Video Hummus

You’re probably right. I was hoping and still hoping we can finally get a useable Canon hybrid camera out of this. I’m doubtful.

Funny how the laws of thermodynamics and physics work, eh? So many awesome things and cool technology we have today yet somehow those laws and physics are sucked into a black hole around the R5.... Its not the weather sealing insulating the camera, it isn’t the lack of heatpipe or heatsink to cool components, it isn’t the scorching hot ambient temperatures (or the freezing ones at that!), no its the classic, completely bizarre, canon cripple hammer coming down hard. I think they might be open to litigation. The overheating icon on the screen, the increasing evidence that the overheating issue is bogus, the complete lack or care to mitigate heat inside the camera. They have some explaining to do.

Yes. Someone needs to take the bloody back panel off without disconnecting the screen and be able to power the camera on and record 8K. Take that shit into a walk-in freezer at -4C or 0C with a fan and blow freezing temps over the back circuit board...if it overheats or doesn’t slow down any of the timers than the timers are a closed loop and temperatures do not effect them! Meaning, it’s all software regulated. If the internals being exposed to freezing temperatures doesn’t improve the “overheating” then Tilta’s stupid cooling kit is beyond ridiculous. The fact that there has been multiple independent test of the camera overheating roughly the same time in cold, hot, and extremely hot conditions tells me that the outside ambient temperature has nothing to do with the cool down timers at all. Period. Leave it in a fridge for 1 hour...I bet you it will tell you 5 mins of 8K left as well. Make sure to put a beer in there as well so you can drink it after your realize what your 4400 euros got you.

There is the possibility they will piss off their cinema customers. But I would think their cinema customers would be first in line to buy this camera if it did 4KHQ with a much shorter “recovery” time, or no recover time at all. I think the 4KHQ mode should be unlimited. It’s pretty blatantly obvious it is because magically plugging in a HDMI cable makes it possible.

Poor Tilta their product was a lie too!

Or they could have said something like this: ”The R5 embodies everything photographers loved in the Canon 5D series. It is a sign of our commitment to continue this excellence into our mirrorless RF camera line. Although video was not a focus of the R5, we still put in some exciting video features for light video workflows. Stay tuned for more exciting products in our EOS and Cinema EOS family of products.” I realize it may have sold less R5’s to video originated people that were excited for it. But what is worst? Giving them an utter turd that just pisses them off and damages their brand prestige. Very, very stupid. But maybe I’m too idealistic. People these days have short attention spans and myopic views (I’m not faultless). I’m not sure what they are going to do. If they someone increase the performance drastically they indirectly admitted it was all a scam and they were deceptive about it. If they do nothing they risk alienating and losing customers who will just want to get their 4K120p camera and will buy Sony. If they say they tweaked it and got a bit more performance...it won’t be enough.

Yes I agree. But how? I’m not sure you can take off the back panel and expose the PCB and keep everything working. You would need to take temperature readings from inside.

Yeah there is growing evidence this overheating scheme is entirely bullshit. Why not just be honest with people? Have clear limits to the recording modes. The only possible explanation is that the temperature being reported in EXIF are of PCB temperatures and not what the sensor is at. But then again, we have people with thermal cameras saying the sensor never gets above 60C....

I wonder if this strange battery door “feature” is to avoid the battery being pulled? What other Canon camera has ever done this? Any camera at all? And how would you use a dummy battery for DC power?

This is incredibly interesting. Would be nice to have a third party try this out and see if the results are replicated. I think this next firmware is going to “fix” that EXIF temperature reporting. Why the fuck did they implement this absurd recovery timer. It’s beyond the realm of defense for being a “conservative” feature to protect the camera from overheating. It’s straight up bullshit, it seems. Great stuff.

More evidence that makes me think the outside temperature has no baring at all on the overheating.

This is a good angle to try. Assuming it’s a software limit and the camera doesn’t detect and do a emergency power down write which it may do to protect data being written to card (ie, closing out the file being recorded so at least the movie file isn’t corrupted).

There was wording directly from Ebay warning me not to send the product until PayPal confirmed funds...maybe I did it wrong. But doesn’t matter, the experience was terrible and frustrating as hell. I could not re-list the product either.

So Forbes says the Sony Sensors business is absolutely booming. They hold 50% of the global sensor market. A whopping 70% of the smartphone sensor market. Via sonyalpharumors: https://image-sensors-world.blogspot.com/2020/07/one-investors-view-on-sony-cis-business.html If you look at the segments that are growing the most is smartphones, automotive, and security. The security sector of sensors could be interesting to look at in regards to MFT, as its pretty well know a lot of MFT sensors used in cameras are based off an initial design for security purposes. I believe these are the Sony STARVIS line of sensors. The most well know and successful one being the IMX299 which is used in GH5S, P4K, Zcam E2 and the IMX272 (I’m going off memory I might be wrong) which is the very heavily used 20MP sensor in the GH5 and EM1 cameras. The security camera market, currently, is pushing heavily into the 4/3 sized sensors for the extra low-light and quality you get from them compared the the 1” sensor. If you look at any high-end security cameras they tend to trend towards using 4/3 sized sensors. Hopefully as demand continues to increase in the security market we will see more capable 4/3 sensors coming from Sony and we will also see more affordable 4/3 based security cameras coming to the consumer market. The Ubiquity line of G cameras comes to mind (https://www.ui.com/products/#unifivideo). I will be installing Ubiquiti cameras soon at my business so I’ve been knee deep in researching this area. As you can see in the chart the camera slice of the sensor market is absolutely tiny. I think this is part of the reason why we see a stagnation in the FF sensor market. There are many FF cameras that are using the exact same Sony sensor for multiple generations of products now. I’m still curious to know what sensor that Sharp 8K camera was using. I get mixed findings on wether it was a Sony sensor or an in-house development from Sharp. I see this company come up a lot: http://www.socle-tech.com/SHARP_image_Sensors.php Which is a Foxconn owned company. The sensor is also 33MP which currently there are no published sensors from sony with that spec. So it leads me to believe its a “in-house” MFT sensor that isn’t from Sony, which is kinda remarkable.

Those numbers are quite amazing.

This camera is an expensive EOS R mk2. Almost always you will be forced to record in the lineskipped 4K modes after one hour, no matter where you are shooting from arctic tundra to jungle. If you are ok with only having lineskipped 4K at 30p max then the camera is a OK upgrade from the EOS R. Matt Johnson from WhoIsMatt tried to use it to film a wedding. His conclusion: be absolutely prepared to be shooting 4K 30p lined skipped 4K. And if you are a real video professional, then don’t get the R5. Spend your money more wisely. Which is a real shame because a lot of other specs on this camera are very very nice. The AF is top notch, human and animal eye detection, size, weight, glass...it’s just a shame the 4K HQ isn’t the default recording mode because if it was this camera would be pretty damn amazing. I would recommend watching it. It’s one of the less bullshit filled videos out there on REAL WORLD use of the camera.

A7SIII is the closet FF camera that has come to pulling me out of MFT land as a primary camera. The 12MP sensor kinda kills it for me. I wish it was closer to 20MP for photography. 15MP might have been doable... MFT still has steam in it for at least one more round of GH and GX cameras. I honestly think they are waiting for a more compelling MFT sensor from Sony. That, or they are experimenting with doing something funky with S35 or preparing a FF S L-mount camera that will replace the MFT GH cameras. So I wait for news on GH6 camera while still happily enjoying my 5S. BTW, since this thread hasn’t been derailed enough already. Here is a shot from my first outing out with the 7Artisans 60mm macro. I sipped coffee with my hand on the shutter for about 45 mins off and on until one lucky bee came along.

Cost cutting on R&D. Cost cutting on materials and assembly. Cost cutting on materials and assembly. Because absolute temperature of circuit board has very little to do with recover times. The ultimate test of this is to open the damn thing up in a walk-in ice cold freezer with leaf blower on it and then try and record. I bet you the record limits won’t change.

Why are people expecting it to when it is advertised as not?

Can’t wait for Porsche to release a new 911 with 300 horsepower and a top speed of 200mph and a cruising speed of 100* *top speed only achievable on a cloudy, 24C day. Cruising speed is only for a max of 30 mins, except when in 6th gear max cruising time is 15mins. 5th gear allows unlimited cruising time but suspension is disabled and top speed is disabled.

Eh, the more people that get this camera in their hands and then have it shit the bed and piss all over your project shoot will find out eventually that its “all a matter of perspective”. Not so sure they will be happy they wasted their own time and money, and hopefully not their clients time and money (although extremely likely if they are naive; many are!).

Someone should tell Canon’s marketing department that.

But this is exactly what/is happening. Not to mention very few independent reviewers got their hands on it prior to the Pre-orders and those that did were allowed to talk about certain aspects. They were all almost exclusively “first looks”, “previews”, and “first hands on” type videos and content. Not proper reviews! Canon really messed up the marketing of this camera. They heavily leaned into the whole 8K and 4K120p 10-bit recording specs monster to sell this camera.

That’s pretty damning coming from Phillip who almost always takes the middle, reasonable road when it comes to comparing cameras. I think his thoughts on being “punished” for using the camera summarizes this whole shit-show.

The HDMI overheating vs menu overheating is very strange. It does point to maybe this being an intentional cripple hammer blow. Which could mean good news if canon is willing to fix it and give the camera more acceptable behavior closer to A7SIII. If they did that do they not understand they would sell an absolute boat load of these cameras and with it a ton of RF glass? Whats their angle for so badly crippling this poor camera? They gave so much room for Sony to steal away mirrorless sales. Maybe they thought with the success of the EOS R they could get away with selling an EOS R to their customers again with headline grabbing specs that are crippled to the point of being unusable. Strange, very strange product here.