[/img] [url="https://vimeo.com/39035275"]Freelance BBC shooter Johnnie Behiri[/url] has had his hands all over the new Nikon DSLRs recently and has been keeping me informed about their pros and cons. The big news here is just how good the Nikon D800′s video with cutting edge Sony sensor is relative to its big brother the D4. [url="http://www.eoshd.com/content/7620/3000-nikon-d800-thrashes-flagship-6000-nikon-d4-for-video/"]Read full article[/url] [/html]

[quote author=Simco123 link=topic=455.msg2919#msg2919 date=1332613971] [quote author=jindrich link=topic=455.msg2916#msg2916 date=1332612145] On the other hand, when shooting at 1080 all the nasyness go away and resolution shown is impressive. It's not free of some artifacts, but neither is the 5D3, which still shows moire at times (see video with the guy and a Lowepro bag) [/quote] Are you sure that was a 5D3 and not a 5D2 :-\ [/quote] Simco is right jindrich that was the old 5D2 vs D800. Pretty bad moire on both of those to my eye.

I wish these guys would get a proper tripod, tests giving me a headache!  :-X I don't think aliasing is completely solved in 1080p but moire and aliasing usually worse in 720p so you could have a point Hessler.

[quote author=sandro link=topic=455.msg2909#msg2909 date=1332595091] The aliasing on the D800 is HORRIBLE. No company can make it right :S [/quote] Could those videos have been shot with the D800E with no anti-aliasing filter? Possible. Because the two above don't have the same issues and neither does the Taiwan temple video.

Yep they fixed it  ;D That is one hell of a brick wall sir. BTW if you watch it embedded it looks like the D800! (joking) I just feel it is still a shame that the resolution still feels like 720p.

[quote author=Hessler link=topic=455.msg2884#msg2884 date=1332544940] Here is another video you might wanna take a look at, this video has no moire, but I can see aliasing in the grill of a car passing by, but the image looks great: https://vimeo.com/39073054 [/quote] That is better. Issues with horizontal lines but apart from that it is beautiful.

[quote author=Hessler link=topic=455.msg2881#msg2881 date=1332540999] Andrew, have you seen this video:  [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXx9qOHXBLg#ws]Nikon D800 first Hands on Morié effect RAW clip 720p[/url] the moire is really bad here [/quote] Not sure I trust that is 1080p mode on camera. 720p on YouTube. But it is pretty bad. Far worse than any other D800 clip I've seen so far for moire.

[quote author=gene_can_sing link=topic=456.msg2888#msg2888 date=1332549271]With that said, for $3000 more, I would expect nothing less.[/quote] Yeah. Although I am trying to be positive, the situation is still poor. Trying to make a $3000 camera look as good as a $600 one. Oh dear!

[quote author=ZigFilm link=topic=454.msg2885#msg2885 date=1332545791] I think it's important to not just compare specs and features but to also compare the looks that these cameras create.  Personally, I love the look of the footage shot with the MII.  I am still thinking of adding a MIII for the low light features but I'm not in a particular hurry to pull the trigger.  The FS100 sounds like an amazing camera but the footage looks very stale and flat to me.  Very "video-y".  Yeah, I know, that's very technical of me to say...  I really want to see the MIII and the FS100 footage side by side.  I'm also worried that cutting the 5D MII footage in with the FS100 footage won't look great. [/quote] Agree with you that the aesthetics are more important than specs but I don't think the FS100 footage looks like video, it depends how it is shot and graded. Sharper footage doesn't always look less cinematic. Take a look at this for a good example of what the FS100 (and F3) is capable of... [url=http://www.vimeo.com/29106428]Reeling Back / Autumn 2011[/url]

[html][img]http://www.eoshd.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/5d-mark-iii-sharpening1.jpg[/img] Good news – Technicolor CineStyle works with the 5D Mark III already. The picture profile loads in the same way as before on previous Canon DSLRs. You will need to install the EOS Utility from the CD that came with your 5D Mark III to put CineStyle on your camera. [url="http://www.eoshd.com/content/7608/cinestyle-on-the-5d-mark-iii-and-fixing-softness-in-post/"]Read full article[/url] [/html]

The reason the F3 wasn't included was because I don't think it is unique enough. All the cameras in the article had unique differences... such as the slow mo of the FS100 and the price, the cheap cost of a 5D Mark II on eBay used relative to other full frame video cameras capable of as good an image, the cheap price and astoundingly insane res of the GH2, etc, etc. The F3 is a great camera but it basically delivers nip and tuck the same image quality as the FS100 with G-LOG profile. And I don't like the form factor... At least the C300 and Scarlet have unique selling points for their high prices... The C300's 'perfect 1080p' downscaled from a 4K CMOS, the form factor and the Scarlet's 4K and aggressive specs. The F3 like the FS100 is not completely free of artefacts like the C300 is but I doubt anyone in an audience would notice to be honest! Even on a cinema screen! That leaves us with one more notable exception in the article... the AF100. You have to REALLLLLY want the ND and HD-SDI of this camera to downgrade your sensor so much over the similarly priced FS100. I also dislike the design of it, seems a bit dated now. Don't forget the GH2 performs better than the AF100 for image quality, even on a chart!