JordanWright

A weird camera - Surely photographers will use the R5 that's smaller, lighter and has IBIS. Filmmakers will use the C70 that has NDs, XLR, Full HDMI and Clog2 

If it's designed for Photographers that occasionally shoot a bit of video surely the R5 is way more than they need. I really don't see a market for this camera. Although I have the same thoughts about the FX3 and people seem to use that. 

Which service do you use?

5 minutes ago, Django said:

FS7 is still capable of spitting out a really nice detailed filmic IQ imo with tons of headroom for grading.

Totally! I've had some lovely images from the FS7! If you prefer to operate from the shoulder then id get the FS7. I prefer handheld with a strap on the BM, it can be quite stable. I suppose it depends on preferences, most cameras nowadays get the job done too with basically negligible differences in the end product. Ergo and workflow preferences are more important than ever imo

Ive used both but only owned the 6K Pro, thats the one I would go for!

Could never get used to the FS7 ergos, the VF loupe would always fog up and the monitor isn't great without it. The BM is just simple to use and gets out of your way on a shoot. 

IQ is also better on the BM but you are giving up autofocus. I will say that the second duel ISO is a bit noisy I like to stick to 400. (I would expose for 200 with the brighter screen and gen5 as the monitor can be deceiving) 

Internal batteries

5 hours ago, A_Urquhart said:

Have been using Samsung T5's since getting my Tilta cage for the P4K when it was first released. I chose the Tilta cage because it had, by far, the best cable system for USB-C and HDMI compared to ever other cage. My P4K has been used on major car ads mounted to vehicles, used in long form dramas and TVC's mounted to jibs, cranes, gimbals and used on docs in some rough and tumble environments.

Never had a single issue with any of the 4 500GB Samsung T5's I've got. (touch wood!)

Reliability wise, I have owned the P4K since it's release and received one of the first units and the only issue I had was a buzz in the audio when the camera was providing phantom power to the XLR port. BMD fixed this under warranty.

 

great to hear you had a good experience!  I was using the Tilta cage also, had a couple of there locked in cables go bad within a year. Understandably, i really have a hard time trusting there products; I also have had other Tilta products with QC issues such as the Cage itself, T5 holder screw and a bad DC-Weipu cable. support was also non existent. It’s a shame because there design and ideas were so good! 
Anyway I ended up purchasing 3 Tilta cables and 2 SSD holders within a year. Would have saved money to go with Cfast earlier... although my shoots rarely need over 500gb but I get the allure of 1TB drives for £100

as for the BM... I’ve found that when you get a good unit it’s rock solid! 

100% Cfast all the way USBC is unreliable, introduces 3 points of failure 

+1 for Sigma Art lenses, they are great for a nutural image.

2 hours ago, Fairkid said:

My screen looks really nice, no obvious blue tint. Got mine from CVP yesterday.

Thats good to hear, I read BM were fixing the issue vis firmware anyway!

On 3/2/2021 at 5:52 PM, superporpoise said:

Also have one and the blue tint is noticeable and annoying. Hoping it can be fixed with firmware.

I've also noticed the top "dot" buttons are less responsive than my Pocket 4K. For example, if I turn on false color I have to wait a second before the button will turn it off. Not a deal-breaker, but different behavior than my 4K, which is instant. Anyone else noticing this?

My buttons are very responsive I don't have my regular to compare side by side but they seem to be unchanged for me.

8 minutes ago, superporpoise said:

Also have one and the blue tint is noticeable and annoying. Hoping it can be fixed with firmware.

I've also noticed the top "dot" buttons are less responsive than my Pocket 4K. For example, if I turn on false color I have to wait a second before the button will turn it off. Not a deal-breaker, but different behavior than my 4K, which is instant. Anyone else noticing this?

I’ll have to test this later and let you know, seems like we have beta firmware till the one grant announced.. so could be related to that?

18 minutes ago, SteveV4D said:

I've heard about the LUT bug.  Screen one is new to me.  I'm still awaiting WEX to even acknowledge the camera is now available.  Should have gone to CVP... 

Hopefully a bug fix will be due out soon to fix these silly issues.  Sounds like an easy fix.  

Yeah a lot of people on the BM forums have the same issue. I was just going to add +300k correction to my LUTs so is not a huge deal but it will be great to have a fix.

I’m also not used to such a bright screen I often accidentally overexposed about a stop on the regular pockets, with the Pro (and gen5) I find exposing using the monitor more accurate.

Sorry to spam the thread... had the camera for a few days now here’s some initial thoughts and tests. ND filters are great (obviously) haven’t noticed any IR pollution or colour shifts when using them yet. The biggest upgrade is the brightness of the monitor, totally usable on sunny days. I will say a lot of people have been reporting that there monitors have a blue tint and I can confirm that mine is about 300k cold. BM informed CVP that is a firmware update coming to fix this. 

There is another firmware bug where it is impossible to import or delete LUts

Battery life is improved I get 1h continuous recording 6K Q5 to Cfast. (100% Screen Brightness)

The body is slightly taller making it more comfortable to hold... there is finally a place for my pinky on the grip! It is also a bit heavier in the hand.

other than that it’s basically a P6K, same IQ in a more ergonomic and feature packed body. 

Actually they are just in stock everywhere in the UK now lol 

Update: dispatched today arriving Monday... really wish I opted for Saturday delivery lol 

Let me know how those Patona batteries work out for you. Ive get a couple of Baxxtar and was considering either the BM or the Hawkwoods 590s

4 hours ago, SteveV4D said:

I ordered from WEX.  I did CVP last time with the Pocket and it took ages.  Serves me right going elsewhere now.  Still no word from WEX.

Turns out they will be getting it in tomorrow instead so (in theory) it should be getting to me between Friday and Monday!

Speaking of the camera getting here CVP here in the UK called me saying they are getting my unit in today.

John Brawley just posted on Facebook with a video that he’s getting 72mins out of the included battery, that’s not bad at all. (Screen on 100%)

2 minutes ago, stefanocps said:

ok thank you..that is what seemed to me, but i was noit sure..So you don't like to use cage a part if you need a monitor..and that is obvious. WHy you don't like cage? i find can be helpfull when doing some movement of the camera...i think coulkd be more stable, moving a camera with a cage form the handle than have it in the hand..what is your opinion about?

Personally it doesn't change the way I hold the camera and sometimes the metal covers the grip making it uncomfortable. If you prefer to use a top handle though go for it!

2 minutes ago, stefanocps said:

sorry i don t understand the meaning of this sentences "Ive always found cages get in the way a bit unless you need to build things onto the camera!"...(i am not english mother tongue..) can you explain different? thank you

no problem I hope this is easier to understand! 'I don't like to use cages unless I need to add something to the camera, a monitor for example. 

My advice would be to wait until you know what to add on to your camera. best to keep it lightweight and simple until you have accessories you need to add. Ive always found cages get in the way a bit unless you need to build things onto the camera!

Looks like a cool camera but Sony have sooooo many series of Alpha cameras now it’s really hard to keep up! 

9 hours ago, mercer said:

With full frame, 28mm to 35mm are basically street shooting lenses for me. I kinda prefer 45mm to 50mm, but I can go handheld with the former, so they're much more versatile.

RE: the Canon 20mm 2.8, I am probably going to buy the lens within the next couple months due to a shoot I'm doing this spring in a car. So if you do get it, please report back with your thoughts and some sample images. 

Yeah thinking about it the P6K is S35 so 18mm works out to be a similar fov as a 28mm on the 5d! 

4 hours ago, kye said:

I also love the look of lenses wider than 28mm.  I think that the fact that 24/28 is the standard wide end of a zoom and therefore kind of the default focal length for landscapes etc put me off it.  The fact that every smartphone video until two year ago was also that FOV sure didn't help.

I settled on 15/35/85 FF equivalent FOVs as how I shoot.  I love the 35 for environmental portraits (which is most of the work I do) and the 85 for close-ups or detail shots or far-away things and the 15 for landscapes and buildings and anything that's big and you want a WOW reaction from.

Yeah I think i've been watching too much Chivo (if thats possible) his films really changed my perspective to what looks 'normal' and 'natural' to me. 

4 hours ago, kye said:

Having done a few trips with the 7.5mm (and the 8mm SLR Magic I had before that) I've realised that I don't think I ever need quite the full width of the 15/16 FOV they give, but I'm not sure how much narrower I can go before I'd start missing the width.  18mm might be a good point to look at.

 

Im going to hold of and use the 18-35 until it gets to the point where I really get the itch for something smaller or wider for now, but I think you are right wider is going to be better for me! 

20 hours ago, BTM_Pix said:

In the time that I have actually used it, which was predominantly the two weeks after I got it, I love it.

No question it could do with a viewfinder for me but I'll get the loupe at some point when I begin shooting again.

Thought this was a fantastic way to market a camera. I think it would be cool to use the loupe and the base grip for a super8 style rig. 

@BTM_Pix 77mm filters are actually a positive for me, I’m using Nisi IRND 77mm fixed NDs at the moment (highly recommend over the Hoya ProNDs for the BMs) I’d be stepping up to use them on whatever I get. I use 80mm OD ring (with 77mm threads) on the 18-35 so I can use slip on caps. I’ve seen a 11-16 on eBay for sub £200 which is very tempting.

side note: how do are you finding the FP?

I’m also looking into the Zeiss 18mm 3.5... hmmm decisions!