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OK, the new Canon looks good, despite the spec not yet fully known and I suspect the Nikon ZR will also be competitive so Lumix, over to you, - how is that S1H coming along because the time to pop it out would be immediately after the other kids do otherwise you risk all the newly found brand hoppers, hopping in their direction?

IBIS for me was a total game changer, and it's crazy that no one has been able to come close to Lumix in this department.

Full-frame DGO on the C50 is technically possible, but the thermal load from dual-gain readout at 32MP + 6K open gate would be extreme in a compact FX3 style body. On top of that, the production cost would skyrocket.. a FF DGO sensor could easily be 10–15× more expensive than an S35 DGO sensor, not counting the extra cooling, processor, and CFexpress requirements. That’s why I think Canon will likely stick to triple ISO + oversampled 6K and skip DGO.

Indeed! If it isn't a DGO sensor, I'm not too certain that I have a reason to care about this camera much. It's not to say it'd be bad, just that it wouldn't do much that's better/different from cameras I already own - and 3:2 recording isn't a big selling point for me. I'm not sure that DGO needs that much more bandwidth, though. The C70 could do it from 4K all the way back in 2020. Surely, we've come far enough in 5 years that it could now be done on a smaller body with 3-4x the data rate! 😉 Anyway, I'm hopeful.

CF Express makes sense considering the C50 is expected to do 6K oversampled open gate. That's significantly more readout data than the C80s 6K 16:9/17:9 crop. Also the stills side of C50 could benefit from CF express for RAW burst rate etc. I wouldn't get my hopes up too high. FF 6K open gate DGO would require massive bandwidth. I just don't see that happening on a lower-end C50 in such form factor. Much more likely to have Triple ISO as that's not a bandwidth multiplier. I guess we'll know in 24 hours!

I'm on the other side - if they put a 6K DGO sensor in that body, it's almost definitely for me. I'd be so pumped to have DGO in such a small body - not to mention dedicated timecode so I don't kill my ears before I remember to mute the audio track that has the scratchy timecode sound. The biggest questions would be what existing gear I'd be selling in order to finance the purchase and whether I'd be waiting for used models to become available. 😅

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If this is really how it'll look, I'm loving what I'm seeing, but prob not for me unless I sell one of my R5Cs for it. Looks like an R50V is my best bet - but I'll likely wait till the usual people run their tests and reviews before I bite the bullet.

I'm looking at the two pictures, and they look like different cameras, whether they are from the same video or not. Clearly they are different adapters due to the word "Viltrox" being in different places. Both could be PL-L adapters, but they aren't the same one.

As I commented above, that is the RF cinema line mount system. Its on C70/C80/C400 so not at all a Super35 exclusive. It's there to reinforce the mount for heavy cine glass weight and modularity/repair. What it does indicate to me is that IBIS is highly unlikely. That type of screw down rigidity doesn't have floating sensors in mind. Could be wrong but that's my feeling.

Occam Razor here. My 2c. That guy has an S1R and that video is about ND filters. he made a mess using different cameras and blurring by mistake his S1R too.

Ergonomics look good. CF Express is nice and a welcome surprise, given that the rumors are for 6K resolution and the C80 which is also 6K only has dual SD card slots. That was my first thought, but the C80 also has them so there must be more Canon adapters that can be screwed in? Or maybe this one is high-end APS-C? I'd be very OK with that.

Looking at those 4 screws... Aren't the same on C70, for the Canon 0,71 speedbooster? (Hence super 35mm) Or a RF-PL Mount adapter? (FF)

That will appeal to a lot of people. Yes, of course, there will be the “not for me” crowd but realistically that looks - absence of specs notwithstanding! - pretty decent for most. I like the number of physical buttons and the way it will presumably slot into a stills/video ecosystem makes it an impressive little beast. I wonder how many will be prepared to switch into the Canon garden of goodies. At least until the rumoured Nikon enters the fray.

Its not about selling more, it is about installing Nikon as a viable video/cinema brand to every potential buyers from the Nikon z30 to the Z9. The message will be, here you have a camera that for 3-4000 USD, uses the same tech as the V-Raptor, that was used in the 200 millions latest Superman and Tron Hollywood blockbusters. For this reason, they can't make a toy of a camera. They have to show a good to great camera, to showcase their new status and ambition. With an FX3 style body and price range, it is perfect for the Nikon users who are not used to buy 7000 to 30 000 USD cameras. A 3 to 4 000 camera, is still within the means of many Nikon professionals, that can add it to expand their market to video, or even some RED users, that want a second body, or a director that uses rented Raptors for features, but could buy this for personal use and scouting etc. I expect them to come out with a future FX6 style camera as the next Komodo and mirror the Sony lineup, which has become very very successful.

It has been rumored some months ago that Nikon is working on a new Log format. It seems the RED guy who is doing most of this, like the new view assist and the RED luts for Nikon LOG. My guess is that we will get at least a version of Redraw and their log format, as the name of the camera itself makes reference to RED in the R.

Nope, it is the same, as it was from the same leak. It has been discused a lot in the Canon C50 thread. At first they thought it was perhaps the C50, then it shifted to the Zr or perhaps DJI full frame camera. Because it was using a PL to L mount adapter. No Canon or Nikon would use a Lmount adapter.

For a fraction of a happy second I thought thats SDI. Nope, we're not there yet.

I think such a compact form factor would benefit greatly from IBIS to eliminate micro jitters on handheld shots, but gimbal shooters probably don’t want it to mitigate wobble effect on wide lenses. Not a deal breaker for me personally but I’d be disappointed if they omit it. Sony shill tubers will have a field day pointing that out as a miss if that’s the case.

Time to revive that 18-135mm usm with power zoom add on. With that thickness and lots of vent this one wont be overheating at all, Lumix really need to take a cue on it

Yes, I would prefer no ibis for a multitude of reasons. The C50 is such a chubby FX3 epigone that it has to outclass it in order to not be torn apart by all the shilltubers. Open gate is more or less confirmed, but what sensor and what read out speed and what dynamic range we will see is still unclear. But nice that they put a CFexpress card inside, the rumors were talking about 2x SD.

You mean you don't want IBIS? I have a feeling its going to be absent. That zoom rocker is interesting too. Wonder if that will allow digital zoom a la Sony clear image zoom.

I really hope they don't ruin it with IBIS. And seeing that they use the LP-E6p, battery life will probably be ok, but not great.

Its looking pretty good, very cool they kept the lock screw mount from the rest of the C line. Guess we know for sure it does stills. Looking more & more like a R5C II in a FX type body. Lots of vents: front, side & rear.. Now all we need is the specs!

Looks nice, no ND though. I hope it will have ibis and great battery life.