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To be clear, the specs of the camera, as understood from leaks, are fine. They're not bad and they're not doom and gloom. They're just... not great and they're mostly not too exciting. Put the spec sheet for this camera against the spec sheets for most other cameras in the same price range and reactions will generally range from "Oh, OK" to "Well, that's alright." That's the real problem. There's nothing in that spec sheet that makes people want to sell their Sony to move to Panasonic. There's nothing in that spec sheet that makes people want to sell their Canon and jump to Panasonic. There's nothing... etc Nikon ... etc.

No, he's talking about the 18-110mm F4 Power Zoom which is a very expensive item. Much more so than the "normal" F4 zoom of similar focal length. About 5x more expensive.

That's a US$3,500 lens on top of a camera that requires a bunch of add-ons to use properly. So even if it's an older model that's a US$4,500 expenditure at the very least. That's way way over my budget.

Maybe the camera itself is a lot better then the doom and gloom forums suggest, However, I just cant see the the suggested current price point being "reasonable" The market has changed, the first EOS R and Nikon Z were not feature rich, I think they wanted to protect the dlsr market. Nowadays however, why buys an dslr? Almost everybody I know shoots mirrorless, and Canon Nikon and Sony make great camera's, for competitive prices. Its like Panasonic expects people to pay a hefty premium for features that "could have been a firmware upgrade" Maybe thats a bit of a hyperbole, and that Panasonic also innovated with hardware, but my point still stands: if features like arri log, luts, shutter angle, etc, are not commonly found on other brands, then why are those still selling like hot cakes?

https://www.eoshd.com/news/full-panasonic-s1-ii-and-s1-iie-specs-leak-as-usual-all-18-pages-of-it/ Mediocre is the word... So it's just an S5 II with a faster sensor then... A mediocre slightly unergonomic mid-range body that feels and looks like it should cost £1500. A high-end price £3500 Also very high-end lens pricing No eND. No ND of any description. I also think that the lack of proprietary raw format aka Canon Raw, N-RAW, Redcode, BRAW is holding Panasonic back. Get in there with your own codec my dear. Oh, wait, they didn't buy RED so have lost that game already. I do have a soft spot for the overall feature-set though... The wide-aspect ratios in both video (2.4:1) and for stills. The dual dynamic range modes and anamorphic. Open gate and stuff. Real-time LUTs. But it's in such a badly marketed uninspired package, which is a real shame as I am passionate about Panasonic and their remaining unique features.

In the comments there are some links etc. Buuuuut, it all seems to have been translated from Chinese so there is probably a lot of room for error!

Which sites? The stuff I see on l-rumors.com basically matches up to what's been posted here - an incredibly mediocre camera which, if the price rumors are true, will not be at an extremely competitive price.

Looking at the rumours on other sites I think tomorrow might be a lot more positive than some think.

It’s all just a bit, well to be blunt, a bit fucking odd, what is going on on Planet Lumix right now.

That goes for many cameras, all of the 10bit bunch for sure. Nowadays users are obsessed with numbers but grade their footage to the shittiest outcome possible. It's really laughable. GH2 or GH4 videos look better by average than many videos by current cameras. That says a lot about these kinds of users from back then.

Its amazing that this situation doesn't change a bit with every new product announcement.

I think I fell asleep reading that. It'll be interesting to see if having the first native ISO at 100 juices the tested DR numbers a bit, but as MrSMW said, having the second native ISO as low as 800 is both weird and not what a lot of people are going to want. That seems to be dooming the camera to shitty low-light performance, either because of a ton of noise or because the camera eats the noise internally and there's no detail (and that's coming from the owner of at least one camera with a single native ISO of 800!). (Edit: Just saw MurtlandPhoto's response and 640/5000 would be a lot more appropriate/useful!) Otherwise, not a single one of those specs really stands out from a bunch of cameras that are already on the market. The fact that the 4kp120 options are only in APS-C mode or 2.4:1 is even a bit sad, given that the Z8 and R5 II can do it in 16:9 and even the ZV-E1 can do it with only a small (10%? Something like that) crop. This seems to be another entry in the "if you already have a big investment in L-mount lenses, maybe you don't have to sell them, but it's not going to bring you into the system" category.

I'm seeing folks on other forums say in VLOG it's 640/5000

Is that correct? If so, doesn’t interest me and much prefer my 640/4000 on the S5ii etc. The new camera at least has FF 60p instead of the crop and yes, I’d like that, but then again, I really like my 6k 30p OG which I have already.

or wait untill tomorrow, when its the official release.

Nevermind: https://m.weibo.cn/status/Prx4YF8NX?jumpfrom=weibocom#&gid=1&pid=8

If you have access to the white papers then share them here.

That is all well and good but if they don’t offer a better OLPF than the z6iii and still have the gall to charge 1000 euros more then they can burn. And we still don’t know the readout speeds in open gate or with their dynamic range enhancement enabled. I’m getting more and more convinced that the C80 is the one for me, ticks all the boxes, ugly behemoth of a body with a consumer hating RF-mount nothwitstanding. 6k, decent OLPF, internal raw and a proven 9,5ms readout in all oversampled modes.

If its Z6iii's sensor, why they use these weird crop modes?

So here is the deal: 15-stop dynamic range V-LOG (dynamic range enhancement mode on) 14+ stops dynamic range V-LOG (dynamic range enhancement mode off) 24M new sensor Full frame 6K30p OG, 5.9K60p 17:9, 5.1K60p 3:2, 4.8K60p 4:3, 4K120p 16:9/17:9, FHD240p APS-C 3.3K 120p 4:3, 4K120p 16:9/17:9, FHD240p S&Q 6K 60fps, 4K 17:9 75fps, 4K 2.4:1 120fps, FHD 240fpsFF 120Hz 5.76 million dot EVF 779-point phase focus Dual native ISO100/800 Five-axis image stabilization with 8 stops in the center and 7 stops in the periphery 1/8000s mechanical shutter 70fps continuous shooting with electronic shutter, 10fps mechanical shutter

The leaked price (if correct) might reflect tariffs and that uncertainty, in which case other manufacturers might raise prices on both new announcements and existing products. Value comparisons this year might not be as useful as usual.

Well, other than 32-bit audio, Fuji. And often at a much lower price. And honestly a lot of people, me included, have no reason to give a shit whether the camera captures 32-bit audio. Most of my shoots are on sets with separate sound being captured and we sync by timecode so other than hopefully not sounding awful for viewing dailies, the sound captured by the camera is mostly ornamental. I should also add that most of those audio engineers, despite having 32-bit capable recorders, just record 24-bit anyway because "the files get too big" (which usually gets a sad laugh from me, looking at my camera recording 6k or 8k raw). In short, I don't need my camera to become a better sound recorder. If I were doing more run and gun interview sort of stuff, then maybe. Plus, as far as I can remember, 32-bit audio requires an extra device sold for $500. At that point, it's not all that meaningfully different than the cheaper and similar-sized Zoom F3 ($300) which I could just mount on any camera, record secondary 32-bit audio, and feed a clean signal from it into the camera's mic/line in to record at 24-bit in-camera. Then I would have perfectly decent audio in the camera and if something clipped in such a way that I wanted 32-bit, I could just pull the SD card from the F3. Anyway. Keep in mind that if we're talking about a $3,800 camera like the S1R II, it's also in competition with cameras like the (cheaper) Komodo which does open gate (though with a 17:9 sensor, but it can also crop down if you want anamorphic), allows baking in a LUT, can record ProRes, has nearly every monitoring tool (including the surprisingly useful traffic light monitoring system). And a $3,800, the S1R II is really not that far off from the Ronin 4D ($5,000), Canon C80 ($5,500), and Sony FX6 ($6,000). It's a great and capable camera - and I've seen at least one filmmaker who bought it to pair with his R4D (as I expected since the sensors are identical or close to it) as a much more portable travel camera, but Panasonic really either need to focus on the value for money segment (S9 being a good example) or offer cameras with truly compelling features that others don't have in the same range (internal ND, etc). Otherwise, not only isn't there a compelling reason to pick them up, there's also less time spent educating people on why you're not using Sony.

This is exactly the camera Panasonic should be producing.

Everyone else have not been standing still, unlike Panasonic. So at the time, which was a long time ago (when I advised Panasonic to incorporate great AF) had they done so they would have attracted a lot of Canon users especially, and others would have been tempted too. But unfortunately for Panasonic, too much time has passed and stuff like the Z8 and EOS R5 II exist. FX3 does have shutter angle, if that floats your boat. I am still very welcoming of the Panasonic exclusives... except most of them aren't exclusive any more. Open Gate especially has been adopted by quite a few other cameras, including some that can be had for under $2k. LUT system is on the Sony a6700, ProRes is on a Fuji, and 32 bit audio is such a niche feature barely anyone is going to prioritise that above the latest sensor design and speeds. I would like to see the hard data, the numbers

I'm also not a big fan of the new design BUT I remember not long ago a trend that said "If Lumix incorporates good AF with all these great features it's game over for everyone else". Maybe people now want their camera to make some coffee or give them a nice massage. I don't care about the sensor origin, if it's stacked or BSI or whatever. If it does the job for me I'm good. I can't see any other manufacturer giving so many features (Open Gate, DR Boost, 32 bit audio, LUT system, ProRes, waveforms, false color etc etc) in such price point and I will have no problem jumping ship if another company offers me a better package. But it's 2025 and the glorious Sony cameras don't even have shutter angle at 4500€+ price point... Regarding sales, I see more and more professionals in my field switching to Lumix cameras after the S5II/Χ release, before that it was a Sony monopoly.