Andrew Reid

A rather interesting thread this has been so far. Thanks Brian for the idea. I have owned the Canon 24-70mm F2.8L II and Tamron 24-70mm, to be honest there's not a lot between them aside from price. The Tamron is certainly very good indeed for the money especially on the Speed Boosters. The Canon is a tad sharper. The old Canon 24-70mm F2.8L is a LOT darker wide open than the Tamron and the newer lens, it behaves more like a F3.8 Very nice character though.

There's still some moire and aliasing there, looks similar to the Samsung NX1's post firmware update 1080p. Not as clean as A7S or D750 1080p. Colour looks snappy though and plenty of detail. Don't write off what a non-bayer pattern can do for colour. X Trans I am not sure but Foveon sensors definitely make everything else look like they have a brown piece of glass in front of the sensor. Shame hardly any OIS lenses from Fuji. Handheld it is going to be a bit naff.

Yes the image can match in terms of colour in post... A7S II just takes more expertise. The A7S II gives you almost everything on a plate but yet doesn't fully feel satisfying sometimes. I cannot quite put my finger on it. Maybe it is the way certain scenes like S-LOG exposed a certain way for best results and you really don't get a lot of help from the camera in knowing when to expose which way. It has to be spot on. Then the footage off the card looks thin, green-tinted grey and you have to work hard in post or find the right LUT... and even then sometimes after many hours I am still tinkering over the mouse and keyboard not quite fully satisfied. The standard pic profiles are C.R.A.P. S-LOG 3 can't do skies and walls. Canon LOG is far superior and the MJPEG codec at 500Mbit/s is 5x the bitrate of the A7S II's 4K codec so it feels thicker with a finer more film like noise grain, it is also 4:2:2. Colour really is outstanding on it, it seems the debayer on the Canon body has some secret recipe to reign in green, boost reds and blues. Green photosites on a bayer sensor outnumber the red and blue ones. I don't feel Sony have a handle on this yet like Canon or Fuji do, and a Foveon sensor beats a bayer sensor for colour and tonality hands-down. You really notice when you see the difference. The 1D C is certainly the better built body and feels more pro, the A7S II has a charmless feel and cheap feel to the dials and buttons. Overall I think the image on the 1D C is more cinematic and the grain is finer, with 12,800 being perfectly usable. The A7S II is a smoother more digital look. Sony's menus are complex and the camera has a busy feel sometimes on a shoot. On the 1D C there are hardly any options on the camera to think about. Shame the files are enormous on the 1D C and it has no EVF or articulated screen. Also you can't punch in for focus during a shot. Battery grip helps the A7S II, bulking up the handling whilst doubling the battery life in-between swapping cells. IBIS on the A7S II works like IS on Canon lenses, it isn't a revelation like the Olympus system but it's a nice bonus.

The Camera Store TV tested a beta firmware I think so it could change.

I'm curious to see the high ISO of the Nikon but I very much doubt either one of these cameras "slaughters" the other. Unless it's video and then the 1D X II definitely slaughters the Nikon

Neither way is wrong just do what you feel most comfortable with. It's nice to have a feel for the colours and contrast of the scene with a standard profile but I rarely switch to one if I am shooting S-LOG. And by the way the View Assist of the A6300 and A7S II solves all this by giving you standard colour and contrast whilst S-LOG is enabled.

So to recap on the all important crops... 24p = no crop Super 35mm 4K (1.5x crop vs full frame) 30p = 2.3x crop 4K 120p = 2.3x crop 1080p Looks like the Samsung NX1 has an ace card here. But I am sure the A6300 will have the dynamic range advantage... and proper LOG profile.

I don't think the G7 has a 4K HDMI output. I have one, will try it with my Oddyssey 7Q+

Glad it is working. Also what probably helped was the new forum software, updated yesterday evening.

It has it

Panasonic are forever playing catch up on specs as they can't compete on a level playing field with the smaller sensor. GH5 should start the transition to Super 35mm. Otherwise it will have to be seriously impressive to lure us away from Sony (raw, ProRes, 10bit, 120fps 4K) or to maintain any kind of uniqueness.

It's getting even harder to hang on to a camera for longer than 5 seconds before something else comes out

You make a good point, it should have a direct AF point joystick and a touch screen. Also hope the rolling shutter doesn't kill it. 20MP is a lot of lines to roll out.

Sony quote 13-15 stops for all their recent cameras so that's nothing new. I would expect it to perform similarly to the A7R II in its Super 35mm crop mode. What I like about the A6300 is more the promising new AF tracking system and the amount it packs in for a price. New low(ish) budget king!

This is going to be such a popular camera. A real bargain for $1000, you're getting the image of an FS5 with better AF system, better EVF and 4x cheaper in a MUCH smaller body. Shame no IBIS but it is only one third of the price of the A7R II! Samsung NX1 only other APS-C camera to do 4K from 6K readout.

Same back at you. KIND REGARDS

I think the crop should be calculated diagonally not just on the horizontal res. To be honest I am 1.4321 from not giving a crap. Eno why don't you go and make a XXXXXXXXing film. Haha. I hope he enjoys his 0.421x share of Nikon as much as his crop factor calculations. Eno, you can bullshit and bluff your way out of it all you like - the upshot is I will just dislike you even more as it shows you can't put your hand up and admit you made a mistake. You haven't used either camera, either.

So the guy who messes up the tech specs in his short forum post advices the guy who runs EOSHD on technical accuracy.

Maybe I am missing the Ultra HD mode on my 1D C too.

4K at 60fps is a lot of data. 5K at 24p is less than half of that.

Below, full picture is 1D X Mark II at 20MP Largest white box is entire frame of 1D C at 18MP Smallest white box is DCI 4K. It's a shame the still can't do a full pixel readout at 5.5K or 6.5K like Samsung have been able to do on the NX1. I am sure the 1D X Mark II sensor could do 5.5K if they let it! Yeah it's crazy and I really dislike this kind of 'marketing'. They may have lost a few sales here. Very hard to go back to standard picture profiles after you have spent so much time and effort on your own looks / LUTs. Canon need to re-consider this... What exactly would they cannibalise by adding just one Cinema EOS feature to their non Cinema EOS camera!? And it isn't as if the 1D X Mark II is exactly cheap.

Doesn't the mirror smash into the back of the glass?

EH? Neither have 4K UHD for a start. They only shoot DCI 4K.

Rather have MJPEG than a 3 minute time limit due to heat (cough cough Nikon)

This is superb. Thanks so much Ebrahim.