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1 minute ago, Andrew Reid said:

However the E2 doesn't shoot internal raw or ProRes, only H.264 if I'm not mistaken. So less interested in that one.

I thought it was h264 or h265 depending on your settings at the time of recording. Still... not raw or ProRes.

Does that make BM the underdog? 

2 minutes ago, sanveer said:

Not that this will win some beauty awards, but it is nowhere as ugly as the initial renders. If you watch the pics on the Blackmagic site, it actually looks pretty nice.

Must be the make-up and lighting. 

Blackmagic's website hosts the most airbrushed, processed set of images I've ever seen. I always chuckle when I go on there... Which is sure to be a lot more often between now and September.

Does anyone have info on the native ISO(s) In the announcement he said he couldn't remember...

1 minute ago, jonpais said:

They haven’t gotten a license from Apple yet.

So just a matter of time then. No reason they're not going to get that license.  good stuff

No mention of ProRes RAW, but safe bet that it'll be included by release right? Would seem strange to not have it if you ask me.

1 minute ago, BTM_Pix said:

You can pay in Euros at CVP by the way

Yeah but with 20% tax - in NL we're at 21% so it messes with my reports and could open up some holes which I simply can't be bothered to deal with. I'd rather just wait a day or two for a store here to open preorders if need be.

Just now, froess said:

cvp is european union so no extra tax for you

Yeah, I mean declaring my tax at te end of the year. It's easier to just pay in euros to start with and not worry about conversions and different tax rates.

Can anyone hook me up with a pre-order in Netherlands? Would go to cvp but gotta think about the tax man.

8 minutes ago, sanveer said:

Don't jump off your chairs, but here is the link to the Live Event (along with a countdown to the event):

 

Not jumping off my chair. In fact, settling down into it.

BM looks a little wider, but a lot shorter then. Since it doesn't have the VF bump.

Makes sense, I would have thought it has a wider screen due to being a video focused camera. 

Photo cams tend to have a more squared LCD

Does anyone have a photo of a GH5 with that lens for a handy size comparison? 

14 minutes ago, Juxx989 said:

It really (from the front) looks like that grip and buttons section could come off.

And that top piece with the thread in it looks like a seperate piece like it could be unscrewed...

I don't think any part of it is detachable aside from the lens. I assume that's just lines in design. The battery and storage more than likely goes inside the grip, so what's the use in taking it off?

Does anyone know of a link to stream the announcement/reveal/event?

I quite like the design. Kind of retro, and it reminds me of the Panasonic DVX100, which I really loved back in the days of DV tapes. 

I'm aware of BMs track record with announcing a camera and then shipping it. But what are people's estimations on the release of this one?

Will it be available to order within a week, month or year. Place your bets!

Is anyone talking about internal Prores Raw for this? At least in a future upgrade. That would be incredible.

Don't buy what? I've said a few times that I'm not looking to buy anything, but thought there was an interesting (or not) comparison to be made.

I never said it was the best thing to show up to a shoot with, only that it can work. 

I know it's cheap, it looks cheap and feels cheap, but in my experience it does the job. I'd rather use it than not. I'm still unclear why a BMPC won't work on it. It's seems like you guys simply wouldnt want to use, which is fine, but then say so and don't present it as facts. 

Alright, I obviously read it all wrong, my bad.

2 hours ago, jonpais said:

If you think saying the BMPC won't work with a $25 Cowboy plastic shoulder rig is hostility and not simply a statement of fact, sorry for that.

I still don't think that's a statement of fact though. Can you explain why it wouldn't work? as I said before, I used that exact plastic rig with an FS5 yesterday, all day and it worked perfectly, so I'm struggling to see why a smaller, lighter camera won't work. 

I have, both filming the exact same thing.

As per B&H, the BM is larger, but it's far from comparing a GH5 to an FS5. 

BMPC - 6.53 x 4.45 x 4.96" - 3.75 lb

GH5 -   5.5 x 3.9 x 3.4" - 1.59 lb

Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but there is a lot of hostility around something I thought could be an interesting comparison. I am reading and understanding comments, and trying to argue points that might have been overlooked like the fact that you have to have external audio on the BM... You also do on the GH if you want to use it.

Thanks again everyone for contributing.

Ah cool, reading the rest of the comments since my last has given me more information. Like I say, I have no interest in buying either camera, but at my first glance they seemed like they're for similar markets... As made abundantly clear now, they are not. That's why we ask questions huh?  

@IronFilm I've seen at least 3 go kitted out for €900 here, which is what got me thinking.

@cantsin I still don't get that. It works fine with an FS5 so why not the BMPC? I didn't realise about the battery, it didn't even cross my mind to look if you could take the battery out... What a crazy design.

That said, hanging on to my ignorance, knowing I have never used either camera, I still find it hard to believe there's much in it once you learn the limitations of each camera. Since they're more or less the same size though, isn't it more like replacing a classic sports car with a Tesla? They're both great, but one runs on batteries and self drives (Gh5 with ibs) and the other is discontinued and needs a bit of tinkering after a days drive (BMPC with raw). 

Thanks all, I feel enlightened and  comfortable with the camera I'd chose at the end of the day.

2 hours ago, IronFilm said:

 

Thanks Jon, but could I ask you to expand a little more?

A run 'n gun camera can be whatever camera is nearest. Imagine not getting the shot because you were holding a BMPC instead of the GH5 that in your bag. Like I said, for events, sure BMPC isn't the best, but for more or less everything else, it seems to come out on top.

I also can't see why a monopod or that rig won't work. In fact, I had an FS5 on that one just yesterday and it was perfect for the moment. While filming, the weight of the camera was still in my hands, but I could brace it against my body for stabilisation. Then when I'm not actively filming, my shoulder took the weight and my hand was just to stop it falling. Why would it be any different for any other camera?

6 minutes ago, anonim said:

I'd say - it is very hard goal to achieve

Yes, perhaps you're right.

Like any camera comparison, though, there's no clear answer. I feel like I'm being biased, and don't mean to be, I don't own either camera and don't plan on buying one or the other, it's purely hypothetical interest. In fact, I use a GX80 as an easy to grab b-cam, so if anything should favour the GH5 which shares many great features and adds a whole load more.

4 minutes ago, cantsin said:

If you rig up the GH5 with external recorders and monitors, yes. But you can never get the BMPC as small as the GH5, and need a whole different class of tripods and stabilizers for them. (Even a rigged-up GH5 can still be unrigged and put on a small gimbal or monopod. Not the BMPC.)

On top of that, the BMPC cannot use MFT lenses and Speed Boosters and has a low native ISO of 400.

According to B&H there's not a HUGE deal of size difference though, but BM is over twice the weight. 

BMPC - 6.53 x 4.45 x 4.96" - 3.75 lb

GH5 -   5.5 x 3.9 x 3.4" - 1.59 lb

Also, from what I understand, you have the low ISO (don't go about 800 I've read), but a much bigger sensor, so you can't simply compare those numbers to compare image brightness. Then you can push and pull the ProRes or RAW recordings a lot more, so can probably brighten it a lot on post and still maintain a lot of the detail... again, not used the camera so don't know for sure. 

Depending on your own lens collection, I wouldn't count being unable to use MFT lenses as a negative, and could argue that since you don't need a speed booster, is a much bigger positive point for the BMPC. Especially because, going back to price, to get that speed booster is only a little cheaper than buying the BMPC anyway. You could have 2 for less than a GH5 with speed booster! 

I don't mean to sound argumentative, and hope this is being read as a discussion. Aside from the IBS and battery life I still feel the BMPC - or even two at this point - would suit a lot of styles of shooting better than a GH5, especially if it's your bread and butter.

Either any monopod or this would solve the stabilisation issue and you can just buy more batteries. 

Ah gotcha, I'm not looking to buy either camera, but I was just wondering why what appears to be the perfect 'small' camera is so overlooked. (I know perfect cameras are subjective)

To me, based on your comment, battery and stabilisation seems to be the biggest reason. I would argue that the GH5 also needs external audio if you actually plan on using it. If you don't plan on using it, then that's not really much different for either cam - it might make syncing a little harder without scratch, but not a huge deal.

I would imagine if you're using a GH5 in the same capacity as a C300 or FS, you've also got it on a rig. By then, you're not exactly much smaller than the BMPC on a rig. Especially if you still wanted to record in ProRes, adding a 7 inch monitor, you're actually a lot heavier and bigger than the BMPC for the same(ish) results.

I've never used either, so it's all speculation, but I think I'd still sooner pickup a kitted out BMPC and save some dosh while I'm at it. It seems ideal for documentaries and shorts a like. The only place I can see a GH5 being the better solution is for event coverage.