Mattias Burling

6 hours ago, IronFilm said:

Even the wording in the phrase "full frame" is itself one of the biggest marketing wins Canikon has ever pulled off!

Making many newbie (and not so newbie!) photographers (has leaked over and infected filmmakers too) feel inadequate if they have anything less than their "full" frame. 

Yup, I wonder if its traceable to see who was first to rename it from "Small Picture" or "Tiny Picture" as it is/was called in most countries. To "Full Frame" or the now quite common here in Sweden "Full Format". 

Older professional photographers and those of us still shooting film still say "Small Picture" (småbild) but youngsters and newcomers all say "Full Format".

4 hours ago, webrunner5 said:

That is the problem with the Micro to me over the BMPCC, you might as well have a Canon C300.

It does look a bit Frankenstein. But it still won me over for now. The new owner of my BMPCC4K emailed to let me know he is a happy camper.

Looking passed the image quality, which I preferred on the Micro. It felt like any time I really want an unobtrusive and easily used handheld camera I would use the EOS-R anyway. There are very few instances when it's 400mbit HD isn't good enough for me. And the DIS works a treat.

But like I said, the BMPCC4K is a great tool, lovely to use and I definitely will buy another when prices have come down.

11 hours ago, StHubbins said:

Hmm, what is this Breakoutbox you speak of? Is that Phil Lemon's project, or a standard breakout box?

Same guy that sells the Arri Rosette, he has a thread here in the Raw Camera Section, it's almost at the top.

Agreed, the BMPCC is also easy. But once rigged (I never take it apart) the Micro is like most cameras if you are in somewhat consistent lighting conditions (changing WB without a remote is annoying to say the least).

But those sort of things are a bit annoying on the original pocket as well. The BMPCC4K is more like the BMCC there. 

Another nice thing with a Breakoutbox is that I can power both the camera and screen with the same battery. And since the screen accepts both Sony and Canon batteries it gives me options. On the BMPCC4K you obviously don't need to since it's screen is big enough.

17 minutes ago, StHubbins said:

Yeah, the biggest problem with my Micro is that it is literally the most difficult camera to use in the history of cameras... and that's from an owner of the original BMPCC. To get my Micro to work, I've needed

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A positive is that buying the Micro today used includes all you need. Fully rigged kits go for peanuts while people jump to the new one. Once the sales of the BMPCC4K has settled the prices might swing up again. 

I had several to choose from before settling on kit with the camera, small rig cage, metabones bmpcc speedbooster, Ursa side grip, 512gb SanDisk Extreme, Breakoutbox, HDMI Clamp, arri rosette and a bunch of other little nick nacks. Set me back less than the retail of the camera alone.

Added a screen and I was good to go.

It's the same with the BMCC, BMPCC and the BMPCC. Loads of accessories in already affordable kits.

But I agree, the BMPCC4K is much easier to handle. Shooting it is a breeze. Much closer to the BMCC than the BMPCC. (Which goes nicely together with the not unpopular theory that it was supposed to be the BMCCii.)

Nice camera. For sure. If I had a professional need for it I would love it. But it would never be able to keep up with the work I do.

For hobby use.. staring at my Kipon medium format speedbooster that lets me shoot 400mbit Log with a lesser crop factor than the Fuji... and then over to the $10k which I don't have to spend on camera gear... Pass

But maybe a rental for fun or a specific project in the future.

16 minutes ago, mercer said:

Yup, I’ve been saying to my friends... I’ll buy the GH5 or BMPCC 4K when one or the other hit $1000 or less... meanwhile I’m still on the lookout for a cheap Micro. 

Actually saw a GH5 for $1k including a lens which I could sell for $2-250. So it won't be long, pretty much no hype left surrounding it.

But honestly, the more I shoot with the Micro.. this thing is special.

Same here, will buy it (again) when it's nice and cheap on the used market.

10 minutes ago, mercer said:

That’s good to know but I think you lose some of the “raw” functionality without the BRaw Panel?

Maybe, but I didn't feel I was missing anything of importance

27 minutes ago, mercer said:

Does the new version of Resolve Lite have the BRaw Panel? 

Now that the camera is in stock, a couple BMPCC 4K cameras are popping up without the dongle but even though the software is free with the camera... on the used market, it depreciates to a thousand or less without the software... even if the camera is new.

I used BRaw with Resolve Lite on an old Macbook Pro, never installed the full version.
No issues, was like editing Prores or cDNG, smooth sailing.

Ok this is interesting! How, where, when and how much?

Still in love with the Production cameras image and constantly hover it on classifieds. Seriously cheap these days.

On 10/18/2018 at 11:05 AM, IronFilm said:

"€899.00"

It says €499.

2 hours ago, lucabutera said:

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I see it sitting in an URSA as well. Does it work in other EF cameras (non BMD) as well?

2 hours ago, kye said:

Aren't we simultaneously having two conversations?

1. The P4K is way too sharp!!!  4K and modern cameras aren't cinematic, the Alexa / older BM cameras are all lower res and have magic.
2. The P4K is way too soft!!!!  BRAW is clearly inferior because it smooths fine detail.

Not to mention conversations in other threads that also include:

1. Who needs 4K - 1080 is fine and you can't tell the difference and ...... blah blah blah
2. 8K!!!!!! OMFG!!!!!  ??

You might be confusing sharpness with detail and/or resolution. They aren't the same thing.

That the original pocket and micro introduce false detail due to sharpening in cDNG is hardly news. In BMD/D16 circles it's been discussed for years. So I'm not at all surprised that BMD eknowledge it now when they have Braw.

I also prefer the older sensor but that doesn't mean Im going to deny it's "shortcomings", if one consider them as such.

I agree, I haven't pixel peeped or nitpicked because it gets me nowhere. My tip is to choose the tool that suites you the best over all. It's not rocket science and should be fairly obvious.

Endlessly going over minor details kills creativity for me. Anyway, since I no longer own this camera I will leave the thread for those that do.

Again not my experience. The new sensor is tricky to get different looks on because it behaved very weirdly compared to other cameras Ive tried. Just a personal experience.

I guess they are simply different and suitable for different styles. Simply not my cup of tea and others milage may vary.

1 hour ago, StHubbins said:

The P4K can obviously capture 10x the amount of usable footage that the old ones can. Bright light, low light, no light, it's all good. 

Not my experience, I got better looking footage with the older sensor in all lighting conditions. Specially in dim light (I shoot a lot of murky interiors and lights is not an option).

But its great that others like it and I'm happy for you 

The more that gets to enjoy the Blackmagics the better. I might buy one again in a year or so when they can be had cheap on the used market.

One really positive thing I can say about the new sensor is that SOOC with a in camera LUT looks very good. 

Wow! The camera stores here sell them used with warranty from time to time, but they never ask for 572 euros.. that would never sell.

12 hours ago, osmanovic said:

Hello everybody,

I expected the new Blackmagic Pocket 4K to be slightly better than the old one, but I was wrong and returned the camera. 

Are you of the same conviction?

Friendly greetings.

Yup, same experience. I wanted nothing more than to love the BMCCii.. cough.. I mean BMPCC4K. 
And there was a lot to love like handling, controls, screen, braw, window mode, slowmo, I can make this list really really long.

But there was one single thing where it imo lacked compared to my Micro: Image.

I spent several days shooting side by sides. Then hours in Final Cut and Resolve tweaking and grading. 
The image from the newer camera is nice, no doubt. But the old sensor was just so much better in my eyes. I could spend an hour grading pocket footage to get it good looking. And then on the corresponding Micro clip I just threw on one of my custom presets or even just slap on Filmconvert and it was spot on immediately. It kinda reminded me of the A7sii. Everything was perfect on paper, handling it was fine, footage looked great on the back display but then.. meh..

I packed up the bmpcc4k and shipped it it out to its new owner yesterday. The extra cash went into some more parts for my Micro.
Will make a few different setups that I can flip between depending on the shooting scenario. 
 

40 minutes ago, m43forme said:

In Europe, NX gear is still ridiculously over-priced.

Im located in Europe and the NX1 is practically for free here.
To fetch $540 it needs to include the S-zoom or a couple of nice primes. 

$540 for a NX1.. must have been a gold edition..

The prices on used stuff in some countries is just crazy imo.
 

3 hours ago, IronFilm said:

Why are you getting rid of the BMPCC4K?

It's all about the mage. I've shot side by sides all weekend long and the Micro consistently comes out on top. Both in raw and in Prores. A shame since using the BMPCC4K is an absolute breeze. Love the handling. The window mode and slowmotion is also sweet.

(But I do really enjoy the SOOC image from the BMPCC4K when baking in the built-in LUT. But this camera is not meant for that type of shooting within my arsenal.)

I'm pretty happy with the SWIT cm55. It has Waveform, custom LUTs, etc.

But my favorite features is that it accept both Canon and Sony batteries without using any adapter and can power the camera as well.

Downside is that it's very plasticy.

I have the 7artisans 28mm f1.4. Definitely in the same league as their 50mm. I like it.
Have used it a little for video on a Fuji but will give it a go on my BMMCC or BMPCC4K soon, just need to find my adapter. Will order an adapter for the EOS-R as well.

28 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said:

I've had three where the case separates slightly and the guards between the contacts break off. 

Same here, the separators are super thin and snap. Bummer when Ive had so good experiences before.
On my older Class 10 thats been with me since the BMPCC days have had their lock-button fall off, making them permanently locked.
But given the years of ware and tare I am willing to accept that.

Will look for the Sony cards in Sweden. Im 95% sure I will be selling my BMPCC4K and invest further into my Micro.
So the cards will be needed.

Thanks for the info. I've had most of my SDs since the BMPCC release and they have started to fall apart recently (literally). I do have a 512GB that was included with my Micro, but definitely want more cards in case something happens.

SandDisks newer U3 cards that I use for the EOS-R and BMPCC4K have been a bit sketchy as well. Two physically broke within a week of normal usage. So I'm happy to switch brands after years of using SanDisk only.

2 hours ago, dbp said:

So oranges are reds on the pocket 4K? Hah! I remember finding the reds too orange on the original pocket. 

No it was the original BMCC that had that.