JulioD
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$1000 expensive for an uncompressed recorder?
Go away.
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1 hour ago, PannySVHS said:
I suggest to stop replying in this toxic thread so it can fuck off into oblivion. All good reasons not to engage with troll behaviour. To put it with the words of Mattias Burling: "Fly off" to the shores of other forums to be a pain in the tush there. We have had enough of this. Yikes. Good thing that Roger Deakins does not witness this nasty conduct and brutal rudeness and hostility. Actually Mattias didnt exactely say "fly" off.
I've also decided to opt out. The problem with these engineering technical I read it on the internet types and have an opinion clowns is that they are demonstrably wrong.
Even when you point it out to them they seem to ignore that and move onto their next tightly held narrow idea.
They post opinions as fact and only demonstrate what they do not know or understand. I've stopped bothering to point out their misinformation. I think the rest of the posters here understand where they are off on their own.
Even in the last two pages they've made some really stupid claims without understanding filmmaking fundamentals. They won't even know what I'm alluding to, but it shows that they have only a little understanding of the technology. Just like one thought Titanic was shot HFR. Why bother if they don't want to truly learn or understand.
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Some tough love.
They will always suck. There is no such thing as a good one. The way they work is by degrading your image. The sooner you accept it the better.
I long ago went to straight or internal ND. Do I occasionally use VND? Yeah. But I can count on one hand the number of times in a year.
I suspect you need to hear this because you wrote a post about it. Not everyone will agree but throw away the crutch and never look back
- kye and zerocool22
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You made snide comments saying Jackson Pollock was using the same techniques as children.
Your comment says the value of art from an recognised established visual artist is the same as the output of children. Your test is that they would be the same, a variation of the Turing test.
That says to me you can’t see the difference in Pollocks work vs a child.
Here’s some science.
Children CAN tell the difference. Why would I argue with someone who doesn’t see the difference and nuance when 4 year olds can. The problem is you.
“Three unexpected findings emerged. First, even 4-7-year-olds can distinguish works by artists from superficially similar works by children and animals when there are no labels to guide them. Second, children’s aesthetic responses are not aligned with those of adults: children often chose works labeled child or animal whether or not this label was correct, and sometimes justified their choices by crediting the effort the child or animal had made (e.g., “it’s really good for an elephant”).
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15248372.2015.1014488?journalCode=hjcd20
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I think it’s pointless arguing about something that you don’t seem to grasp while ignoring other rebuttals.
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1 minute ago, Jedi Master said:
Exactly. Interface a computer to some paint nozzles and point them at a canvas and how would you tell the difference between what the computer produces and a Jackson Pollock painting?
Copying. Emulation. It’s reproducing a well known and celebrated source.
It won’t be the next Jackson Pollock though. It can only fake something that already exists.
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3 minutes ago, Jedi Master said:
Of these three, only science has consistently and correctly made sense of the world.
I think you missed the point.
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21 minutes ago, JulioD said:
Humour. AI can tell a joke but it doesn’t get a joke.
innuendo.
It can’t tell if what’s made is “ good” either. There’s no self criticism. Just patterns and predictions based on data.
Humans are storytellers. It’s not just the story telling, it’s the way we tell the story that’s just as important. Performance.
Religion. Science. Art. It’s all storytelling and making sense of the world.
These giant models of data are t without issues being so inward looking leading to more and more generic results. It’s called model collapse.
“This means that the models begin to lose information about the less common -- but still important -- aspects of the data. As generations of AI models progress, models start producing increasingly similar and less diverse outputs.“
“Model collapse is based on the principle that generative models are replicating patterns that they have already seen, and there is only so much information that can be pulled from those patterns.”
This type of AI is never better than it’s data.
I have no doubt AI will become an important tool. Buts a tool driven by human data and prompts.
And forgot to add this link
”Indeed, the value of data collected about genuine human interactions with systems will be increasingly valuable in the presence of content generated by LLMs in data crawled from the Internet.”
https://arxiv.org/pdf/2305.17493.pdf
Genuine human interactions are what will be “valuable”
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Humour. AI can tell a joke but it doesn’t get a joke.
innuendo.
It can’t tell if what’s made is “ good” either. There’s no self criticism. Just patterns and predictions based on data.
Humans are storytellers. It’s not just the story telling, it’s the way we tell the story that’s just as important. Performance.
Religion. Science. Art. It’s all storytelling and making sense of the world.
These giant models of data are t without issues being so inward looking leading to more and more generic results. It’s called model collapse.
“This means that the models begin to lose information about the less common -- but still important -- aspects of the data. As generations of AI models progress, models start producing increasingly similar and less diverse outputs.“
“Model collapse is based on the principle that generative models are replicating patterns that they have already seen, and there is only so much information that can be pulled from those patterns.”
This type of AI is never better than it’s data.
I have no doubt AI will become an important tool. Buts a tool driven by human data and prompts.
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Last time I checked there is no ability to innovate. To leap forward. To get a joke. To understand innuendo.
AI or computers can only be as good as their programming.
They can write a Haiku because it has rules and logic.
But they can’t invent “The Haiku”.
They are only as good as the person prompting them based on what’s already been invented.
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14 hours ago, KnightsFan said:
Do you believe that humans have a non-physical and/or magical ability to innovate using information outside of that which we learned? Human thoughts are also mashups of our experiences. We start with nothing and gradually take in information during our lifetime.
Of course no art is created in isolation. It’s always affected by what came before and what others are doing.
AI though is inherently introverted. It can ONLY be based on what’s gone before.
It inherently can only copy or emulate as mashup. And even then it can only do so through the right prompting.
In traditional painting apprenticeships the students would copy the works of masters.
Then they make new works.
AI can’t do that. It can only copy paste and mash up.
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If you’ve ever dealt with Panavision then you know they only do their own Anamorphic optics. Meaning they don’t have other brands that aren’t Panavision made. Certainly not In the US.
https://www.panavision.com/camera-and-optics/optics#!optics=anamorphic
Dan Sasaki is the head of optics at Panavision. He’s the guy who designs the lenses. You can go to him and ask for a custom design.
A lot of lenses like the new Panaspeeds can also be custom tuned to your taste. I worked with someone who had a set that had purple / pink flares, worked like a superspeed above T2.8 and had a built in diffusion. Thats not stock, that’s an optics recipe that you can ask and test for.
And when you work with Panavision you know that they also make a lot of one-off custom lenses typically to order for a customer.
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Sure AI will have data.
But it’s inherently backward looking. It’s not going to be an innovator. Just at best, mash ups of existing auteur.
You have to prompt it with whose work you want to plagerise and it’s really good at copying that.
It can’t innovate new. All it can do is regurgitate old.
Before you had Kubrick how would you tell it to emulate a Kubrick sensibility….
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Exactly the type of user this was made for
https://www.instagram.com/p/C0mhRzoOIYt/?igshid=MzY1NDJmNzMyNQ==
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I think it is similar to what happened with the digital revolution.
Filmmaking used to be expensive. It acted as a kind of gate keeper to the unwashed masses who wanted t make movies and was a kind of filtering of the kinds of films that could get made.
Digital technologies dramatically lowered the cost of entry. Now anyone can make a movie. Not only that but anyone can DISTRIBUTE that movie too, you’re not relying on old school distribution any more.
All that happened over the last 20 years and what has it added up to?
I’d say a lot more garbage / noise films that no one watches on YouTube.
The digital revolution means anyone can now make a movie. It doens’t mean “anyone” can actually make a movie worth watching.
AI will be the same. Just because you CAN make a film with AI doesn’t mean you SHOULD make a film.
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6 hours ago, Jedi Master said:
No. The theater we saw it in showed it in 48 FPS, not 24 FPS.
I have never played a video game on a computer, so perhaps that influences what I like with respect to movie frame rates.
And as I’m sure you know,
Projecting material at 48fps that was acquired at 24FPS doesn’t realllllly make it HFR either even if this is the case.
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Yeah this argument keeps coming back but there is never any evidence to support it.
With technology as time progresses most things do improve.
Bit depth. Resolution.
There’s an assumption that faster must be better.
But audiences continue to prefer 24
- Andrew Reid, solovetski, kye and 2 others
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14 minutes ago, mercer said:
Who the fuck is Jack and will he be buying a Kodak Super 8 camera?
Speaking of fingers on a hand, I think Ben has shot more on film and won awards than he has fingers, so I'd personally trust his understanding of the market.
Although I think it's a little pricey, I have no doubt that they'll have plenty of preorders. I would if I could justify it.
If I owned a rental house in Topeka, I'd buy 2 or 3 for when the shops in LA or NY run out of them.
Film is alive and well.
Exactly. The video split alone appeals to the renter customer who are the ones who NEED to shoot 1200 rolls and then move to the next job (as described above)
Those aren’t owner operators.
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30 minutes ago, IronFilm said:
These fall into the categories of:
1) people hiring out old cameras (which they picked up cheap, or have been in their inventory for donkey years. The marginal cost to keep an item in your rental inventory vs acquiring it in the first place is very different maths)
2) private individuals renting out stuff, which is not a rental house
3) a primarily stills camera store which has a sideline in other related stuff, certainly not what we'd regard as "a rental house" in a conventional filmmaking sense
My point stands, if anything, this has strengthened my point with your examples given.
Extremely niche, a few individuals.
You'll be able to count on your fingers (probably won't even need your second hand!) how many dedicated camera rental houses in the film industry will worldwide be picking up this Kodak S8 camera to add to their rental inventory
You don’t get it.
Here i thought you were industry.
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2 minutes ago, Jedi Master said:
I believe it's just legacy, and the studio's desire to use the minimum feasible frame rate to save money on film.
Gaming has been here for decades. Younger audiences are used to and have seen a lot of HFR.
Several very top shelf filmmakers have TRIED. Digital means there’s no cost difference to shoot HFR.
It failed every time.
It’s not just legacy.
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8 minutes ago, IronFilm said:
How many commercials or higher budget music videos will want to shoot on Super 8mm??
And of those very few which want the Super 8mm look, how many will want the awkward workflow of actual film vs shooting on an ARRI then degrading it down in post? (or some other similar-ish approach, such as shooting with an OG BMPCC or Digital Bolex or Magic Lantern)
Just because you don’t think it makes sense doens’t mean there aren’t already people now shooting super 8.
https://www.oldfastglass.com/super-8mm
https://www.pro8mm.com/collections/super-8-camera-rentals
https://kitsplit.com/rent/canon-1014-xl-s-super8-camera-with-zoom-6-5-65mm-f1-4-brooklyn-ny
https://www.sydneysuper8.com.au
Away from the major markets people are more likely to use KitSplit or similar. The last link is a company in Sydney processing super 8 and doing a thriving business. They can’t keep up.
24p is outdated
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