MrSMW

Because 50% of my work is photography and as a photo camera, it is ‘average’ at best. The FX30 is designed to be a mini ‘cine’ camera, either with or without a bit of rigging out such as a cage and side or top handle plus monitor. The S5ii is a better hybrid and arguably better video camera. IMO.

Yes I saw that yesterday. Difficult to judge with YouTube compression but it looked to me that the Zf footage was a little warmer, the Z8 a little more neutral but magenta and the Zf not as detailed in UHD but equal to and maybe a tiny bit more in 4k? The Zf less noisy also. I have yet to fully explore the video capabilities of the Zf but all the evidence so far points to it being excellent and a strong competitor for the Lumix S5ii having the same size (actual?) sensor and crop in 4k 50/60p. Still waiting for my Tamron 70-180 to arrive which will determine whether I need the Z9, or whether the Z8 will do (mainly a handling POV) or even whether I could get away with it on my Zf… Regarding the latter, well of course I could, but I don’t want to get into another ‘handling issue compromise’ like I have had all year, albeit with a good handling rig, but just too heavy, ie weight alone is not the only factor. Decisions, decisions, decisions… Footage-wise though, liking what I am seeing from all the Zeds.

Completely disagree. But based on my definitions of size/weight/bulk etc. To put it into perspective, my main camera this year has been an S1H + battery grip + Leica 24-90mm f2.8-4. This rig weighs just over 2.8kg…which is one of the reasons I am reluctantly trading it for something lighter for 2024. My dream rig is the Canon R3 + 24-105mm f2.8 weighing in at 2.35kg, so still a bit of a beast, but around 1/2kg lighter, faster constant aperture, bigger zoom range at the more important (to me) long end, integrated grip, non-extending lens…but costs 8k+, so unfortunately I cannot justify it. Then there is the Fuji X-S20 with Tamron 17-70mm f2.8 offering the same equivalent focal length as my dream rig above, but costing 1/4 of the price and weighing in at under 1kg. I would call it ridiculously compact, lightweight and capable and with maybe 90%+ of the real world capability of either of the ‘pro’ combos above. I shot the XT3 professionally for 2 years and it was and still is a fantastic camera. The ONLY thing it lacked for me was IBIS. The X-S20 is arguably a more capable camera than the XT3, has IBIS and is even smaller. No-brainer to me. The S5ii is not much bigger or that much more capable, though it is in both senses, but the issue for me is then lenses because the equivalent is the f4 24-105 and so yes, the combo is bigger, heavier and out of budget, so I could not recommend it in this instance.

Ditto all of the ☝️ Some folks read too many YouTube comments or even opinions from certain channels that are often based on diddly squat. Never had banding or AF issues with my S5ii. For video, it’s a f**king excellent piece of kit and way above most folks needs or skills. And for the price, silly value.

The Tamron 17-70mm f2.8 is a better lens than the Sony 18-105mm f4. IMO. The former can be had for either Fuji X Mount or Sony but the latter Sony only. Obviously. That Sony lens will be OK outdoors in good light, but otherwise… Depends on your needs but if Panny is out of the running and that budget is fixed…

The positions seem to have changed when I clicked the link myself, but hey ho, I'm sure you will work it out!

I had a play on Camera Size: https://camerasize.com/compact/#887.1042,908.1081,895.955,901.879,907.901,ha,t From left to right, we have: OM-1 + 12-40 (24-80) f2.8 as a M4/3 contender. It is both larger and heavier than the... Fuji X-S20 which is one of the 2 APSC players here, but with the pretty tiny Sigma 18-50 (27-75) f2.8...but please note, the next camera along, the FX30 has the Tamron 17-70 (26-105) f2.8 I was recommending...and did not attach it here to the X-S20, because it was not an option. Next up is the FX30 which is no smaller really than the full-frame S5ii and arguably not as a capable. The S5ii I stuck the 24-70 f2.8 on it because the smaller and lighter Sigma 28-70 f2.8 (my pick) was not an option (though is in the real world). And just for reference, I stuck on the end a 'pro' camera, the Nikon Z8 with 24-70 f2.8 IMO, for your money and needs, I'd struggle to see past the Fuji with the Tamron lens which is not only the most compact of these set ups, but offers the greatest focal range and I believe ticks all your boxes. Without having to make any compromises. I would quite happily shoot Fuji X professionally for all my video and stills needs and did for many years.

Rather than NOT waiting for that next gen is what I meant ☝️

I feel the same. The tools I have at my disposal now are on a completely different level. Today it is about what I can financially justify rather than using what is available but waiting for that next gen. I can’t think of a single ‘next gen’ thing I want or need and that is partly because I know it already exists for my needs.

Is it Jack, or is it Jake? Let's get our facts straight here.

Sounds too good to be true. That would otherwise be ridiculous value...but it doesn't ring true just based on price. IBIS has more axis of stabilisation than lens OIS, but yes, you don't need lens stab if you have it in the body...though if both have it and they play nicely together, better still. Stabilisation is a whole topic on it's own though as in what do you want it to be? Locked off almost tripod like? Fuji is good at this. Wave it around like a gimbal? Olympus or latest Nikon very good. But back on price, you could get an OG S5 within the budget, but not a S5ii with a lens.

I just know that at some point, maybe next year, maybe the year after, I am going to get some hipster stood next to granny with her iPad, shooting one of these things…

Concise summary of so much rumor regardless of brand when it comes to rumors. I still look occasionally myself though… 🤪

I looked at doing this partly because I liked the idea of this tiny micro camera but also just because ☝️

27-83mm vs 26-105mm at a constant aperture of f2.8, but at the expense of OIS…but you get IBIS with the X-S20, so IMO yes, both the body and lens are better. Forget the UK prices folks. Since Brexit, us EU people have to pay import duty. I can’t find an S5ii under 1850 euros and for the kind of focal range the OP wants, it’s 500+ for a lens with the 20-60 being a fine lens, though a bit slow and too short. The 24-105 f4 is good, great even, but the size & weight of the package is now creeping up as is the cost…and if it’s non-pro work, how inclined are you going to be to lug something around unless it’s fairly compact? I think APSC is your sweet spot here and it’s that Fuji + the Tamron 17-70 😜

27-83mm vs 26-105mm at a constant aperture of f2.8, but at the expense of OIS…but you get IBIS with the X-S20, so IMO yes, both the body and lens are better. Forget the UK prices folks. Since Brexit, us EU people have to pay import duty. I can’t find an S5ii under 1850 euros and for the kind of focal range the OP wants, it’s 500+ for a lens with the 20-60 being a fine lens, though a bit slow and too short. The 24-105 f4 is good, great even, but the size & weight of the package is now creeping up as is the cost…and if it’s non-pro work, how inclined are you going to be to lug something around unless it’s fairly compact? I think APSC is your sweet spot here and it’s that Fuji + the Tamron 17-70 😜

Then back to this then: Fuji X-S20 used Excellent condition (MBP) plus new Tamron 17-70mm f2.8 (28-105 equivalent) At least, it would be my pick at this budget.

It's true, I looked myself! So you either need to: Go grey import, or, Up your budget by +500 euros, or, Buy something else!

A VERY strong contender for me and could have been an outright winner for me, except for one thing, and that is I am taking the MarkusPix 'one and done' approach and including a lens. There isn't a single lens in the L Mount line up that swings it for me. If I had to pick just one, it would be the Sigma 28-70mm f2.8 to pair it with, but then at 24mp, too short for my needs. But purely as a camera body, for stills and video, I'd choose it over anything and everything else.

TDimension are another of these Hong Kong/China based companies aren’t they? I have used a few before such as Digital Rev back when I used to live in the UK 7+ years ago, but avoid now. When it works, it’s fine and you get a great deal, but if you wish to do a return or have a warranty issue, good luck with that. This is where it goes wrong for folks and all the 1 star ratings come in. You pay less, but you roll the dice using them. I would not. You might. Better the used market with someone like MBP.

As someone that shoots hybrid 50:50, sadly I would have to say a polite no to my dream stills camera, the Hasselblad X2D, plus as someone who doesn’t exclusively shoot video/movies, I don’t have to choose the FX3. But for pure stills, easy pick for me is the Hassie. Not even the GFX100ii gets a look in with the X2D on the table. So for my pro hybrid needs, Canon R3 with the new 24-105mm f2.8 is the sweet spot for me. The Nikon Z9 with the Tamron 35-150mm f2/2.8 is arguably a better option and I am a Nikon guy than a Canon fangirl, but if you put them side by side and said, “walk away with one now”, I’d pick the Canon rig. ’Equivalent’ ‘tiny’ non-pro rig, OM-1 with 12-40mm f2.8 🫡

Better this than being the old lady front and centre capturing everything with her iPad.

Which is why I did not suggest the S5ii myself…though I could have sold you that exact combo a couple of weeks back within your 2k euros budget but unless time travel has become a thing…??!! 🤪 Not much difference between 4/3rds and APSC and as you said you didn’t mind a 1” sensor… You could always buy the OM-1 with that lens from MBP eu, try it out and if it’s not for you, send it back. Unless you actually need longer than ‘80mm’ but otherwise kicks your camcorders arse for; usability, build, image quality, stabilization etc. It would be my pick at 2k euros or the X-S20 + Tamron combo of you need that extra 25mm.

OM-1 with 12-40mm f2.8 can also be had within budget.

Fuji X-S20 used Excellent condition (MBP) plus new Tamron 17-70mm f2.8 (28-105 equivalent) comes in on budget and spec?