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No not really. 1DX2 is still Canon's flagship pro camera body today. Why would they put those specs on a mid-range camera costing a third of its price? Furthermore, 1DX2 is above-all an action/sports photography camera. To achieve its FPS etc it uses a 20MP sensor + 2 Digic processors. Those specs happened to serve it's video side well, but there is again no reason EOS R should be having those specs. Just like Z6/Z7 are D750/D850 mirrorless versions & don't compete with the 20MP Nikon D5 that came out same year as 1DX2. All that being said EOS R does trump 1DX2 in a few video areas: it has C-log, Peaking, Focus guides, a more efficient codec & 10-bit out.

Because EOS R isn't considered a high-end cam, it's a mirrorless version of the 5D4. Canon's all-rounder. EOS RP will be the 6D2 version. And the pro EOS R(X?) will indeed be closer to 1DX2. Also, it isn't just about the sensor, 1DX2 has dual DIGIC processors inside. Bigger mount, less flange distance = better optics. Extra contacts allowing dual IS communication, extra lens correction..etc, new lens ring control. The size difference on the 70-200mm speaks volumes; going from this: To this: That one alone is going to be a game-changer after the pro body drops..

Every camera company segments their products. Even Panasonic who seem to always get a free pass around here are holding back video features on S1 to protect their GH series. That said I don’t believe Canon are intentionally crippling their cameras on the 4K crop or RS level. It’s just the best their current sensors can currently do. The real innovation for now in the EOS mirrorless system comes from the new mount & RF Lens design.

Canon is the only major camera manufacturer that still develops its own sensors in-house. Just about every other camera brand goes to Sony, who have cutting-edge sensor technology. So yes, Canon are behind in sensor tech which explains the recycling of old sensors in their current mirrorless cameras. They have acknowledged the 4K crop limitation and are said to be actively working on it. We’re all hoping the new sensors will appear on the upcoming pro model later this year (1DX2 already being the Canon camera with the least crop & RS in 4K).

For someone mainly taking photos, the 5D2 (or even 5D1) at sub-$500 is imo one of the best deals as it gives you access to full frame, great color science, decent AF as well as FF FHD & FF Raw video as a bonus. That said, if it didn't click with you then yeah perhaps move on. it's a big old clunky camera by today's standards. maybe try mirrorless. you can adapt Canon glass to most mounts out there..

I think Snowbro got a lemon, I’ve had EOS R since day one and have travelled with it across six countries already with zero bugs or freezes. Banding is also a total non issue imo: https://***URL removed***/forums/post/61799696 The camera has its well documented issues & limitations, namely poor RS & a massive 4K crop but other than that i find it’s an ace mirrorless cam for stills & video. UI/Ergonomics are also excellent imo, if balance or handling with big lenses is an issue just add the vertical grip. Obviously if you compare it to a $6K 1DX2 it may fall short in certain areas. As for EF vs RF, clearly the new mount allows for superior optics design but also the new electronic contacts allow the configurable electronic ring control and two-way communication for enhanced lens IS. Even more functionality is expected in the future. All this comes at a price though and with only EOS R/RP for bodies it’s a questionable investment at the moment for those invested in the full ecosystem range (EF based DSLRS & C line). Also the upcoming Vari-ND adapter favors even more the use of adapted EF glass on EOS R for video. EF still has a few years left ahead and even when Canon will have developed a full range of RF bodies & lenses, that will only mean cheaper second hand EF glass.

Another thing they may do is 4K without ALL-I codec & no C-log / 10bit out. DPAF really should remain. It's Canons crown jewel..

I know its Canon but it does sound rather goofy to release a non 4K mirrorless in 2019. Especially considering the $600 M50 does 4K. Yeah 4K with no DPAF sounds like a Canon thing they would do!

That's the million dollar question, will Canon go the lazy route and just spit out a repackaged 6D2 (most likely scenario) or will they surprise us with that rumored 1.5x 4K crop and C-Log ?

Here it is.. 26.2 Million Pixels Full Size Sensor Dual pixel CMOS AF DIGIC 8 Continuous shooting performance: 5 frames / sec ISO sensitivity: 100 to 40000 (equivalent to extended ISO: 50, 51200, 102400) Organic EL EVF 3.0 type touch panel variable angle liquid crystal Dual Sensing IS DLO in camera, RAW development in camera, C-RAW compatible Size: 132.5 x 85.0 x 70.0 mm Weight: Approximately 440 g (body only), about 485 g (including batteries?) Kit lens: RF 24 – 105 mm F 4 L IS USM

Watch the video above. They share the same sensor but everything else is pretty much improved. Also keep in mind Canon will be announcing the EOS RP next week. If the latest rumors are true, brand new 24MP sensor and video specs might even be better than EOS R.. for $1300.

Deter me probably not.. but again i've definitely noticed some differences in loudness, speed & smoothness of the AF especially with fast USM glass (F1.2/1.4). The difference becomes more important when shooting stills imo, as all the AF points on EOS R are horizontal line type and not line & cross types like on DSLRs. (same on Z6/Z7 btw). in certain low contrast situations, it can become a real problem and i already got the AF fail red box on EOS R while my 5D nailed the shot instantaneously. this is why for me at this point mirrorless isn't yet on par with DSLRs in the most demanding of situations.. a few? i've only heard of that 18-135mm & a 70-300mm EF. personally, I'm excited about the upcoming 5 new L series Nano-USM RF lenses to add to the 3 current ones.

It isn't really that simple. Canon uses two types of lens motors STM & USM. On legacy EF glass, STM will give smoother & more silent AF results for video. With RF USM they use a new nano-USM tech that gives STM like smooth & silent video AF performance. Now from my legacy glass adapted on EOS R experience, USM EF glass is louder & a bit less responsive than on a Canon DSLR. (YMMV depending on lens). STM EF is about the same.

Yeah but the R uses a 2.5 year old 30MP sensor. Yeah sorry I meant out of the big sensor cameras (Super35 and above). Its worthy to note though that I’ve never heard a viewer complain about RS. It’s only to us camera nerds / content creators that it gets talked about..

RS on EOS R is poor in 4K. That said if you’re shooting car chases or fight scenes RS will be an issue on most cameras (even pro cine cams unless you’re shooting an Alexa or GS camera). I often notice RS skewing in big budget TV/Hollywood productions (just the other night watching The Sinner on a bridge shot). RED even has an article on it: https://support.red.com/hc/en-us/articles/236069387-8K-Sensors-and-Rolling-Shutter-Skew-Effects They also suggest reducing the resolution to counter the issue. I do this all the time on EOS R, mainly to get FF shots (you can easily switch from FHD to 4K with custom movie settings) but also to combat RS. I just know when I’m in 4K to slow down camera movements. It’s far from ideal, it’s clearly a workaround the 4K crop & RS. Hopefully EOS RP’s 24MP sensor will have similar or better RS performance to other 24MP cameras (A7III/Z6) as it probably won’t supersample.

Just saw the new RF lenses.. expensive but impressive, especially these 3: RF 15-35mm F2.8 IS (finally a wide angle zoom with IS) then look at this bad boy: RF 70-200 F2.8 IS RF85mm F1.2 So basically state of the art top notch pro lenses & a very affordable body entry to the system. Kinda makes sense. This makes me think we’ll be seeing the pro RX body & RF cine cam sooner than later too..

$1300 for a FF stills & Super35 4K video cam with CLog & DPAF sounds like a pretty sweet deal if true. That totally undercuts the FF competition, and even XT3 on price alone. Seems very unlike Canon to me, but maybe EOS R / RF lenses aren’t selling enough and with their recent expectation of the market shrinking substantially they’ve decided to get super aggressive in attempt to get max people on board their new system ?

Listen, I'm a happy Canon user, so yes you will find me generally speaking positively about products I own in Canon related threads. The difference is I don't go into other brand threads I don't own (and have zero intention of owning) to troll & toot my own horn..

That may be your own personal conclusion, but many photographers & videographers would obviously disagree. Body specs aren't everything. Albeit certain limitations, as a complete ecosystem, Canon have imo the most appealing lineup (for my type of work) that give great results with minimum fuss. Again more & more single operators. Current trend is also 'body per lens' type of shoot. 2 or 3 bodies and a bag of lenses. A perfect setup for that is a C100/200 as A-cam, 5D4/1DX2 as a B-cam & EOS R as a C-cam (on gimbal, motorized slider). I would only trust Canon with their DPAF for that type of shoot:

I am not looking at it in "Canon-land" simply observing with my own eyes the professional scene in my location, Paris France, which visibly differs much from your own local observations (which I am not disputing btw). That said, living and working in the number one fashion capital of the world, I think I do know a bit about that scene. So to hear " mILC have a bigger share there, for sure " is rather a surprise. From celebrity model studio shoots to fashion editorials, to the runway or even street bloggers during Fashion week... I'd say it's 95% CaNikon. And 80% of that 1DX2/5D3/5D4. Battery life, weather sealing, FPS, balance with telephoto lenses, portrait orientation control. Flagship DSLR still own that market. Canon edges it off with skintone CS. For video, I think it also depends. TV/Broadcast isn't the only market. We're shifting more & more towards digital content by one man bands. In the rental houses I visit, i see just as much Canon gear getting rented out then Sony. I also know showrunners that swear only by RED/ARRI. YMMV.

sports photography, wedding photography, fashion etc.. they basically dominate all pro photography where DSLR still reigns supreme. and in couple years when DSLR dies out, their MILC bodies will have fully caught up and have a solid RF lens lineup pro photogs will still gush over. For cine cams, DPAF on the C line simply has no competition and therefore is still the preferred solution for many run & gun, docu, events, corporate shooters. For broadcast, C300II is still a top choice with 12-bit 444 internal 2K, but sure Sony took some shares with FS7 & cheaper e-mount lens options. As for the future, Canon intends on paving the way for 8K in their upcoming C line refresh in time for Tokyo 2020, so i wouldn't bury them at all yet.

Riiiight, because your comment doesn't come off at all like Sony fanboyism. You might have had a case if you were using an A9 series (rest aren't even weather sealed). But the A6300... better than Canon.. for sports really? Cmon. The joke of the LCD rear display with less than 1M px (not even half of EOS R's resolution) requires that monitor on top. Lack of ergonomics means you need that side handle. That camera has worst RS than EOS R (more than double in FHD), overheats after like 15mn, AF nowhere near DPAF, no touchscreen, no IBIS/IS, weak battery life etc.. Yeah what a pro solution over Canon that camera is ? Better not rain during the game.. meanwhile Super Bowl last year: RIP CANON ?

EF-S is not Canon's Super35 4K ready professional lens lineup, this is: PROFESSIONAL VIDEO SOLUTIONS | CINEMA LENSES Very expensive for the most part but you can always rent. There are also many EF Super35 cine lens options from the top third-parties (Zeiss, Xeen etc) . Sony E-mount also have a good range of pro cine native & third party lenses. Fuji's X-mount only has two MK pro cine zoom lenses. The regular photo lenses aren't that great for video imo (pulling focus manually isn't easy). It would be nice of course if they did develop a cine cam and added some fast cine primes to MK series.

The way I see EOS R is a great 30MP FF stills & FF FHD camera with a cropped 4K mode. I rarely shoot 4K handheld on any camera so it’s mono/tripod/gimbal for 4K which tend to minimize RS. Unless you need ultra wide angles something like the Sigma 18-35mm F1.8 works great for standard needs in 4K. Then my 50mm primes turn into 85’s..etc Not trying to make any excuses for Canon, I’d love no crop / good RS in 4K but I guess you just learn to workaround issues.. while we await the higher end model! I do understand though why other system users wouldn’t fathom switching given the limitations. The battery life is pretty good though, close to DSLR. With the grip and 2 batteries fitted I haven’t run into any problems even on full day shoot.