New cinema camera...?

[Emanuel]

One of our favourites ones among us over here... LOL oh boy : D

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[kye]

OK, now I get it.  There's this one, the PRO, and then the ILS which has interchangeable lenses.

I'm waiting to see what that one is like.  I love me some lenses!

[maxJ4380]

yer me too, also still wondering about the pricing here in aus 

[kye]

2 hours ago, maxJ4380 said:

yer me too, also still wondering about the pricing here in aus 

I'd imagine it'll be somewhere between exorbitant, ridiculous, and "this is just an action camera - WTF".

[eatstoomuchjam]

The $700 price tag in the US is already there!

[maxJ4380]

15 hours ago, eatstoomuchjam said:

The $700 price tag in the US is already there!

yer where you are... 

by the time it gets to here and converted to aussie $ then  add a gst on top and whatever other hidden taxes there are and its not going to be $700 

supposably there's a free trade agreement between you people and us... the reality is i suspect theres nothing free about trade.

[kye]

The "Australia Tax" is definitely real.

It's getting less now thanks to how easy it is to buy direct online from overseas, but if you buy locally you pay a significant premium to the local importer who has exclusive rights to set pricing and sell those goods.  I've known people who needed to buy something significant for their work, so rather than buying it locally, they took the family on a weeks holiday to Singapore (or the US) and bought the thing there and brought it back in their luggage...  and even including all the costs of the family holiday etc it was still cheaper!

I also remember someone from tech company needing to download a huge database from overseas and with internet speeds at the time they ended up flying there, burning it to a bunch of discs, then flying home again, and if you divided the total amount of data over the entire duration of the trip it was still dozens of times faster, and might even have been cost competitive on the data rates too.

[eatstoomuchjam]

6 hours ago, maxJ4380 said:

yer where you are... 

by the time it gets to here and converted to aussie $ then  add a gst on top and whatever other hidden taxes there are and its not going to be $700 

supposably there's a free trade agreement between you people and us... the reality is i suspect theres nothing free about trade.

I worded my response badly!

I meant that the $700 US price tag was "already there" in terms of 'exorbitant, ridiculous, and "this is just an action camera - WTF"' which Kye had just said in anticipation of the AU pricing.

I should have chosen phrasing that made it more clear that I wasn't simply repeating US pricing that is already known.  😅

[maxJ4380]

On 5/30/2026 at 5:54 PM, kye said:

The "Australia Tax" is definitely real.

It's getting less now thanks to how easy it is to buy direct online from overseas, but if you buy locally you pay a significant premium to the local importer who has exclusive rights to set pricing and sell those goods.  I've known people who needed to buy something significant for their work, so rather than buying it locally, they took the family on a weeks holiday to Singapore (or the US) and bought the thing there and brought it back in their luggage...  and even including all the costs of the family holiday etc it was still cheaper!

 

It was better when you could buy stuff under $1000 and pay not additional taxes. Gerry Harvey complained to the government he was losing too many sales. Thats when the ten % gst got applied to everything and the government had a win and Gerry Harvey could suddenly afford a few more race horses as well.

For awhile those overseas ebay buys were a bargain as the middleman got cut out out the deal. However i suspect the manufacturers or sellers have upped the base price regardless of middlemen or not and the savings aren't as spectacular as they once were.

On 5/30/2026 at 11:02 PM, eatstoomuchjam said:

I worded my response badly!

I meant that the $700 US price tag was "already there" in terms of 'exorbitant, ridiculous, and "this is just an action camera - WTF"' which Kye had just said in anticipation of the AU pricing.

I should have chosen phrasing that made it more clear that I wasn't simply repeating US pricing that is already known.  😅

Ah ok, i read that as a reasonable (price) opposite of what you meant lol, although not sure what gopros have normally sold for over there. I think i paid $500-600 for the 9 when it came out. Confident i looked around for the best "local" deal. 

Playing devils advocate momentarily and to be honest i have no interest in the other models, a new chip, decent capacity battery it seems, and ability to mount mft lenses and that 1080 at 960fps even at 10 seconds is impressive, i think i would be happy to pay $700 even through its a jump over earlier gopros but it wont be $700 here, I'm expecting $1000-$1300 

er i just googled mission 1 in aus. Seems like there here, except the ils gopro and its $1100  which might come as a bit of a shock to some of you  🙂

 

[eatstoomuchjam]

2 hours ago, maxJ4380 said:

Playing devils advocate momentarily and to be honest i have no interest in the other models, a new chip, decent capacity battery it seems, and ability to mount mft lenses and that 1080 at 960fps even at 10 seconds is impressive, i think i would be happy to pay $700 even through its a jump over earlier gopros but it wont be $700 here, I'm expecting $1000-$1300 

It's not just the ILS model that is $700 - it's the Mission 1 Pro as well.  Currently the Hero 13 normally sells for about $430 and they are often on sale for $350.  The Insta360 Ace 2 and DJI Osmo Action 5 are in generally the same price range.  At least for traditional action camera use cases, it's a relatively hard sell to say that Mission 1 Pro is worth almost twice the price.

For the ILS, Back-Bone haven't exactly been lighting the world on fire with sales.  I think that there will be a first wave of adopters who quickly dislike the limitations of a 1" sensor with a passive MFT mount.  I'm excited for it, but not at $700.  Maybe a year or so after it's released, the price will drop.  It's a lot more interesting at the price of the current Hero 13.

[maxJ4380]

 

1 hour ago, eatstoomuchjam said:

It's not just the ILS model that is $700 - it's the Mission 1 Pro as well.  Currently the Hero 13 normally sells for about $430 and they are often on sale for $350.  The Insta360 Ace 2 and DJI Osmo Action 5 are in generally the same price range.  At least for traditional action camera use cases, it's a relatively hard sell to say that Mission 1 Pro is worth almost twice the price.

For the ILS, Back-Bone haven't exactly been lighting the world on fire with sales.  I think that there will be a first wave of adopters who quickly dislike the limitations of a 1" sensor with a passive MFT mount.  I'm excited for it, but not at $700.  Maybe a year or so after it's released, the price will drop.  It's a lot more interesting at the price of the current Hero 13.

Thats probably good thinking 🙂 

when i did a quick google check on the mission 1 and variants the older model from the major store outlets are selling for less than $500 trying to clear old stock no doubt. Which makes me think what price could they actually sell a camera for ?

I did look into the backbone at the time, however the crop put me off as i remember it being like a 5 times crop ( i could be wrong about that) rather than the  2.7 crop from the mission1 compared to a crop of 2x from a normal mft mount. My oly 12mm would become like 32mm, my 24mm sirui would become almost 65mm which is certainly something to think about. The 17mm takumar i play with a bit would become 50mm. Not sure how to get a wide angle look on a mission 1 and a mft mount ? So far i think i have to find a lens around 6mm - not more than 9mm.  

Haven't seen any footage yet, but i suspect a speed booster should work either 0.64 or 0.70 to get you back close to a 2x crop or is my thinking flawed as i'm curious about that ? Of course this is all still theoretical as the mission1 ils is not yet available. 

What limitations are you expecting with a 1 inch sensor and passive mount, the lack of auto focus ?

 

 

[eatstoomuchjam]

1 hour ago, maxJ4380 said:

I did look into the backbone at the time, however the crop put me off as i remember it being like a 5 times crop ( i could be wrong about that) rather than the  2.7 crop from the mission1 compared to a crop of 2x from a normal mft mount.

That depends on which back-bone modded camera you get.  Their modded Sony RX0 has a 1" sensor, passive MFT mount, and the exact same crop factor as the Mission 1 (if I remember right).   My modded Insta360 One RS also has a 1" sensor and a passive MFT mount.  It suffers from lack of any option for wired monitoring - so one either needs to focus on the tiny action camera screen or over wireless which can get laggy at the most inconvenient times.  It's pretty great, though, for setting up to record with fixed focus (I shot the eclipse with it, for example).  The GoPro has at least some option for wired monitoring so that'll be nice.

1 hour ago, maxJ4380 said:

Haven't seen any footage yet, but i suspect a speed booster should work either 0.64 or 0.70 to get you back close to a 2x crop or is my thinking flawed as i'm curious about that ? Of course this is all still theoretical as the mission1 ils is not yet available. 

It's possible, even, that one of the older 0.58x boosters made for the OG BMPCC would work (if you could find one).  My Metabones 0.64x and 0.71x boosters work fine with the Insta360.  Though it's sometimes more fun to use it with a 1.4x or 2x teleconverter.  With a 1.4x, the Canon 100-400 becomes a 140-560 with an equivalent view of about 380-1500mm.  That can be pretty fun in nature.

1 hour ago, maxJ4380 said:

What limitations are you expecting with a 1 inch sensor and passive mount, the lack of auto focus ?

I don't need to anticipate it.  I've lived it and I know the limitations don't bother me too much.

But mainly, the ergonomics of an action camera are poorly-suited to trying to hold the camera and manually focus.  Mission 1 seems to be a little bigger than some others and it has a small protruded grip on the right side which could help a bit.  But otherwise, one ends up with the right hand curved into a weird claw, trying to hold the camera steady while the left hand turns the focus ring.  If the focus ring is stiff, it can look pretty funny.  Mounting a handle to the camera can help and it feels a little more like carrying around an 8mm or 16mm film camera.

Passive MFT mount means that indeed, autofocus won't work.  It also means that aperture won't work on a majority of Panasonic/Olympus lenses - and in some cases, manual focus won't work on them since they're focus-by-wire.  Removing Pany/Oly doesn't leave a ton of lenses that are optimized for M43.  Veydra mini-primes were nice (and still are, can't remember who bought the Veydra brand)...  There are some nice Voigtlanders that are MIcro 4/3 designs.  But a lot of the other third-party makers just take their S35 or FF lenses, jam on a M43 mount, and call it good.

For me, I'm much more interested in it as a platform to mount my C-mount and some D-mount lenses.  Like I have a 13mm f/1.9 Yvar which could be fun - or a positively tiny 15mm f/2.8 Yvar.

But like I said, I think a lot of people are going to find that a 1" sensor with a passive MFT mount sounds like fun, but will balk once they start using it and realizing, for example, that they actually need a monitor to effectively focus it.