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I'm sure someone else must have a perfectly logical explanation for this but.... For a company that makes its own lenses and who have been developing this new camera and mount for probably quite a lot longer than the last couple of weeks, why the f*** would you not have new versions of at least the 24-70mm f2.8, 70-200mm f2.8 and the 14-24mm f2.8 available at launch instead of at some indeterminate point next year and the year after that? For a long time "yeah but the lenses though" has simultaneously been a stick to beat Sony with and one of the main reasons to hang in there and wait for Nikon to release a camera. The change to a new mount was always going to be enough of a tough sell without turning up with such a half arsed collection of them, especially now the E mount has filled in most of the relevant gaps it had. They've brought a roadmap to a gunfight.

This immediately put me in mind of this scene from The Young Ones. It has a lot of positives but the bald figures of the pricing might mean it doesn't translate into too many going all in on it. It's too expensive.

With Nikon, it is difficult to 2nd guess their intentions for this camera and lenses to be considered for professional use, just as it is for its existing products. In theory, you might inagine that if they consider it a professional camera then it will appear on the qualifying list for NPS. https://www.nikonpro.com/ProductList.aspx It doesn't yet of course but when it's actually available I have no doubt it will do as when you take a look at the cameras and lenses (especially the DX ones) that are on the list you will find many which you would at best consider prosumer ones. There are plenty of single card slot cameras on that list too by the way. Admittedly because they use a points system you would need a fair amount of the lower end stuff to reach the 750 point threshold to qualify for membership but Nikon do acknowledge in this way that you don't have to have their most expensive equipment to be a professional photographer and receive the same benefits as those that do. Which is good for the user (as professional photography is a broad church where not everyone needs the features or build of the higher priced equipment) but bad for trying to win internet arguments.

Surely you'd have enough room in the Tardis or the boot of the De Lorean if you are time traveling though? Sorry.

I think in support of that, if you look at the G9 flickr pool then you can see a big difference from what I imagine is a very similar camera to the GH5 but just in the hands of more predominantly still image creators. The first page of the GH5 pool that I looked at was nothing to write home about. Unless you were writing home to say that you weren't going to buy it.

Cheers. I'm not sure the stall selling the "Here I am with General Franco" framed picture was doing much trade though.

Yeah, whoever that guy is he sounds like a right dick Its promising actually that they've enabled it in the GX9 as it will need to be selectable from the app which makes it possible. I won't be anywhere near one of these cameras for a while but I'll certainly be interested in checking it when I see one.

I'm on a bit of an M mount acquisition exercise at the moment and picked up a used Voigtlander 15mm Super Wide Heliar III f4.5 a couple of weeks ago. I've only used it for stills thus far but I'm going to mount it put it on my A6500 and see what happens, though there is a native E mount version as well. First impressions are that its a good performer and its an especially decent focal length on APS-C (these are from a Leica T) if you are using it for street or run and gun stuff as you can set it to f8 and have everything in focus from 1m. The hood isn't removable but it does have a 58mm filter thread so you can add ND. Usual nice Voitglander build quality and, of course, it is very compact, especially for a lens that will also cover full frame.

Ah-ha... I found Nikon's handy compatibility chart. https://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/accessory/camera/ftz/spec.htm Yes No Maybe. I was presuming that you were referring to D lenses without an in built motor but there are D Type lenses that do (those with the AF-S designation before them) For example AF-S Zoom-Nikkor 17-35mm f/2.8D IF-ED and AF Zoom-Nikkor 18-35mm f/3.5-4.5D IF-ED are both D type lenses but the former has an in built motor so will work with the adapter and the later doesn't so won't. The best way to check is for a specific lens is to got to Nikon's exhaustive lens/body compatibility page here and download the excel sheet. https://www.nikonimgsupport.com/eu/BV_article?lang=en_GB&articleNo=000005532 Then go to the tab of a Nikon body without an AF motor in it (like the D40 for example) and check it against that.

The original LX100 was not exactly resistant but did something really odd in terms of extreme contrast shift. I'm interested to see if this one being based on a different board might actually work. It would certainly make the mark ii slightly more interesting.

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Don't drag me into it I have by virtue of its more flexible lens mount and the more or less comparable form factor but better quality stills of it versus the Panasonic GX80 reached what I would describe as a cordial understanding with it. I don't love it on its own merits necessarily but I'm liking it a lot more when viewed as a poor man's Leica CL. Like many strained relationships, we have saved it by indulging in a little role play !

Let me see... You've only ever made two posts on here. Both about DJI products and both with links to their official online shop. Give me a minute to work out what might be going on here...

Ah...that makes sense. Thanks

I'm not going to say "Its only 11 days to go until the 3rd of September" but, well, it is only 11 days to go until the 3rd of September. Are BM going to drop a big surprise and stick to that date or is there anything even semi-official regarding an actual new date?

Which just makes matters all the more confusing when you have them at exactly the same price in the case of the D850 and the Z7. If I'm looking to swap my D810 for example (which I am) then I'm now being asked to decide between the camera and the spec. Except its a bit more than that because no way would I, or anyone else who has even a modest Nikon lens collection, be looking at buying any of those new 'meh' lenses so we wouldn't feel the benefit (if any) of the new mount until some vague point in the future. So we are also reliant on the adapter giving 'as native' performance on our existing lenses in the meantime otherwise we will be suffering from inferior AF. There just isn't the incentive there to give up what they're asking us to give up and especially not at the same price. But I'm just one (small) part of their target market so they will hopefully fare better with the rest of it !

I've no idea (other than an even more expensive Z8 that has what they've left off this one included) why they would do it. They clearly didn't watch enough of The Godfather when they were coming up with how to create a mirrorless version of a D850.

There aren't any compared to Nikon's other higher end cameras such as the identically priced D850 that the Z7 is offering the alternative to. As @jonpais mentioned, I have posted about this in the other thread about the camera and as much as the specs are - as anticipated - very compelling the fact remains that Nikon have made some odd choices here. Those choices have got absolutely zero to do with the reduced body size either as the multi selector dial on a D850 is exactly the same size as the PASM dial on a D3400 and ditto the buttons as well where they've chosen to give priority to an FPS button for example over having the image lock button. These are choices they've made rather than had forced upon them. Now, either Nikon have decided all of a sudden the ergonomics they have in their high end cameras aren't as good (clue - they are far, far better) or that a different set of ergonomics are needed for mirrorless (clue - they aren't its still just a camera without a mirror). Or, of course, it is neither of those things and they are playing the segmentation game with a camera but with a camera that costs exactly the same price as its mirrored equivalent. I can kind of almost maybe see past it with the lower priced one but we need a reality check here about the Z7. Its £3500. That is £600 more than the Sony A7Riii. If you walk into a shop and pick these two cameras up, which one is going to be more appealing? the 3rd generation of an established product with the now very comprehensive range of native lenses or the far more expensive first generation of a new product with a native lens lineup of one slow zoom and two slowish primes? The opportunity to differentiate is with the ergonomics and they've not delivered. People get very het up about who makes the sensors in cameras and I'm not really that bothered myself so I don't care if its a Sony on the inside but I do care if its a Sony on the outside. I understand that people will say you can't judge these things until you pick the new camera up and try it but I'd also suggest that they go an pick up the old camera at the same time. As I was at pains to point out in the original post, I'm not being some boring old fart pouring water on the excitement over this camera because it isn't a mirrorless D5 but for everyone who is lauding it as a mirrorless D850 then I think its fair comment to highlight that you will be getting more spec but, in my opinion, less camera.

Its a pity about the lack of IS and its a good grounding for learning the trombone when you want to go between the focal lengths but its plenty sharp enough and actually reasonably compact.

And thats just the Houses Of Parliament.

Actually, I did forget one other 35mm option I have which is the Canon 35-350mm f3.5-5.6 L that I picked up for £350 last year after a bit of haggling. I've never used it on the Sony A6500 as I'd bought it for the LS300 but I've just put it on to take a few shots for you outside to show its range and it AFs very well with the Sigma MC-11 converter. If you want the flexibility of 10x zoom range then look no further than this one!

Sounds like a modern day drive around some parts of London in the past couple of years.

I'm just wondering whether by the point at which you're talking about making the purchase that the increasing downward pressure on the price of the Sony A7Rii might have it down in a range where you might consider it a contender? From a pure stills photography point of view, you're not going to find it wanting to say the least. From a video point of view, its got a lot of flexibility particularly with the APS-C mode when it comes to low light. In point of fact if you just kept it in APS-C mode you'd then be looking at accessing the small cheap Sigma stuff which is actually far better than it has a right to be. With the A7Rii you've always got the option of going full frame whereas with the other two what you've got is what you've got. I know you don't want to do adapters and you know I am legally obliged to mention the TechArt Pro adapter in every post I make but I think its particularly relevant to the sort of vintage primes that you're in to. I've got most of Fuji's fast primes and zooms and they are excellent but I'm not going to say that my 90mm and 50mm Summicrons don't fart in their general direction. And of course, these lenses will cover full frame as well. To put this in perspective, I hate my Sony A6500 with a passion as its all spec and no camera but I can't deny that its utility is winning me round as with the small Sigmas its a good compact system in its own right, with the TechArt Pro its a poor man's Leica CL and with the Sigma EF adapter it is the viable Canon 4K mirrorless that Canon don't make The only drawback aside from the ergonomics is that it isn't full frame. Which is where the A7Rii would come in, for me at least.

To harmonise with the rest of Europe would be my guess. The drive on the right thing was a by product of Paris having a keep right rule for horse traffic and then Napoleon spreading this custom through his conquests, hence why the resistants to being conquered (i.e. us and a few others) didn't adopt it. Of course we then passed that defiance on to our colonies and it stuck. Japan had an entirely different reason to do with Samurai swords and the scabbard being on the left (as most people are right handed) so you could pass another rider without the swords clashing and causing any accidental "hey did you just knock my sword" fuelled duels kicking off inadvertently. It also meant that you could get on and off the horse easier without stabbing yourself in the Jerry Hall's. The good news for us is that Japan have kept this up which means we can import lovely little vehicles like this Toyota Prixis Mega and revel in its devil may care squareness without having to worry about the steering wheel being on the wrong side.

Not to mention whether the IBIS on it will smooth those out