Video Hummus

This right here is why Panasonic needs to get their AF act together or they will go the way of the Dodo.

So many inconsistency in the overheating both on the R5 and A7SIII.

Potato Jet did a test with 4K All-I 200Mbps it recorded for 40 mins straight in a ambient temp room. He then put it in a 104 degree mini oven and it recorded for another 13 mins straight after that.

I don’t get all the negativity. This is a very sensible camera from Sony as long as it doesn’t overheat and ruin a real world shoot. Everybody wanted a FF 4K60p 10-bit camera. We have it now. With excellent AF, ALL-I, log, no pixel binning in sight (!) and hopefully no overheating in practical terms. Sure, the flip screen is low resolution and rubbish. The menus are straight out of kindergarden classroom. And its only 12MP. Who cares. It’s about the sausage in the end. I hate to say it but Sony is probably going to be the company to give us that internal eND in a mirrorless body someday.

I think both camps are the same. Either you do pre-work to get the organic image (vintage lens, diffusion filters, etc...) or you do post-work in the NLE. I guess the only difference is one is derived physically and the other is fake digital de-enhancement 🙂. So what makes an image “organic” and what can you do in the pre-work that you can’t achieve in the post-work?

I think they are using all the capabilities they can out of the current sensor in the S1H. In my mind though the biggest problem is AF performance. Now with Sony and Canon with 4K cameras with unbelievable AF performance in all modes, Panasonic has been thrown on the ropes again. The Canon R5/6 aren’t really competitors in terms of use (they suck for what the S1H is good at), but they are competitors in the mind share game and Panasonic falls short here. With the AF tech in the A7SIII and Canon R5/6 being so good its hard to justify overlooking them for a S1H. From what we know of the A7SIII, its most peoples dream video mirrorless camera. Why would you buy a S1H over it? S1H does have twice the MP at 24MP and 5.9K but you give up the more useful AF. AF is going to be more of useful feature than 5.9K or 24MP stills imho,

Sony knocked it out of the park in my opinion. It seems to be the best 4K mirrorless camera you can buy. Did they not give us something we didn’t want in a sony camera? 4K120p, 10-bit 4:2:2, ALL-I options, Slog-2 and 3, you almost don’t have to worry about ISO performance, amazing autofocus in all modes even 120p, touch to track AF, face detect, dual SD and CFExpress Type A options, 16-bit RAW output from full sized HDMI (no shitty micro port), overheating doesn’t seem to be a problem for real world use (hopefully!). I know I said Canon knocked it out of the park with R5/6 but it turned out to be a kiddy pool. So I’ll be cautiously optimistic. The only real downside of this camera is the 12MP stills which kinda sucks for me when I want a FF camera that can kinda do it all. I’ll hold out on final judgment until Gerald reviews the hell out of this thing but Damn, E-mount it is for me.

This just goes to show, a $50K Mac Pro can’t playback footage a $800 iPad Pro can, how important hardware acceleration is when dealing with H265. You have to have hardware decoder to work with this footage without pulling your hair out. I suspect apples GPU has H265 10-bit 420 and 422 built in. Why don’t all the others? I’m actually really excited for Apple Silicon. Maybe finally we will get a thin and light laptop that is easy to travel with but can chew through 8K RAW and H265 footage without a sweat. Because they want you to pay $10K+ for it,

I would wait for Gerald’s testing. So many times there are tiny gotchas. He’ll suss them out.

Even if Sony is 50% of what they are stating its still better than R5. 8K from the R5 is practically, for many many people, unusable.

Snark aside, Yes it’s great. As long as it can record in other modes without shitting the bed then it’s good.

You can look at it another way. At least something in 2020 is normal.

Does ProRes RAW support more than 12-bits? All of that sounds really good. Especially S-Log 3 at 10-bit 4:2:2 at such low ISO.

Like Andrew pointed out many times. I find it hilarious Samsung had basically the R5 in 2014 and they exited the market. Are the camera companies that far behind, the margins that tight, they can’t move their tech forward? It’s going at a snails fucking pace. All it would take is for them to invest once to get their chips on the latest and smallest manufacturing nodes...embrace heat pipes and *shocking* clever heat sinks. It is a fucking conspiracy. Those people are delusional. One guy is mad because Gerald used the words “More bad news for the R5”. He’s an idiot. Tons of people with their head in the sand. It doesn’t help that people like Armando are releasing straight up misinformation about the capabilities of the camera and doing their best to downplay the overheating issues. Canon went all in marketing this as a hybrid video beast. Armando and others using it in a shooting setting more suited for EOS cinema cameras. The Sony A7SIII is going to spank this thing with the mere ability to record video after shooting 50 stills in an hour. LOL

I think the opening for the class action is that in the overheating chart they don’t mention anything about using the camera taking pictures would affect video recording by times. We don’t find the video recording and temperature limits shocking. Canon disclosed of them in that chart. What is shocking is that using it has a stills camera, even just mildly, will affect the video recording. That is not disclosed in that chart and goes against the expected behavior of the product and almost every other competing product in its class.

So looks like they did something different on the front. Tally light? A new ToF sensor? Left side looks like what is on the A7Riv (below). New white thing on the right.

It could be excusable for the R5. It’s a pro photo camera, 45MP, 8K, oversampling 4K, 4K120p. It’s beefy features in a small camera. It’s 8K! 4 times the information of 4K. Ok, it overheats. It takes processing power to a down sample the 8K to 4K. We get it. Now the R6... I think that thing has been crippled. 5K oversampled everything. Overheats, and worse doesn’t have a mode that doesn’t. It’s not like that hasn’t been done before. No excuses. A7III does 6K -> 4K24p with much more tolerable overheating limits. S1 can do it. Z6. GH5 does it with a sensor half the size but in a smaller body. R6 can probably be fixed in firmware because it’s designed to sell more R5s. It’s no wonder the narrative around the release was so tightly controlled while preorders were made. I guarantee Gerald Undone has been context by Canon and sent another camera because it must have been a lemon or one of those pre-production-but-not-pre-production-body-sample-bodies or whatever bullshit that Canon Ambassador was pulling.

Maybe Panasonic would be willing to trade the S1H “fan technology” for DPAF. Fair trade!

GH5 5.5K To 4K oversample in a smaller body, with IBIS mechanism, no external fans, unlimited recording workhorse. S1 the same. Z6 the same. Canon fucked up. Canon EOS R, mirrorless redef...overheated! shutting down. Its also possible this is all an imposed limitation. Just like their stupid missing 24p the technology wasn’t there bullshit. People go bananas and a firmware comes out and we get our 24p.

Not to mention he made an earlier video mocking all the people that were concerned about the overheating problem and down playing it say it’s being overblown... Then he goes on to make a Cinematic camera test that is half the length of his normal videos and shows BTS of using a leaf blower...yeah...lost respect for this dude.

Or it could be the yellow prototype markings on the camera. You can see one in the first photo I posted. Very highly likely this is A7SIII footage...

Does the A7III have a tally light? Here are some screen grabs in the video. There appears to be a tally light in the second photo.

All I want is the perfect camera. Oh, I agree. We need a in depth documentary about this for us camera nerds. Investigative reporting. There has to be some camera manufacture cabal somewhere deep in the bowels of a Japanese tea shop where they discuss how to make sure none of their cameras step on each other’s toes and always make sure there isn’t a complete picture (pun intended).

Wait for Gerald’s test (I think video is coming monday). If the 4K pixel binned mode looks like garbage (it kinda does from screenshots) then what’s the point? It’s a liability not an asset it your using it professionally (for video). The stills look pretty decent. Although It has very limited highlight recover. The AF is killer. Especially for people.

Amando Ferreira’s workaround for the R5. Can’t make this shit up.