Video Hummus

$4K for a camera you have to put away instead of enjoy shooting with it? Well I’ll be damned...

Time to take the leap @Andrew Reid and develop Phone4K.com. Stick with 4K as it’s in the spirit of EOSHD. We want professional cinema features in our DSL...I mean phones!

Kinda makes sense...but why not just announce it and say it’s shipping in Sept when the Sony ships. Give themselves more time to figure out a solution. No one is the wiser... Like it or not they damaged their brand a bit and I think all the hyped up emotions around it is the 8K hype and spec teases they released. They worked...too well?

So how does management spec out a camera, tell marketing to market it this way, and then engineering fall on its face? Sounds like terrible communication between these departments. The supposed internal breakdown of the camera that was posted shows no heat sink or thermal control on the circuit board at all. How did this overwhelming obvious bug not get fixed? It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that: boy this thing gets hot. Maybe we should try to cool it and have it no happen unless it was designed that way in the first place.

I agree. I wonder how far it will go...maybe no more mirrorless cameras for less than 5,000. It's just a matter of time before they get smarter and smarter about faking DoF and HDR and all of that. Video is still safe...for the moment because the human eye can spot the bullshit pretty quick...well for now anyway.

Yeah, something smells. Hmm, sounds like a firmware issue for entering sleep state not a hardware one...I can't think of any hardware problem that would cause this unless the hardware isn't capable in the first place! They are going to play this off as a supply issue and do a soft recall to avoid brand damage. I think it will be interesting to weigh a R5 and a "post-recall" R5 in November and see if the weight is different. This means they made significant hardware changes. Just a thought.

Someone also needs to shoot the R5 while it’s in low quality 4K mode and film a lacy bride’s wedding dress. It’s it moire vomit then it’s not good.

As a post addendum: They can partner with blackmagic to get a similar sensor as the 12K just in 4/3 format and at 8K and with blackmagic RAW inside.

I’ll take slightly improved DfD autofocus if they have internal BRAW or ProsRes RAW in there. Still better than what blackmagic offers. The AF on the G9 is unreliable but it does come in handy for certain things. I also hope they take the ethos of the S1H into the new camera and focus on video almost entirely. They can always Release a G9 successor for the hardcore M43 photographers (throwing in features similar to what Olympus offered would be smart imho). What we do know is there is two Sony 4/3 sensors out there that have the potential be customized for photo use. The IMX492LQJ and the IMX594CQR. Of those two the later one seems most capable for video features at 41MP. That would leave enough MP for 8K 16:9 video. It could also possible have a quad-Bayer mode which would deliver 10.2MP (same size as GH5S) for better lowlight and color at 4K. Finally, at 41MP it would be beneficial for it to be a BSI sensor as well. It all hinges however on the readout speeds. I theorize if it has that sensor with good readout speeds we will see something like: 8K24/30p, 6K oversampled at 24/30p, and finally a quad-Bayer, 10.2MP 4K mode at 120p that would deliver better lowlight ability over the GH5 and maybe the GH5S in that mode. That would be in the spirit of a GH camera I think! All unlimited of course.

Well there is the Z6S which is rumored to have the same sensor as the Z6. So maybe it’s the fixed Z camera everybody wanted to begin with (10-bit, 4K60, z-log, better AF). It’s definitely on my radar. Along with GH6 and perhaps a fixed R5. I like where Sony is going. I just don’t like the A7 style bodies at all and if I’m going to spend that much on a camera I want to enjoy holding it in my hand.

Exactly

I would be surprised if EVA2 won’t be FF and L-mount. Would be good to help boost L-mount adoption. Can have adapters for EF and PL. I think the chances for a MFT style EVA2 is slim.

Not buying now. Was going to before this. We are on a camera forum. Certainly there is many things to be upset about in the world today. Doesn’t mean I have to ruin other aspects because of it.

Cool. I would be interested in the HLG for the GH5S. Your HLG S1H one is very nicely done. It’s a transform LUT correct? Moving HLG or Log to a Rec709 for further grading afterwards?

This is what is upsetting. Not the overheating but the recover timer. It’s unusable.

I think we know why the R5 weights about the same as the GH5...clearly the GH5 has a proper heatsink in it. The R5 has a bigger sensor, IBIS, bigger body, made out of the same material...I would put money down on what’s missing...

I remember reading an interview Yosuke Yamane where he basically said the S1H was the real passion for the L-mount and that the S1 and S1R were released first just so their was more cameras for L-mount and to give it a bit of starting momentum (paraphrasing). Which is a big hint maybe to their primary strategy and focus for the L-Mount. He also talks about S1H and EVA1 and the customer overlap. I’ll look through my history and see if I can find it.

Is the GH lut for HLG or VLOG-L?

I strongly believe the A7IV will have 4K60 10-bit (probably no ALL-I) and a 20+ MP sensor. It will lack the “Venice” color tweaks they did to the A7SIII but as long has it has 10-bit it doesn’t matter as much. It might be better than the S3 but just without the 4K120p and with more strict overheating conditions.

I think this is where you get into the weeds. Clearly they aren’t the same. Color is better on the FX9, thats easy to notice. But your right, the FX9 footage just looks better. It’s that little bit of sprinkling of...something...that makes it look different. That, or its confirmation bias, because we know it’s more expensive = better? I don’t know.

I thought it did do oversampled HD and thats one of the reasons I bought it. I learned later that isn’t the case. Big bummer. Oh well, I still like it and I’ve used 96fps mode with ex-teleconveter on my 50-200 at f4 and the image holds up.

I’m so hoping Fuji makes the XH2 their S1H type camera.

EVA1 has better highlight retention. Color is debatable. The 120p from the S1H is not great either. They are very close in all honesty.

Interesting. EVA1 and S1H are two years apart and I would say the EVA1 still has better footage, especially higher frame rates. You need the XLR-1 adapter to match audio. The EVA1 does have a shit screen so there is that. You are comparing a high-end mirrorless camera to a lower-end cinema camera. Of course they will overlap a little bit. I do get why FX9 owners are mad though.

Phillip Bloom said he had a heat lamp on the A7SIII at like 120F And it overheated in 100p mode and 60p modes...after around 30 mins. However, unlike the R5/6, after turning the camera off and then back on after 2 mins, he got another 20+ mins out of it. So the R5/6 recovering times are absolutely broken. He said based on his results and using it for 24 hours including filming with it for 21 hours on the beach that it was a professional tool. It will sell very, very well. Levi Allen, a filmmaker primarily using GH5 since its release, who is not a gear snob and has tried many cameras but always goes back to his GH5, has said he is moving on to the A7SIII for its image quality. Sooo, I suspect many people will be buying it and E-mount glass. I wonder if the S1H will get some firmware updates and new capabilities beyond ProRes External to keep it fresh?