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A bit of Christmas fun - mini shootout and name the camera!


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[quote author=Andrew Reid - EOSHD link=topic=98.msg931#msg931 date=1324954461]
[quote author=Geil link=topic=98.msg927#msg927 date=1324940216]
5D
GH2
J1
HX9
A65

Feels like a Mastermind game
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Good answers ;)
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This was purely a conclusion based on the 3 clues you gave :D 
Still gots lots to learn but got me a GH2 few weeks ago with the Adorama sale.  Looking forward to hacking my GH2 soonish when I know to appreciate it as well as waiting for my 25mm order.
BTW Nice website and great resource, may pick up your book soon and
Merry Xmas & Happy New Year
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[quote author=aabenbareren link=topic=98.msg937#msg937 date=1324973850]
1)5D
2)GH2 
3)Nikon
4)HXV9
5)A65


P.S. A minor correction: The sensor of the A65 is NOT the same as in NEX 5N.
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OOps ... got to the ball a little late, I see :)
Well, my answer was purely deducted from Andrew's cues anyway ... my guesses would have been VERY different otherwise ... which only goes to demonstrate the importance of this site :)
Happy New Year all!
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Well the HX9V that I have is definitely not that sharp compared to my 7d. Or is it? I've been using them together on the same shoots and occasionally used the material out of the HX9 but I've always enjoyed my 7d way more. The hx9 looks oversharpened and with a limited dynamic range. Here though it looks the best after GH2. Odd. Gonna have to run some tests now.
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[quote author=hmcindie link=topic=98.msg942#msg942 date=1324992927]
Well the HX9V that I have is definitely not that sharp compared to my 7d. Or is it? I've been using them together on the same shoots and occasionally used the material out of the HX9 but I've always enjoyed my 7d way more. The hx9 looks oversharpened and with a limited dynamic range. Here though it looks the best after GH2. Odd. Gonna have to run some tests now.
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that the dynamic range is worse there's no doubt since it's a smaller sensor, but that it resolves more resolution is real
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[quote author=sandro link=topic=98.msg943#msg943 date=1324997502]
that the dynamic range is worse there's no doubt since it's a smaller sensor, but that it resolves more resolution is real
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You are confusion sharpening with resolution. Sorry about the different FOV:s. Also the hx9v at f3.3 has extremely deep dof. :

Hx9v (no settings to adjust, you can see a lot of sharpening halos):
[url=http://hmcindie.pp.fi/hx9v/Sony_hx9v_1.jpg]http://hmcindie.pp.fi/hx9v/Sony_hx9v_1.jpg[/url]

Canon 7d (sharpened, iso 1250 at f6)
[url=http://hmcindie.pp.fi/hx9v/Canon_7d_iso_1250_sharpened.jpg]http://hmcindie.pp.fi/hx9v/Canon_7d_iso_1250_sharpened.jpg[/url]

Canon 7d (no sharpening)
[url=http://hmcindie.pp.fi/hx9v/Canon_7d_iso_1250_no_sharpening.jpg]http://hmcindie.pp.fi/hx9v/Canon_7d_iso_1250_no_sharpening.jpg[/url]


Sony hx9v also has horrible compression. Very bad. 1080p50 here in pal-land. It breaks up even in moderate movement with macroblocks everywhere. Movement doesn't even have to be that high. The 7d actually holds up pretty ok with fast motion. I can only guess what a hacked gh2 looks like. Have one on order but enjoying my 7d in the meantime.

The macroblocking and shots of detailed areas that are in motion always go into a mush because of the compression on the hx9v. Huge oversharpening artefacts.

I shot a lot of acrobatic movements with the Canon 7d and when I used the hx9v...it just looked all around worse. Though one absolutely amazing thing with the HX9v is that it's always in my pocket :)
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hmcindie - Don't agree really. The HX9 resolves more real resolution than the 7D, over sharp or not. I am surprised it also downscales a 16MP sensor better than the image processor in the NEX 5N. Purposeful crippling Sony?

Compression at 50p 28Mbit will be much worse than in 25p mode at 24Mbit which is how I use the HX9. There is no better compact for video at the moment, with possible exception of new Canon S100 with DIGIC 5 (haven't tried it yet).

Indeed NEX 5N has a different sensor to A65, but same image processor and essentially a very similar looking image - I have both at the moment, hardly anything to choose between the two in a test like this, although the NEX 5N doesn't have the crop of the full sensor like the A65 does, that doesn't make a difference to 1080p detail, resolution, cleanness or dynamic range.
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[quote author=Andrew Reid - EOSHD link=topic=98.msg946#msg946 date=1325004547]
Compression at 50p 28Mbit will be much worse than in 25p mode at 24Mbit which is how I use the HX9. There is no better compact for video at the moment, with possible exception of new Canon S100 with DIGIC 5 (haven't tried it yet).
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We are talking about this one?

[url=http://www.whatdigitalcamera.com/equipment/reviews/compactcameras/129187/1/sony-cybershot-dsc-hx9.html]http://www.whatdigitalcamera.com/equipment/reviews/compactcameras/129187/1/sony-cybershot-dsc-hx9.html[/url]

There is NO 25p mode on that camera, unless you use the very low bitrate mp4 mode. So what's wrong here?

Yes, there is no better compact for video yet, but the video is undeniably worse than a canon 7d. We did this short competition vid:

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mg6jlRLA2Tg#ws][ G&G Your Greatest Glory 2011 Video Contest ] - Top Gun Boys[/url]

And some shots there are from the HX9v and the compression really brings those shots down. Trees and leaves completely destroy the image.The funny thing is that other cameras with the same specs (AVCHD 28mbps for 50p) don't compress nearly as bad. Intentional cripling apparently. And the huge amounts of sharpening are very apparent and fugly. Especially in good light.

Though... It can provide great shots if you work around the limitations as all cameras can. I got some great wide-angle (love the 24mm equiv) driving shots on a mount from it. Auto exposure seriously limits it though.
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