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Not necessarily. Sony was sneaky and removed the mechanical shutter on FX30. So if you're a hybrid shooter and invested in FF lenses, chances are the FX3 is still going to appeal to you. 4K120p on FX30 also has a big crop. FX3 sensor has better lowlight, DR & a third less RS. That said, I am surprised by the low entry point. Pretty aggressive move. Then again anything higher and it was competing with XH2S which has much better specs and is a true hybrid. The only thing FX30 really has over it is AF, which is not negligible. LUT support. And the active cooling. Lack of shutter angle and DCI 4K remains rather baffling but I guess the camera is more oriented towards videographers than filmmakers. This one isn't going to replace my good old FS7. Solid B-cam though perhaps. Its kinda hard to get really excited about this camera as it doesn't really bring much new but a more affordable option.

nah very good thermal ratings under normal conditions. non issue. if you're shooting in very hot environments though the fan exists..

speaking of multiple camera systems, I'm strongly considering pulling trigger on a Fuji XH2S and the open gate mode would tempt me to check out anamorphic lenses. I was set on the EF to X mount metabones cine speed booster with lock (not just for anamorphic but for most of my EF lens compatibility): but I guess purely for anamorphics, the PL version would be better?

In case you haven't been following rumour mill there is one more video oriented APS-C camera coming: FX30. So far all we know is: 26MP 4k120p Same FX3 body Almost the same FX3 video specs Announcement in late September $2500 It basically sounds like an XH2S (Sony) sensor in FX3 body. But no way will Sony give us 6.2K Open Gate. Cine EI, LUT support, Sony AF and active cooling might still win me over as it would be the perfect B-cam to my FS7.

Not even close to being similar price points though. R5C is twice as expensive, has 50% more rolling shutter, 2 stops less DR, no open gate, no ProRes and no IBIS compared to XH2S. XH2/XH2S pack a lot of bang for your buck imo.

We all have different requirements so it seems Fuji was smart to make these 2 camera versions. XH2S stands for speed, both in stills and video with the stacked sensor allowing super fast 14-bit readout. XH2 stands for resolution, also both in stills (45MP) & video (8K). So they are both aimed at hybrid shooters imo, XH2S more towards action/sport/wildlife photographers where AF & burst is critical and videographers that want solid AF, low rolling shutter, high frame rate, extra DR and open-gate. And XH2 for hybrid shooters that value high resolution for print, cropping, stab in post, extra detail & 8K stills extraction.

Yeah there is a crop mode which is something most FF mirrorless have. They call it digital zoom so maybe something similar to Sony's clear zoom. According to Vistek, 4K60p has indeed a 1.14x crop: https://youtu.be/XLq1Ib3IPgw (5:45) That's quite negligible to me but hey if its a deal breaker to you then that's that. Much more of a deal breaker to me is no 4K12Op, the very average XT4 AF & rolling shutter. No 14-bit readout meaning less DR and no open-gate mode.

I also heard there was a very slight crop in the 4K60p mode. I think 1.15x or something rather negligible but I can't find the exact info in text. It would be of course an additional crop to the APS-C sensor size.

Wow that was some of the best footage I've seen yet from this camera. Props to the filmmaker. 6.2K Open gate + Speedbooster for FF + vintage glass at 24fps is really a look that I covet/desire! It's getting harder and harder for me to resist going in on the system. By the way the XH2 was announced couple days ago in relative silence. It comes in cheaper at $2100 has 45MP stills and has 8K + oversampled 4K with ProRes. The sensor isn't stacked which means XT4 type rolling shutter & AF. And no open-gate either. Still quite interesting for hybrid shooters and an entry price for 8K if that's your thing. For me XH2S remains the target.

The big advantage of FX3/FX30 over A7SIII are the cine features with the last firmware update: Cine EI modes (big deal completely changes how you expose) LUT support & TC. Then you've got the cageless form factor. Still no shutter angle or WFM like the R5C though. Not surprised the FX3 overheated as its basically an A7SIII which we know overheats. Hopefully the smaller sensor inside FX30 means it will be less prone to overheating..

Another strong benefit of EF lenses on RF mount is it allows speed boosting on crop sensor cameras and the Vari-ND adapters, although sadly we will only have access to the official Canon ones now I guess.

FF doesn't always mean "better image quality". REDs & ARRIs would strongly disagree! Of course we shouldn't expect that level of IQ from a $2500 Sony but this isn't your run of the mill APS-C camera. Again depending on the sensor & specs this might be a popular choice. In any case its nice to have options and more affordable true hybrids like FX30 & R7C are welcome to the market.

Its a little sad to see you guys argue like that, I'd expect that on dpreview forums but not here. There is no absolute when it comes to lenses imo. We all have different goals and preferences. I personally hate zooms, my brain just works better with primes. I'm all about that fixed focal length. That said, I'm not shooting sports/action like gt3rs, where I gather getting the shot is the only thing that counts. And that ties into his perspective of optically better is superior. I get that and his observations are interesting. Again personally, none of that matters. In fact the more CA, vignetting, even softness can equate to lens character. There are also other factors like micro-contrast and 3D pop that I find are often better on primes. Not to the extreme or for every situation though, let's not get silly but case in point being the infamous EF 50mm F1.2. I have to chuckle when gt3rs says its "useless for photo". A good friend of mine uses that lens exclusively for photography and has his work exposed in numerous exhibits.. I'm also a big fan of that lens both for photo & video (we nickname it the Hattori Hanzō). I understand his perspective though, it's no secret the lens is soft wide open and has a bunch of CA. again, for sports/action its probably a terrible lens choice. But for artistic purposes, that dreamy look is key. Same goes I'm sure for Canon's FD "dream" lenses and all kinds of cult vintage lenses. So there you have it really.. zoom vs primes, modern vs vintage lens designs. There is no right/wrong choice, just whatever suits you best. No need to insult one another over their personal preferences. Getting back to the original discussion, thinking about it some more, Canon shutting down third lens manufacturers is going to hurt the system. I guess that means no more Sirui RF too, so no more native anamorphics etc. Bad move for us customers..

It will certainly come down to the sensor and specs. Hopefully it uses the 26MP XH2S stacked sensor. By the way A7IV becomes APS-C in 4K60p, has terrible rolling shutter, no 4K120p and overheating issues. In the end, it probably won't convert FF Sony shooters but rather aimed at S35 FS5/FS7 users like myself that are used to the crop factor and have according lenses like the Sigma 18-35 etc.

Didn't really see this one coming: 26MP APS-C sensor similar FX3 body and similar FX3 specs same FX3 interface (from latest firmware) unconfirmed: Price around $2,500 announcement in late September (Source: SAR) If the rumoured price is confirmed this could be quite disruptive as it would be almost half the price of an FX3 and by far the cheapest FX line camera. The latest FX3 firmware adds LUT support, Cine EI modes & timecode sync. So basically a GH6, XH2S & R7 competitor.

Yeah bummer but not really surprising considering Canon is trying to hard sell its RF lenses. They even quit EF production in effort to push RF sales..

Wow, thanks for such thorough feedback! Also being on Canon system (R6) its good to hear Astia matches with SOOC Canon although I'd probably shoot log if trying to match two different camera brands. I hear you on the XH2S ergonomics. I handled one briefly at the store and was a little confused although its been several years since I operated a Fuji. To me the biggest downside is that they removed the top dials to go with PSAM and front/back dials. The whole appeal of X camera body ergonomics is gone. Dumb move imo. Lack of exposure tools and probably things like magnify during recording are also long withstanding. Fuji don't have a cine line to protect so I just don't understand why they still haven't integrated more serious video assist tools. I hate having to use external monitor. As for the video AF, it seems it has considerably improved but is still missing tap to track subjects/objects. It can only track via automatic detection. So that's a big minus versus Canon/Sony. Especially if your doing robotic automation like you're saying, could almost be a deal breaker for ya? R5C does tick many boxes for me but then again I feel like dropping $5K on it won't dramatically improve the IQ I'm already getting with the R6 that also shoots FF 10-bit 422 Clog3 oversampled 4K. And I'd be losing IBIS which is something I don't wanna compromise on a small mirrorless body. I do more and more handheld with IBIS and find it ultra liberating. Also the horrible battery life means rigging which again kinda defeats the purpose of a small mirrorless. So if I'm dropping $5K it would probably be on a no compromise C70 cine cam: DGO sensor, low RS, CLog2, NDs, HDMI, XLRs..etc But yeah for $2500-$3K the XH2S is a very neat package. Clients ask more & more for horizontal plus vertical content so that 6.2K Open Gate seems like the ideal capture method for such hybrid deliveries. That alone has got me excited on the XH2S. I also wanna venture into anamorphic for creative projects, kind of a bummer there is no desqueeze view in-cam but maybe with a firmware update..

It seems quite a few of us were on Fuji for some time and then moved on. They are back to being that really niche company nobody is really hyped about. and that's kind of good in my book, I'd go as far as to say that even appeals to me. I hate having the same gear as everyone and Fuji has its own kind of visual imprint. The hardware too with the top dials & compact lenses. It's kind of like Leica, without the prestige & price tag. I'm not about to ditch Canon or Sony by the way. Too invested in them, and they do the job, I can operate them with my eyes shut. But that's also the problem, they're utilitarian, boring. Fuji is a breath of fresh air, even the idiosyncrasies make you work a little different. Long story short, I have humongous GAS for this XH2S. It really ticks the boxes as far as feature ratio/price. Adding a fourth system is a little nuts but my projects are really diversified and this would be my creative/experimental system for more artsy/fine art projects. @MrSMW What did you end up pulling trigger on?

I hear you, I left the system after XT2 and was hesitant to come back ever since. But I do miss some things like the AA Filterless Xtrans sensor, the film simulations etc. The newer gen lenses also seem to be much better for video AF and you've got third party anamorphic lenses plus metabones smart adapters now too. What attracts me is the 6.2K Open Gate mode, ProRes, 4K120p and the stacked sensor with ultra low RS. That's all really nice features on a $2.5K body with IBIS. Plus Flog 2 & the film simulations, that could all lean me back towards Fuji. I also just like that it's a different vibe from CaNikon/Sony. Perhaps I'll be the first here to pull the trigger!

Goes without saying but R5 is also 3 times the price of R7. 😉

Gotcha you were on the old firmware.. definitely upgrade to 1.6 it supposedly fixes the overheat warning.

Interesting to hear the R5 still overheats albeit in hotter environments. I guess the R5C is still ahead of it for reliability purposes alone. Thanks for sharing that, was considering a second hand R5 since the latest update but no longer.

So nobody here purchased the camera? I'm so close to pulling trigger. With the metabones it seems like a killer hybrid:

Same here. Also another tip for Canon shooters, assign a button to toggle AF on/off. Not only will this help you in many tricky AF situations, its also good practice to always turn off AF when not necessary as it also consumes a lot of battery working the lens motors etc..

Here is another R5C extra secret bonus hack: Turn the camera off when you're not shooting. I'm kidding, Canon should obviously address this. Poor battery life is what is keeping most away from this camera. Sounds like its Achilles heel..