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I think for some who don’t want to spend time in post, these software features are truly moving the needle forward in a very positive way. 

Here's a top-down view of the S9 with the Sigma 45mm f/2.8. It looks like a really good size but still not pancake. BTW, this is how Panasonic really envisions you using this camera- phone in one hand and camera in the other. I can't do that as would rather be looking at the scene in front of me, not fiddling around on a phone that's way to big to operate with one hand anyway.

100^ on point. To think the only way to legit be into camera and video is to learn color grading is quite odd. I’m going to die someday. Let me have optimal color or near optimal with minimal work - for the platform of socials and YouTube. That’s it. This camera is a massive step in that direction. Panasonic is really stepping up whereas canon is just like huh

100^ on point. To think the only way to legit be into camera and video is to learn color grading is quite odd. I’m going to die someday. Let me have optimal color or near optimal with minimal work - for the platform of socials and YouTube. That’s it. This camera is a massive step in that direction. Panasonic is really stepping up whereas canon is just like huh

I think this is a key point - colour grading is a daunting and time-consuming thing that most won't want to do (or learn to do).  
I disagree that this isn't for content creators, I think that's exactly who it's for, but the point stands.
I got into video around 2016 and at the time the people here were all about LUTs and profiles, CineD in Panasonic cameras, the Leeming LUT etc.  At that time I didn't see anyone talking about colour management, and although Resolve was the same price then as it is now, it was a very different tool back then.  It had only recently had the Edit page added, and round-tripping from PP/FCPX to Resolve and back isn't for the faint-of-heart.
There are still lots of people who don't want to colour grade, for a variety of reasons, but now it's not a choice between a few profiles or a few LUTs, or spending the time and effort to learn colour grading.

After a little while reading comments and watching videos and reading the specs, I have come to think of this camera a little differently than it seems others are.
I think it's about size.  
If you want a better camera and don't care about size then just buy an S5iiX, or a BMCC 6K, or Alexa or whatever.  
Camerasize.com doesn't have the S9 yet, so I did a mockup myself, basically it's the same size as the GX85:

In those terms, it's a GX85 sized camera body but FF, PDAF, Dual native ISO, 10-bit LOG, Open Gate, claimed 14+ stops of DR, cutting edge colour profiles, etc, without losing the IBIS etc.  If it was an MFT camera then people would be falling all over themselves about it, but it's FF and so somehow has to be an Alexa LF to not get roasted..  doesn't make sense to me.
Of course, it's not perfect because nothing is, but at this size and price the competition really isn't perfect either.  
Also, the F8 prime doesn't really bother me that much, and it's a much closer comparison to the 14mm F2.5 lens than you might think.  The 14mm F2.5 has the DOF of a 28mm F5 lens, which is only just over a stop deeper, and if you combine the dual ISO of the S9 with the F8 lens then that gives it a 2.5 stop boost giving equivalent light gathering of a F3.5 lens (if I did the math right?).
The iPhone 15 main camera has a crop factor of 5, so the main lens is equivalent to a 26mm F7.2 lens, and older models had smaller sensors so would be equivalent to slower lenses.  Entire media empires have been built on content shot on phones, so I don't see this as a major issue.  
Then again, I bought the Olympus 15mm F8 body cap lens for MFT, so what would I know!
My review of that lens is that it's great, but F8 is too slow for anything indoors or after sunset.  With the Dual ISO that limitation disappears.
The challenge for FF was lens size (and especially the L-mount), so here's a lens that's small and pocketable and great for street photography.  Is it overpriced?  Should it be AF?  Probably..  but it exists, and "F8 and be there" is a saying that came from the best photographers who ever lived and has stood the test of time.
All that said, I'm not buying one because the lenses are all still enormous except the new pancake.  Hopefully this is a new body that Panasonic can re-use for the MFT line 🙂

It's amazing to see all the Panasonic features in general, even though many features are available on the S5ii but not on the S9. Geeky Nerdy Techy show many of the things Panasonic cameras can do in 2024.
Here's a good complete walkthrough of the S9:
 

Sorry, but if you shrink the body to be “portable” and don’t have small lenses to compliment it - waste of time. F8? It’s laughable. 
 
lack of audio monitoring features even for short clips? Get outta here. 
 
For this style of creation a pair of a pocket 3 and Ricoh GR 3x makes a tone more sense and despite being two devices is more usable and portable. 
 
software is the win here. Other brands need to jump on board with RD into onboarding LUT features for jpg and video. The x100 crowd would eat it up. 
 
if Panasonic had pancake lenses that hit 2.8-4 and an updated audio solution they’d have a killer combo. The image for video is better than Fuji or Sony at this compact level with Lut features.  No need for “velvia” if you’ve got out options. Fully frame and no need for a gimbal? Yea I’d buy one in a heartbeat. 

You can click right the fuck off lol

You can click right the fuck off lol

SHHHHH...  I think Cam is listening....
 

Here's Canon's 28mm (notice the price):
 
An one from NIkon:

 
Panasonic gave us a 26mm FIXED f/8 MANUAL FOCUS lens for $200. What the hell, Panasonic? And where's the pancake 35-50mm? We need that too for this camera!
With the F8 lens, this is actually debatable. It shouldn't be, but it is!
After a couple days of processing the news and the leaks fiasco, I, along with so many others, am most disappointed in the that drilled-out hockey puck of a lens cap. I give them an "A" for inspiration and a "F" for usability and value.
The other thing is the lack of any sort of a mechanical shutter on a slow, old, 24MP sensor. Why didn't they include a stripped down version of a mechanical shutter, like what they had on the GM1, GM5, G100, GX800, GF(all of them), etc. We had up to 1/500 in mechanical, making the cameras so much more usable in many more situations. Also, the option of a flash is possible.
In essence, the S9 is a l-mount video centric camera without a headphone jack and all kinds of overheating limitations. It tries, and loses, to compete with the sharing abilities of a phone. With that F8 lens, it barely competes on the image quality. The IBIS, as good as it is, is only comparable to a phone. Its saving grace is the fact you can change lenses and make much more of it, but even then, you still don't have a mechanical shutter for general photography. Again, it's an "A" for looks, but a "D" for a photo or video camera.
I say all of this with a grain of salt because I base everything on the specs and what I've heard. With time, I might completely change my mind. Also, it looks super cool and that would be a trump factor. M43 (or other real cameras) are much better suited for general photography.

Depends on  your priorities? (speed of turn around / stills vs video / etc)
And what type of traveling you're doing??
Certainly something I've been pondering myself lately, as I'm hopefully going overseas next year for a few months. 
What do I bring? My Panasonic GH4 + Fujifilm X-E3?
Or more cameras? (my Nikon D5200/D90 as well? Or my Panasonic G6) Or less... just one of them??
Or buy yet another camera?? Maybe splurge out like a nut case and buy a brand new Sony FX30 to rule them all? Or something less crazy, a secondhand Panasonic G9mk1? Or a Nikon D750 or Nikon Z6mk1?? Or an old school Sony a7Smk1 with the Monster Adapter LA-FE2??? (or a7S mk2? Or Sony a7Rmk2 because it does better S35 filming?) Or Sony ZV-E10??
Should I go out and get a point and shoot such as a Sony RX100mk3? Or a cheaper Panasonic LX7??
Do I bring my crappy GoPro Hero 3 Black? Or go out and buy a fancy Sony RX0? Or a DJI Osmo Pocket 2?? 
And don't even get me started on the question of what lenses to bring...
(or even worse, I haven't even touched upon discussing what sound gear to bring... !!!)

I think for some who don’t want to spend time in post, these software features are truly moving the needle forward in a very positive way. 

For it to be full frame then f2.8 might be tricky ish to keep it super compact. 
But at the very least a 28mm f4 (i.e. roughly doubling the 14mm f2.5 specs) should have been possible!! (or heck, why not at least f5.6??? Why does it have to be f8 for goodness sake??) 
Maybe third-party lenses will have to come to the rescue to say the Panasonic S9 as a true "everyday walk around camera".
Such as this pancake lens for only US$99 (manual focus only), 35mm f5.6:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1628287-REG/7artisans_photoelectric_a006b_l_35mm_f_5_6_lens_for.html
Or the Sigma 17mm f/4, or Sigma 24mm f/3.5 , or Sigma 45mm f/2.8,  all are autofocus lenses:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1757611-REG/sigma_415969_17mm_f_4_dg_dn.html 
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1605137-REG/sigma_24mm_f_3_5_dg_dn.html 
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1492965-REG/sigma_360969_45mm_f_2_8_dg_dn.html
Or adapted M Mount lenses:
Voigtlander 21mm f/4 or Voigtlander 28mm f/2.8 or Voigtlander 35mm f/2.5  or Voigtlander 35mm f/1.4 or Voigtlander 40mm f/1.4 or Voigtlander 40mm f/1.2 or Voigtlander 40mm f/2.8:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/483740-REG/Voigtlander_BA211P_Color_Skopar_21mm_f_4_0_P.html 
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1781163-REG/voigtlander_ba379e_28mm_f_2_8_color_skopar_m_type.html
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/326913-REG/Voigtlander_45BA245C_Color_Skopar_Pan_35mm_f_2_5.html
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1494427-REG/voigtlander_ba347c_nokton_classic_35mm_f_1_4.html
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/355977-REG/Voigtlander_45BA246B_Nokton_40mm_f_1_4_M_Mount.html
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1378116-REG/voigtlander_ba342a_nokton_40mm_f_1_2_aspherical.html 
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1695929-REG/voigtlander_ba324e_heliar_40mm_f_2_8_aspherical.html
 
Or instead of Voigtlander, go with a cheap Chinese brand of lenses, TTArtisan 28mm f/5.6, 7artisans Photoelectric 35mm f/5.6 (same US$99 lens as before, but in a more versatile M Mount instead of L Mount), AstrHori 40mm f/5.6, 7artisans 28mm f/5.6:
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1711280-REG/ttartisan_f2856blm_28mm_f_5_6_lens_for.html
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1628285-REG/7artisans_photoelectric_a006b_35mm_f_5_6_lens_for.html 
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1794221-REG/astrhori_a11b_40mm_f_5_6_lens_for.html 
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1702411-REG/7artisans_photoelectric_a011b_28mm_f_5_6_lens_for.html
  
Nah, as it is adapted M Mount
(unless there is an adapter which grants AF to manual M Mount lenses?? I've seen such amazing feats accomplished with an E Mount adapter, has anybody done this for L Mount too??)
  
The Panasonic S9 is however a massive improvement of any smartphone camera, and so long as they make it nearly as very easy to post immediately to social media as it's possible with your own smartphone, then perhaps the S9 still has a niche for the social media addicted content creators. 
  
The integrated gimbal the DJI Osmo Pocket 3 has is hard for anything else to compete against in this market niche. It's better than the IBIS of the S9 for sure! 
But for photographers, then the S9 is going to be more appealing than a DJI Osmo Pocket 3

I've hit saturation after this one - well made video. Still boils down to:
 
1. The software improvements with LUTs are really inspiring and hopeful moving forward
2. The image is top notch and can't complain, absolutely beautiful
3. The body size is overshadowed by the large lenses - might as well just use an S5II
4. If they can figure out a good audio solution and a true pancake 2.8-4 lens i'd consider this as the ultimate EDC/travel combo (until then, i'll stick to my Ricoh and possible a pocket 3)

Others are also ragging on this lens:
 

Yup, that's what I want to know. Fingers crossed it is the camera I hoped the S5ii would be, but isn't quite... Not by much, but 'enough'.
I suspect it might have something to do with the RED acquisition as maybe...just maybe, they have delayed it in order to at least roll out 'something' with it.
I thought April as did many, but it's June next week and still no actual sign.
I've got the tools right now I need, so for me it's more a streamlining want.
Sorry; ZE V1. (I can never remember what order the letters and numbers come in) 
 
Bit of an issue I agree.
The Sigma 28-70 f2.8 even is a bit much for a so called 'compact' camera and the 18-50 f2.8 is a much better fit, but takes everything down to APSC crop mode. Which is not necessarily a bad thing for the intended market of this camera.
But the f8 lens, come on. Not necessarily the lack of any shallow DOF which is more an 'artistic' thing, but it's a killer for anything remotely low light without cranking up the ISO to stupid levels. Concert/gig photography for instance at f8? Err, no thanks. And also having to potentially fight that e:shutter and banding.
I don't want to hate on the thing and could even make a case as a back up/personal camera...but actually even that would be a very weak case and I just would not.
Not for me but maybe is for some others.

I would say yes, but it'll take time I'm sure.
Dream on. Won't happen.
I shoot with the electronic shutter all the time. It really doesn't bother me either. The problem is that if that were the only thing they stripped out, it would be ok. Unfortunately, the list is very long and the price is only $300 less. I plan on getting this camera too as a travel camera (if nothing else comes out for M43), but it won't be for $1500! Also, this camera is only as good as the lenses and panasonic is in desperate need of some very small AF f/2.8 primes (like Canon and Nikon).
Yes, the lenses are the problem. I can live with the audio though. The MF fixed F8 "lens" for $200 (for beginners?) looks so great on the camera, but EVERYONE was wishing for different specs. You're right, it's laughable! Panasonic is going to get hit pretty hard in the teeth over this one. There will be blood. :-)

Evz1 got me 😂 

Sorry, but if you shrink the body to be “portable” and don’t have small lenses to compliment it - waste of time. F8? It’s laughable. 
 
lack of audio monitoring features even for short clips? Get outta here. 
 
For this style of creation a pair of a pocket 3 and Ricoh GR 3x makes a tone more sense and despite being two devices is more usable and portable. 
 
software is the win here. Other brands need to jump on board with RD into onboarding LUT features for jpg and video. The x100 crowd would eat it up. 
 
if Panasonic had pancake lenses that hit 2.8-4 and an updated audio solution they’d have a killer combo. The image for video is better than Fuji or Sony at this compact level with Lut features.  No need for “velvia” if you’ve got out options. Fully frame and no need for a gimbal? Yea I’d buy one in a heartbeat. 

Looks pretty good....
The poor-shooters Alexa 65?

Better image, DR, and usability for non sport situations 

For Sale
Blackmagic 4k.
Blackmagic 6k.
Blackmagic Studio.
Sony A7S3, AX53.
Wanted
GoPro 12

Just watched this video from Jimmy on Film and it's right up there in terms of useful and entertaining content..
His examples were really convincing in terms of creating a realistic re-creation of different times of day:




and that wasn't even the point of the video - it was just an example of the broader point he was making.  He even included lighting diagrams etc.
I don't normally post stills etc from videos, but this is an example of the highest level of YT content - it's a clear and simple explanation of an extremely powerful concept, it includes specific details such as diagrams and specific numbers (in this case colour temperatures) but is straight-forward and entertaining too.
This is the stuff that really shows you how pathetic the rest of camera YT is.