Video Hummus

Christian moved from Canon to Sony, back to Canon, had a breakdown. Glad to see at least he is having fun with it.

Makes way to much sense, common sense doesn’t fly in this industry.

Many people that preordered probably won’t even see their camera in 6 months at this rate.

Yes, but the image seems to be still better than most mirrorless cameras. It has AF. It has the mythical compressed internal RAW everybody wants, it has the DR, it has a more manageable size, it doesn’t have accessory lock-in. It lacks IBIS, and mirrorless ergos, and weather sealing. I don’t know. Time will tell. But it might be the better “mirrorless” camera than the latest mirrorless cameras. RED was smart to offer something like this. It is the gateway drug. Its still not cheap at 7K or whatever they are going to charge. Twice the price of an A7SIII

Man oh man, all those other TY channels that made multiple videos hyping this thing and making fun of people concerned about overheating (they are tying to be smart about how to spend their hard earned money) only to finally release a video telling us the major deal breakers with this camera and its marketing...those channels are anti-consumer and you should steer well clear of their bullshit.

Footage looks much better than the earlier stuff. I think this is where cameras are heading. Higher-end pro tools at higher end pro prices. The mirrorless cameras will be eaten alive by camera phones with 1” sensors and better software. It’s coming. Definitely has me thinking to just skip this round of mirrorless cameras, because lets face it, they will never deliver on what we want, and just save for a higher end camera. Komodo has AF so its at the top of the list for price versus features. Would really like to see a C100 style camera from canon that can compete on image. Doesn’t even have to be RAW. Just a super rich 10-bit 4:2:2 image with the special sauce 1DC had.

How did Sony manage to do it in a smaller body at 614g versus R5 738g versus GH5 725g. There is no magic going on here. You either invest in better manufacturing nodes and cooling designs or you don’t. Sony even advertised their cooling design in their promo material. Let’s be frank. If Panasonic adds PDAF to future GH and S series camera they would be much much more popular. Would people even care about the R5 if the S1H had good PDAF to begin with? Probably not. They would be out shooting jobs with amazing color and would shrug their shoulders : “maybe next time Canon”. Also lets be clear about another thing: almost everybody wants a competent, non-crippled, Canon hybrid mirrorless camera. Save for the extreme Sony fanboy loyalists who have somehow welded their identity with what camera they use. I know people say AF doesn’t matter for certain jobs, but last time I checked there is a huge C-AF -> MF switch on the body. You don’t have to use it. But why wouldn’t you want competent AF in your toolbox? AF has become one of the primary selling points of a camera. There is no question about this. And the AF in the R5 and A7SIII is borderline set it and forget it good. Take a look at some of Brandon Li’s tests on Instagram (4K120p running at the camera and the focus pull is seamless and amazing and nigh perfect). Yes, but I think Canon may have misstepped off a cliff with this one. I do hope they can fix it and deliver what everybody wants. If the R5 had the same overheating performance the A7SIII has it would outsell by a long shot.

$4K for a camera you have to put away instead of enjoy shooting with it? Well I’ll be damned...

Time to take the leap @Andrew Reid and develop Phone4K.com. Stick with 4K as it’s in the spirit of EOSHD. We want professional cinema features in our DSL...I mean phones!

Kinda makes sense...but why not just announce it and say it’s shipping in Sept when the Sony ships. Give themselves more time to figure out a solution. No one is the wiser... Like it or not they damaged their brand a bit and I think all the hyped up emotions around it is the 8K hype and spec teases they released. They worked...too well?

So how does management spec out a camera, tell marketing to market it this way, and then engineering fall on its face? Sounds like terrible communication between these departments. The supposed internal breakdown of the camera that was posted shows no heat sink or thermal control on the circuit board at all. How did this overwhelming obvious bug not get fixed? It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out that: boy this thing gets hot. Maybe we should try to cool it and have it no happen unless it was designed that way in the first place.

I agree. I wonder how far it will go...maybe no more mirrorless cameras for less than 5,000. It's just a matter of time before they get smarter and smarter about faking DoF and HDR and all of that. Video is still safe...for the moment because the human eye can spot the bullshit pretty quick...well for now anyway.

Yeah, something smells. Hmm, sounds like a firmware issue for entering sleep state not a hardware one...I can't think of any hardware problem that would cause this unless the hardware isn't capable in the first place! They are going to play this off as a supply issue and do a soft recall to avoid brand damage. I think it will be interesting to weigh a R5 and a "post-recall" R5 in November and see if the weight is different. This means they made significant hardware changes. Just a thought.

Someone also needs to shoot the R5 while it’s in low quality 4K mode and film a lacy bride’s wedding dress. It’s it moire vomit then it’s not good.

As a post addendum: They can partner with blackmagic to get a similar sensor as the 12K just in 4/3 format and at 8K and with blackmagic RAW inside.

I’ll take slightly improved DfD autofocus if they have internal BRAW or ProsRes RAW in there. Still better than what blackmagic offers. The AF on the G9 is unreliable but it does come in handy for certain things. I also hope they take the ethos of the S1H into the new camera and focus on video almost entirely. They can always Release a G9 successor for the hardcore M43 photographers (throwing in features similar to what Olympus offered would be smart imho). What we do know is there is two Sony 4/3 sensors out there that have the potential be customized for photo use. The IMX492LQJ and the IMX594CQR. Of those two the later one seems most capable for video features at 41MP. That would leave enough MP for 8K 16:9 video. It could also possible have a quad-Bayer mode which would deliver 10.2MP (same size as GH5S) for better lowlight and color at 4K. Finally, at 41MP it would be beneficial for it to be a BSI sensor as well. It all hinges however on the readout speeds. I theorize if it has that sensor with good readout speeds we will see something like: 8K24/30p, 6K oversampled at 24/30p, and finally a quad-Bayer, 10.2MP 4K mode at 120p that would deliver better lowlight ability over the GH5 and maybe the GH5S in that mode. That would be in the spirit of a GH camera I think! All unlimited of course.

Well there is the Z6S which is rumored to have the same sensor as the Z6. So maybe it’s the fixed Z camera everybody wanted to begin with (10-bit, 4K60, z-log, better AF). It’s definitely on my radar. Along with GH6 and perhaps a fixed R5. I like where Sony is going. I just don’t like the A7 style bodies at all and if I’m going to spend that much on a camera I want to enjoy holding it in my hand.

Exactly

I would be surprised if EVA2 won’t be FF and L-mount. Would be good to help boost L-mount adoption. Can have adapters for EF and PL. I think the chances for a MFT style EVA2 is slim.

Not buying now. Was going to before this. We are on a camera forum. Certainly there is many things to be upset about in the world today. Doesn’t mean I have to ruin other aspects because of it.

Cool. I would be interested in the HLG for the GH5S. Your HLG S1H one is very nicely done. It’s a transform LUT correct? Moving HLG or Log to a Rec709 for further grading afterwards?

This is what is upsetting. Not the overheating but the recover timer. It’s unusable.

I think we know why the R5 weights about the same as the GH5...clearly the GH5 has a proper heatsink in it. The R5 has a bigger sensor, IBIS, bigger body, made out of the same material...I would put money down on what’s missing...

I remember reading an interview Yosuke Yamane where he basically said the S1H was the real passion for the L-mount and that the S1 and S1R were released first just so their was more cameras for L-mount and to give it a bit of starting momentum (paraphrasing). Which is a big hint maybe to their primary strategy and focus for the L-Mount. He also talks about S1H and EVA1 and the customer overlap. I’ll look through my history and see if I can find it.

Is the GH lut for HLG or VLOG-L?