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What about the 58mm f0.95 from Nikon rumoured at $4-6K? where are the LOLZ about that one? Lack of affordable primes? Canon has a 35mm f1.8 with IS & Macro for $499. That's $350 cheaper than Nikon's 35mm f1.8 for Z series. Now I get the disappointment over the 4K crop. It's massive, amounts to no standard, it's just plain annoying. The workaround for FF (and yes there shouldn't be one) is to shoot FHD. 4K for close-up shots. I feel like one of those EF adapters should have been a focal reducer and/or that the new lens line-up should have included a fast ultra-wide angle.

Only workaround is simply to shoot 1080p. FF stills & video. Obviously not the camera for FF 4K. That boat sailed (or should i say sunk) about 20 hours ago!

I guess you were shooting 1080p because XH1 has a 4K crop. In fact it's almost the exact same crop (1.7x). It's less noticeable with native lenses cuz they're made for APS-C but it wouldn't be the ideal candidate for that type of job, again unless you're shooting 1080p in which case the EOS R would also not give you a crop in between stills/video.

Oh i agree with you.. most of these YT "reviews" shouldn't at all be called "reviews". Some have the decency of calling it a preview or hands-on. Of course the companies doing these big group launch events are counting on the press to make simultanuous buzz over their secret product reveal to echo the hype. Pretty sure Apple invented or at least mastered the art of what is known as the keynote event, with a big stage introduction & then quick hands-on for attendees. So again nothing really new here.. and then you got the "teasers" and the "leaks" which have internet forums going crazy over wild speculation (of course we're all victims here of it). At least Canon didn't do the whole countdown thing with endless teaser vids. what a relief.

That is a good point.. but what are these youtube/blog guys supposed to do then? refuse invites to gear they cover? Set limits to what's acceptable? Or start a strike towards ambitious out of town launch events? Serious question. I know some of these guys have said (i think it was Tony & Chelsea) they've been banned from product launches from certain companies they've critiqued in the past. If true now that's seriously messed up. But I don't think any of these guys are on a payola system or anything, even though they get called shills all the time by various angry fanboys. They get flown around for PR events, does that pump them up a bit? maybe, didn't seem the case today here again. Are they losing their independance? Perhaps, if they're bad journalists/reviewers. In the end, a lot of it is subjective opinion by mainly photographers that know little about video, and if anything i've found critiquing gear (extensively) seems to be the trend. Maybe it generates more clicks i dunno. I try and weed out the crap and form my own opinion anyways.

I knew all hell was gonna break lose today and everybody is entitled their opinions but calling people morons for being interested in purchasing this camera, or calling it a rip-off is just wrong & uncalled for. People have the right to be interested in this camera and nobody is forcing them to buy it. We all have different needs & backgrounds. So let's just all settlle down shall we? Canon hinted at 2 other bodies coming. My guess is they're IBIS & next-gen sensor tech is still in R&D but they wanted to respond quickly to Nikon and this is what came out of it. This is their first effort, not the end all be all. I was expecting far worst actually, and at a higher price. Not trying to make excuses either, the severe 4k crop blows as is the HFR & lack of IBIS. They did make up for it in other parts (Eye AF, DPAF + Focus guide MF, 10-bit out, Control ring, VariND adapter etc) and the lens line-up is pretty impressive. Nikon have I feel a much better rounded product with no major flaws, but it kinda lacks in flavor / fun-factor, especially the lenses. Feels like a more rugged industrial Sony clone. Can't say i find myself terribly excited about it even though i know it's the superior tool. As always I'll reserve final judgement until I try these out in person but the jury is still out as far as i'm concerned, the lens system being the real tipping point for me.

Are yall really this naive? This has been going on for decades, if not centuries. I worked at a tech press agency in the early 00's and we got invited all over europe for product releases.. Sony, Nokia, Apple.. Open bars, buffets, gift bags...etc.. The first iPod, we all got to take one home.. I get this may shock people, and I can't say i condone such practices but like it or not it's pretty standard within the industry. I also don't get why Canon is being singled-out here. Nikon flew the same guys out to NYC 2 weeks ago, gave them helicopter tours. Sony flew them to Las Vegas for A73 launch, had them on dune buggies etc.. i didn't hear any outrage over that and the outcoming reviews. Finally i didn't find DPreview or Jared Polins after-launch videos to be in any way apologetic towards the product? If anything they all seemed very jet-lagged & tired out, so maybe Hawai wasn't even that brilliant of an idea. Just my $0.2

Yeah I'm hoping there will be an RF to EF adapter as indeed i'd be weary of spending $2-3K on a lens system with a single body. would be great if RF glass were backwards compatible so I could also use them on my C100, 5D etc.. would be interesting to know if that's possible. Same goes for Nikon S series glass obviously

Yeah this is an awesome feature for focus pulls, never thought i'd see it outside of Canon's C line.

Yeah it's not like cinema cameras aren't just sitting still, as MILCS start catching up, they surely will jumpleap to 8K, internal Raw, etc. Also FS7 has got a lot more going on than 10-bit 4K. It records proper DCI 4K in ALL-I codec at bitrates up to 600mbps. You can get raw output, internal ProRes etc with expansions. That's without even counting ergonomics, battery life, XLR, DCI, NDs etc.. it's still a very popular camera option and top moving unit at rental houses.

@no_connection no i don't expect hollywood to be using the EOS R, my point however was that 10-bit 4:2:2 Log has it's relevance, on a tripod, on a gimbal, maybe even handheld with IS. I'll probably mainly be using it in 1080p so the crop/RS isn't even an issue.. @Shield3 that's a common misconception.. the amount of light is the same. try it yourself by switching from FF to APS-C if your camera has that function, the image doesn't get darker.. same if you crop a photo, doesn't change the lighting. plenty of videos explaining this, i like this one with the light meter analogy: https://youtu.be/VeQPtk7icjo

@no_connection Most hollywood productions are locked tripod shots with a S35 crop. I think 10-bit 4:2:2 Log will be very useful in a handful of "static" situations. @Shield3 Yeah i already aknowledged that.. was only half serious with that comment anyways but since we're getting technical it should be reminded that although DoF increases while cropping, an F1.2 or F2 remains the same as far as light gathering is concerned.. so no stops are lost.

I hate bad RS but not everyone is doing whip pans & fast action shots. It'll be more then usable for corporate interviews, product shots, tripod work etc. Lack of 120fps @ 1080p is inexcusable however.

Release schedule:

Yeah I'm not ashamed of saying my XT2 is on it's way out, and the EOS R will be replacing it. It'll be a perfect B-cam to my C100 (or maybe it'll be the other way around!) The 4k crop sucks but i've been living with that same exact crop just fine on the XT2. Will probably need to get the Sigma 18-35mm F1.8 and a new gimbal. I'll probably mostly still shoot in 1080p, with cropped 4K shots for punching-in or product close-ups. I'm real excited about 10-bit CLog & Focus Guides for MF. Smooth aperture control via ring adapter for my EF legacy glass & Eye-AF is a cool bonus too. Overall this is satisfactory for my needs at the given price point. Would not have paid 5D4 money for it though.

Easy just assign multifunction bar to 1080p <-> 4K resolution, and voilà!

Oops caught me slippin on my crop math!

Hey look at it this way, that 50mm 1.2 can double as a 85mm 1.2 in 4K ! Yay!

Anyone do the math on the crop factor? it's looking way more than 1.6x

That's a typo.. Canon state "4:2:0 8-bit internal": There is an 8-bit & 10-bit CLog setting...?

There is Electronic IS, so combination IS is probably lens IS + digital IS. 4k crop is a bummer. RS is even worst. Best hope is for much improved (M50 like) FF 1080p. I'll probably be getting one though: Eye AF, DPAF, Focus guides, Clog & 10-bit out, Vari ND.. pretty good for a $2K Canon

Focus Guides + Peaking

Full specs: Movie TypeRecording Formate: MP4< /br>Video:MPEG-4 AVC/H.264, variable (average) bit rate< /br>Audio:For editing (ALL-I): linear PCM< /br>Standard (IPB), Light (IPB): AAC Movie Size4K (3840x2160), Full HD (1920x1080), HD (1280x720)< /br>High Frame Rate movies: HD< /br>HDR Movies:< /br>With RF/EF lenses: Full HD< /br>With EF-S lenses and movie cropping: HD< /br>Time-lapse movies: 4K/Full HD Frame Rate 119.9p/59.94p/29.97p/24.00p/23.98p (with NTSC)< /br>100.0p/50.00p/25.00p/24.00p (with PAL)< /br>* 119.9p/100.0p used for High Frame Rate movies Compression Method For editing (ALL-I), Standard (IPB), Light (IPB) Bit rate/Card performance requirements (writing/reading speed)4K (29.97p/25.00p/24.00p/23.98p)/For editing (ALL-I)< /br>Approx. 480 Mbps/UHS-II, Video Speed Class 60 or higher< /br>4K (29.97p/25.00p/24.00p/23.98p)/Standard (IPB)< /br>Approx. 120 Mbps/UHS-I, UHS Speed Class 3 or higher /br>Full HD (59.94p/50.00p)/For Sound Recording Built-in stereo mics, external stereo mic jack provided< /br>Sound-recording level adjustable, wind filter provided, attenuator provided Headphone Headphone terminal provided, volume adjustable Cropped Movies Available Movie Digital IS Available (Enable/Enhanced) HDR Movies Available Time-Lapse Movies 4K or Full HD Time Code Can be appended Canon Log Available for card recording (when set to 8-bit) and HDMI output (when set to 8-bit/10-bit) Remote Control Shooting Available Still Photo Shooting Not available during movie recording HDMI Output Image output without information display available< /br>* 4K output supported; Auto/1080p selectable ---------- Eye AF also supported ---------- Price info: Body = 237,000 yen [$2127 / €1840] 28-70 2 = 420000 Y = $3769 24-105 4 IS = 155000 Y = $1390 50 1.2 = 325000 Y = $2916 35 1.8 IS Macro = 75000 Y = $673

Canon Log & Focus Guides is a go!