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At this point, in an uncertain future video-centric model, I don't see how they can put in other video features while leaving the camera body unchanged since this one even though it has the fan seems to be capped. 
Maybe they really need to scale up to a box type camera
 

This is just it. As of today, the new LUMIX is ‘the latest thing’ but tomorrow it won’t be. Not necessarily literally tomorrow, but probably within weeks as I believe the Sony A7V is up next and it will inevitably garner more adoration than the Panny.
The influencers lurch like lemmings from one thing to another, but there will be a core of loyalists.
I don’t remain loyal to any brand for loyalty sake but rather because they offer a combination of the best/least compromised tools that do the job I need them to do combined with the financial cost.
It is arguable that the new Panny is not quite ‘flagship worthy’ in terms of build and I agree. It’s pretty good, but IMO, compared with what existed before within the brand and what else is out there, it’s not quite what I expected, but maybe has to be at this level for financial reasons?
Thinking about it further, it’s more like a larger sensor evolution of the S5ii so really it’s an S5iiiR but I guess using S5iii so soon would suggest the S5ii is outdated and it is far from that.
Spec-wise, it’s not far off what I expected. Personally, I would have preferred full-frame 6k 60p open gate. And stopped there. Make that fantastic and willfully ignore 8k even if the sensor can do it. At least with this model.
And then the sensor. I wonder if they could not use the 61mp sensor or whether they could and this was a deliberate choice, but it’s an odd one of so to go from 47mp to 44mp after what, 6/7 years and call that progress.
And yes, I am aware, more pixels is not the be all and end all but personally, for my own photography needs, I did want want more and 44mp is borderline for how I work and want to work. 60 or more is where I want/need to be and I know all the blah blah blah “on social media posts it’s irrelevant” etc but that comment is irrelevant to me because I wish to be able to produce work up to a standard set by myself, not opinion.
So as a value proposition, is it good value? And is the brand dying?
I think brand new, it’s not the best value option out there unless it suits your specific needs and you are already heavily invested in the L Mount system.
I think its value will be used in 6-12+ months time. Especially 12+ months time.
Would I buy one new?
Yes, if I did not already own an A7RV and have all the glass I want for that.
Do I think it’s as good owning S5ii and A7RV?
No.
Is the brand dying?
Probably. A slow but inevitable silent death.
The products are not crap. They are highly competitive and these last few days, the influencers are all over them but the simple reality of business is you have to be relevant 365 days a year, not for 'your week in the sun' once every few years. It is not enough.
L Mount is a niche player.
To be a successful niche player, you have to have something different and stand out for that, not by being ‘good enough’. Because it is not enough.
If there is to be any kind of S1H successor, it will be received as the original was and every subsequent LUMIX camera has been, - news for a few days.
Within L Mount, Leica exist because they play their design, build and heritage card.
Sigma exist because they play their slightly crazy Japanese card.
LUMIX play their slightly dull but worthy card.
And that I think is the root of their issue and will be their undoing.
You can fly out all the influencers you want (and you should), but the product HAS to be more exciting.
Because if it is not, someone else WILL eat your lunch. Breakfast and dinner.

Great post man, my vote to stick it! :- ) 
At times, I even think to myself that a disclaimer urges to pop up to avoid armchair opinion makers out there...

From the reviews seen so far there is everything and nothing.
GU tested it in "lab mode" and slaughtered it. He was smart to report the bugs to Pana who fixed them for him via fw updates.
Other youtubers reported problems found by GU but they didn't get the updates and didn't even know they existed. So people who look at their reviews think it all sucks. For example, some say AF is not up to par. If you look at Richard Wong's review the AF is perfect and aligned with Sony. He has fw 1.0. he is the only one who tested extensively on animals and cars and there are some smart features.
Other youtubers have tried it on real projects or real use cases and there is very little criticism and they speak very highly of it.
Moving the camera left and right like crazy and screaming that the RS is terrible or claiming on paper that having only 12 stops without DR is like swearing in church, seems like bullshit to me. The beloved 5DMKII ML had 9 stops of DR and yet everyone was wetting their pants.
In short, lab is one thing and reality is another.
BTW the same youtubers who now blast the S1RII are the ones who would hate an S1R that we like a lot.

At this point, in an uncertain future video-centric model, I don't see how they can put in other video features while leaving the camera body unchanged since this one even though it has the fan seems to be capped. 
Maybe they really need to scale up to a box type camera
 

At this point, in an uncertain future video-centric model, I don't see how they can put in other video features while leaving the camera body unchanged since this one even though it has the fan seems to be capped. 
Maybe they really need to scale up to a box type camera
 

From the reviews seen so far there is everything and nothing.
GU tested it in "lab mode" and slaughtered it. He was smart to report the bugs to Pana who fixed them for him via fw updates.
Other youtubers reported problems found by GU but they didn't get the updates and didn't even know they existed. So people who look at their reviews think it all sucks. For example, some say AF is not up to par. If you look at Richard Wong's review the AF is perfect and aligned with Sony. He has fw 1.0. he is the only one who tested extensively on animals and cars and there are some smart features.
Other youtubers have tried it on real projects or real use cases and there is very little criticism and they speak very highly of it.
Moving the camera left and right like crazy and screaming that the RS is terrible or claiming on paper that having only 12 stops without DR is like swearing in church, seems like bullshit to me. The beloved 5DMKII ML had 9 stops of DR and yet everyone was wetting their pants.
In short, lab is one thing and reality is another.
BTW the same youtubers who now blast the S1RII are the ones who would hate an S1R that we like a lot.

I think people are being a lot more pessimistic than they need to be about this release and Lumix's future in general. As much as I am loathe to admit it, YouTubers are a big part of marketing these days and tons of them either went on the trip to Norway or were sent a camera to review, including prominent Sony, Canon, and Nikon shooters. Virtually all of them made positive videos about it. That's a move in the right direction, as far as marketing goes.
The real professionals who did use the camera, including in real professional settings, were all extremely positive and compared it favorably to the competition while marveling at the price.
It's a high resolution stills camera with excellent video features. A total 180 from what the original S1R was.
Given what folks are saying and anecdotal evidence available, they seem to have things coming down the pipeline. They could be better at conveying that to us for sure, but there are enough hints out there. See: the new monitoring app. 
As someone that was very doom and gloom about Lumix for a while there and who still sometimes scratches his head about decisions they make, these are all positive steps.
It's almost March. There are 9 months left in the year. Lets see what happens.

Lumix releases a camera without EVF, hot shoe and mech shutter for 1.5K = "crippled".
Sigma releases a camera with the above shortages plus the lack of IBIS, SD, etc for 2K = "innovative".
A real example of it's not what you sell, it's how you sell it.

 

They need to watch this on YouTube next time.

Can be a good test for CIA recruitment. Look at the chart for only 8 seconds and close your eyes and anwser the question "in which modes 60p 4:2:2 is available?". 

From the reviews seen so far there is everything and nothing.
GU tested it in "lab mode" and slaughtered it. He was smart to report the bugs to Pana who fixed them for him via fw updates.
Other youtubers reported problems found by GU but they didn't get the updates and didn't even know they existed. So people who look at their reviews think it all sucks. For example, some say AF is not up to par. If you look at Richard Wong's review the AF is perfect and aligned with Sony. He has fw 1.0. he is the only one who tested extensively on animals and cars and there are some smart features.
Other youtubers have tried it on real projects or real use cases and there is very little criticism and they speak very highly of it.
Moving the camera left and right like crazy and screaming that the RS is terrible or claiming on paper that having only 12 stops without DR is like swearing in church, seems like bullshit to me. The beloved 5DMKII ML had 9 stops of DR and yet everyone was wetting their pants.
In short, lab is one thing and reality is another.
BTW the same youtubers who now blast the S1RII are the ones who would hate an S1R that we like a lot.

From the reviews seen so far there is everything and nothing.
GU tested it in "lab mode" and slaughtered it. He was smart to report the bugs to Pana who fixed them for him via fw updates.
Other youtubers reported problems found by GU but they didn't get the updates and didn't even know they existed. So people who look at their reviews think it all sucks. For example, some say AF is not up to par. If you look at Richard Wong's review the AF is perfect and aligned with Sony. He has fw 1.0. he is the only one who tested extensively on animals and cars and there are some smart features.
Other youtubers have tried it on real projects or real use cases and there is very little criticism and they speak very highly of it.
Moving the camera left and right like crazy and screaming that the RS is terrible or claiming on paper that having only 12 stops without DR is like swearing in church, seems like bullshit to me. The beloved 5DMKII ML had 9 stops of DR and yet everyone was wetting their pants.
In short, lab is one thing and reality is another.
BTW the same youtubers who now blast the S1RII are the ones who would hate an S1R that we like a lot.

From the reviews seen so far there is everything and nothing.
GU tested it in "lab mode" and slaughtered it. He was smart to report the bugs to Pana who fixed them for him via fw updates.
Other youtubers reported problems found by GU but they didn't get the updates and didn't even know they existed. So people who look at their reviews think it all sucks. For example, some say AF is not up to par. If you look at Richard Wong's review the AF is perfect and aligned with Sony. He has fw 1.0. he is the only one who tested extensively on animals and cars and there are some smart features.
Other youtubers have tried it on real projects or real use cases and there is very little criticism and they speak very highly of it.
Moving the camera left and right like crazy and screaming that the RS is terrible or claiming on paper that having only 12 stops without DR is like swearing in church, seems like bullshit to me. The beloved 5DMKII ML had 9 stops of DR and yet everyone was wetting their pants.
In short, lab is one thing and reality is another.
BTW the same youtubers who now blast the S1RII are the ones who would hate an S1R that we like a lot.

The review I linked above has a lot of comparisons with S5II, A7CR and for IBIS even Z6III

D'oh!  I meant S5.  Thanks for the correction.  😅
For sure - make.art.now is a big Ronin 4D user which makes sense for his day job of extremely high-end real-estate videos and the occasional TV interview.  I'd keep in mind, though, that this interview which was full of glowing praise for the Ronin 4D was sponsored by DJI themselves.  I'm guessing that the camera's use in the film was organic, but as soon as DJI caught wind of it, they offered to throw a pile of money at the DP and Gibson to have them say just how well it worked.
Though their experience is, from the 4 shoots where I've used the camera now, very true to my own - a well-thought out camera with good ergonomics (provided you have some way to mitigate the weight!) that comes out of the bag and starts making really nice footage immediately - and one of the only gimbal setups where "I'm swapping lenses" doesn't lead to tears and screams of anguish from the rest of the cast/crew.
(Sorry for the topic drift, I just really like mine and I'm not fortunate enough to have DJI paying me a bucket of money to say it)

Indeed. S5iiR would be more logical than S1Rii as it's far closer to an S5ii than the S1R, but hey ho.

From the reviews seen so far there is everything and nothing.
GU tested it in "lab mode" and slaughtered it. He was smart to report the bugs to Pana who fixed them for him via fw updates.
Other youtubers reported problems found by GU but they didn't get the updates and didn't even know they existed. So people who look at their reviews think it all sucks. For example, some say AF is not up to par. If you look at Richard Wong's review the AF is perfect and aligned with Sony. He has fw 1.0. he is the only one who tested extensively on animals and cars and there are some smart features.
Other youtubers have tried it on real projects or real use cases and there is very little criticism and they speak very highly of it.
Moving the camera left and right like crazy and screaming that the RS is terrible or claiming on paper that having only 12 stops without DR is like swearing in church, seems like bullshit to me. The beloved 5DMKII ML had 9 stops of DR and yet everyone was wetting their pants.
In short, lab is one thing and reality is another.
BTW the same youtubers who now blast the S1RII are the ones who would hate an S1R that we like a lot.

From the reviews seen so far there is everything and nothing.
GU tested it in "lab mode" and slaughtered it. He was smart to report the bugs to Pana who fixed them for him via fw updates.
Other youtubers reported problems found by GU but they didn't get the updates and didn't even know they existed. So people who look at their reviews think it all sucks. For example, some say AF is not up to par. If you look at Richard Wong's review the AF is perfect and aligned with Sony. He has fw 1.0. he is the only one who tested extensively on animals and cars and there are some smart features.
Other youtubers have tried it on real projects or real use cases and there is very little criticism and they speak very highly of it.
Moving the camera left and right like crazy and screaming that the RS is terrible or claiming on paper that having only 12 stops without DR is like swearing in church, seems like bullshit to me. The beloved 5DMKII ML had 9 stops of DR and yet everyone was wetting their pants.
In short, lab is one thing and reality is another.
BTW the same youtubers who now blast the S1RII are the ones who would hate an S1R that we like a lot.

IMHO Best overall review so far, very long but you can jump the desired chapter:
 
 

Which is pretty much what every LUMIX user wanted, not 8k.
Even if it’s 8k capable, IMO they should have launched it with up to 6k spec and left everything 8k for the future firmware upgrade.
Except they botched yet another release.
With the S9, it was that stupid f8 lens.
I think 8k at this time is a similar scenario because you want folks talking about what it CAN do.
LUMIX has a problem with the number 8.

Personally, I don't care about RS anyway so it's a non issue for my way of filming.

But some things feel rushed in a way that they made it more complex it needed to be. For example, you can use our dual native ISO but if you want DR Boost you now have new base ISO settings. It feels counter intuitive to calculate small things like that while shooting for a gig. In a way it reminds me of the GH6 when it came out, in which you had to film in 2000 ISO when using with DR Boost on. Then a year later the G9II comes out and its like "dude just set your ISO level and I will boost the DR for you no matter what".

And what's with the 120fps tops? Even my old S1 can shoot 180fps in FHD (crappy image but still).

However, they finally have no crop up to 4K60, the moire issues of the past are non-existent and the beefy colour rendering (subjective) coming out of the image is more than welcome. I like the fact that they stuffed in every little thing they could, with not much left to be desired.

I don't know/care if it's going to make Sony or Canon shooters swap, for me it's a safe upgrade path from the original S1 series.

As I predicted, its CPU must be ancient. But maybe the number of masked AF pixels is lower than Sony/Nikon so line skipping reduces the phase data to the point that is practically useless. 

Some comments reported that on the line skipped 4K@120p  AF is DFD only

About sensors...I guess that some brands could develop, or financially pay the development, of some Sony sensors, splitting the costs between the brand and Sony Semiconductor by alowing the sensor (or some variation based on the same "foundation") to be sold to some brands after some time.

This was VERY evident with the Sony APS-C 26mp sensor. Sony kept the old 24mp sensor with that horrible rolling shutter for ages in their A6xxx line, and Fujifilm had a 26mp much faster sensor made by Sony. After some years...presto, Sony used a Bayer version with some updates in their A6700 and FX30.

The stacked Nikon Z9/Z9 sensor probably is the same case - developed or codeveloped by Nikon, be exclusive for some time, could be available down the line (and maybe Panasonic is waiting for it for a stacked sensor version of this new camera).

Maybe even the "mysterious" supplier of the 25mp m4/3 sensor of the G9 II / GH7 is Sony too - but Panasonic have an exclusivity clause for it for some time, and that's why OM had to go to the stacked 20mp sensor (and, in reverse, this 20mp stacked is exclusive to OM for some time).