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See page F-30 in the updated S1 user guide (English version here - https://eww.pavc.panasonic.co.jp/dscoi/DC-S1/E_/DC-S1_DVQP1872ZC_full_web_eng.pdf )

Now it's out, the updated user guide for firmware V2.0 lists a few more updates than were mentioned in the news release (European English version is here - https://eww.pavc.panasonic.co.jp/dscoi/DC-G9/EG_EC_EF_EB/DC-G9_DVQP1406ZC_full_eng.pdf - see the 'Firmware Update' section at the end, page F-10 onwards - there are 20 new user guide pages to cover the changes!) In particular, recording to MOV files (with LPCM audio) has been added, including FHD 10-bit 4:2:2 25/30/50/60p at 100 Mbps and 4k 10-bit 4:2:2 24/25/30p at 150 Mbps. The 10bit 4:2:2 4k recording can be in HEVC (72 Mbps MP4 with AAC audio and HLG video) or H264 (150 Mbps MOV with LPCM audio). .

It might also be using temporal filtering (before compression) which can smear motion in some circumstances - remember we are talking about a consumer-grade T6i DSLR here. DesslerLord - have you tried applying softening/motion blur filters during editing to the 4k footage from the modern cameras?

There is a rolling-shutter comparison list here - http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?303559-Measuring-rolling-shutter-put-a-number-on-this-issue!&p=1986288177&viewfull=1#post1986288177

Not the for the 10 minute 4k 50/60p limit. As a G9 owner I'm quite looking forward to the update - and yes, having waited for the G90 to arrive in the market a while back, it wasn't a hard choice to buy a G9 instead, the 4k 50/60 capability and top-notch IBIS is far more important to me than the extended record times of the G90...and I paid less for the G9 than I would have for a G90 ?.

In the UK, Panasonic are now offering £400 cashback on the S1 & S1R family, plus a free Sigma MC-21 Mount Converter (Canon EF to L-Mount) with the body-only versions e.g. an S1 body-only is £1799 after cashback. However it looks like the free DWM-SFU2 firmware upgrade offer has ended... Park Cameras and Wex are also offering 10% off the lenses. https://www.parkcameras.com/lp/panasonic-savings (they are offering a £200 trade-in bonus as well on some models/kits) https://www.wexphotovideo.com/panasonic-lumix-s1-digital-camera-body-1690260/

What lenses do you already own? It sounds like this is daytime use, so I guess low-light isn't really an issue (and you want in-focus background, so you don't need a large aperture lens)? The standard Panasonic 'kit' zooms (the 12-32mm 'pancake', the 12-60mm and various 14-42mm versions) are all fairly 'wide-angle' capable - these are cheap to buy used as they are very common. If 12 mm isn't wide enough then you are getting into more serious wide-angle lenses - some possibilities have already been mentioned. Even then, 7-8 mm as about as wide as you can go without it becoming a high distortion 'fish-eye' lens.

Since you obviously know exactly what's inside a typical Canon camera of this class, could you please explain what extra hardware is associated specifically with providing 24 fps frame rate video capture and encoding (that wouldn't also be used for 25p and 30p)? P.S. I'm a very experienced electronics design engineer, so I can probably understand the technical detail you might provide...

Doesn't [Image Area of Video] (page 238) do the same as [Ex.Tele Conv] for video? - note the [Pixel/Pixel] setting which it implies takes a 1:1 crop from the sensor equal to the selected video resolution, see the picture on page 239. This sounds very like how the Pana micro-4/3 camera [Ex.Tele Conv] works for video. (I don't own the camera, I'm just reading the manual)

I don't think MPEG LA (the licensing company) have ever seriously 'gone after' open-source/freeware codec producers - what's the point in trying to extract money from people who (as they are giving away just a specific *implementation* of the technology) basically don't have any? Also open-source encourages the take-up of the technology, which will ultimately benefit the patent holders that MPEG LA represent - quite a lot of those FFMPEG encoded files will be played on devices and software that are licensed. It's the sellers of products including that technology who need the license i.e. if I used FFMPEG H264 in a product I was selling, it's me that needs a license from MPEG LA and would have to pay a per-product shipped license fee. In any event, the license fees are not very high, there are some MPEG and HEVC costs here - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPEG_LA (for MPEG-2 it's $2 per unit, for HEVC it's $0.20 per unit). Also there are sometimes 'royalty caps' for big users, so you don't pay more than a fixed amount per year irrespective of volume. (Incidentally, the biggest single contributor of patents to the MPEG-4/H.264 portfolio is Panasonic...)

It only does LPCM audio with 4k50p & 4k60p (MP4) - all other modes are AAC (for MP4) or AC3 (for AVCHD). Apart from product differentiation (especially now that the G9 is significantly cheaper than the GH5), I suspect Panasonic wanted to keep the video choices simple on what is supposed to be a stills-oriented camera, hence no LPCM versus AAC choices, or high-bitrate (50/100 Mbps) FHD. For what I do, I normally use either FHD 50p or 4k50p, so 50 Mbps FHD with LPCM is probably the most attractive extra/hidden option.

That works ? (it seems to need a couple of cycles of handshake and connect button pressing though). Once it's connected, the camera LCD will occasionally say it's not connected to the app, but it carries on working OK i.e. accepting commands from the app. Basically, on the G9 it looks like the 'mov' equivalents of the 'mp4' settings work, so you can have LPCM audio instead of AAC in the files. Also some high bitrate .mov versions of 1080p work e.g. 50 Mbps and 100 Mbps (but 72 Mbps locked up the camera - had to remove the battery...). Tried various 10bit, cinema 4k and anamorphic 4k settings - mostly they are ignored when you send them (or they select an AVCHD mode). In one case it did record a file (and Mediainfo said it was 10 bit 4:2:2 AVC1) but the video was just black. So conclusion so far is that the G9 won't do 10 bit, c4k or a4k.

Yes - that didn't appear to work either - but I haven't 'sanity checked' that with the GX80, so that might be finger-trouble on my part. I'll try it again tonight and post the messages from the browser test.

All that works fine with my GX80 (as a sanity check), and the app works OK after the connection is established. But with the G9 it doesn't... One thing I have seen a couple of times (while the app is attempting to connect with the G9) is a message on the LCD screen something like 'The Lumix app needs to be updated' (implying that it's an old Lumix/Panasonic Image app that is trying to connect to it). I wonder if the G9 has some protocol/URL changes compared to the earlier cameras? (the Panasonic Image app seems to get frequent updates - see https://av.jpn.support.panasonic.com/support/global/cs/soft/image_app/ )

I gave the 'LumixVideoFormats' app a try on my G9, but so far it's been very unreliable at communicating with it (but the Panasonic Image app works OK). When I hit the 'connect' button, usually nothing happens for while, then I get error messages popping up in the app (about various URLs failing). I managed to get it to actually put the camera into 'record' mode once, but usually I can't even get it to connect i.e. see the camera going into remote control mode on the LCD. (Note this is using 'direct WiFi connect' mode on the G9, not via an access point etc.) Any ideas? (I'll try it from a different Android device later, just in case that might make a difference).

Given the UK G9 body-only price is currently £950, and earlier in the year the UK cashback on it was £300 for a few weeks (when the body price was higher), £600 as limited period/limited stock promotional price is not out-of-line with that... I don't think it's been selling well, it started out as a £1400 body, then dropped fairly quickly to £1100-1200, then to £950 a month ago.

I have been planning to try it sometime ?

See below, table from the manual for the UK version - 100 Mbps for 4k24p/25p/30p (30 minute limit), 150 for 4k50p/60p (10 minute limit) So yes, same bitrates as the G80, but honestly at £600 it's a steal...

No (it's a stills orientated camera, after all). I own both the G80 and the G9 - compared to the G80 it has the 20M pixel sensor, better IBIS, no-extra-crop 4k at 24p/25p/30p/50p/60p, clean audio from the on-camera mics, really nice looking 1080p, a headphone socket, USB charging and dual SD card slots. It's also faster in operation. Only downsides are that it's larger and heavier, and (for me) the video record button is in a more awkward position - but I just programmed one of the front function buttons to do that instead, problem solved. One of the other front function buttons I use to control the 'IS lock' mode, which is just an amazing feature... So yes, I think it's definitely worth the upgrade from the G80.

Quite... One thing with modding the GX80/85 is that the camera would still be doing all the (IBIS and focusing) noise-suppression processing on the audio. With a proper external mic jack like on the G80/85, the camera knows when an external mic is plugged in, so it can turn all that off (to give you cleaner audio).

As an LX100 (Mk1) owner, I'd agree with that. It's a great camera for stills, and pretty good for video, but it's compromised in various ways to keep it small - the LCD is fixed (and non-touch), the LVF is small, it only uses part of the micro-4/3 sensor area (so it's not really a micro-4/3 camera), the power zoom can be jerky and difficult to set exactly, and the lens is a bit prone to flaring. It's a great camera for its intended (enthusiast compact) market, and I like mine, but it's not a GH4 + 12-35mm F2.8 combo equivalent... These days I'd probably buy a GX80/85 + 12-32mm 'pancake' zoom kit instead, and put a (cheap, lightweight) 25mm F1.7 lens in the bag for really low-light situations.

That matches the results in the dpreview 'Video Still Comparison' images - the 1080p moire looks worse than the Sony A6300/6400/6500 and the A7 III (which also have some at 1080p). That said, at FF 4K it's not visible on the test charts. so are you sure the 4k moire you are seeing is not a result of downscaling in the monitor or software?

Don't forget there have been two firmware updates to the H-FS14140 since those forum threads started - and the Lumix cameras since the GX8 have IBIS/Dual IS/EIS support as well. (But I've no idea if the firmware updates have made any difference to the lens OIS performance when used on a non-IBIS camera)

Both of the 'F3.5-5.6' versions support both 'Dual I.S.' and 'Dual I.S.2' (with the latest firmware installed). But only the G80/G81/G85/G9/G90/G91/G95/GH5 cameras support Dual I.S.2 - the GX8/GX80/GX85/GX9 don't (only Dual I.S.) (Info from the official Panasonic lens/camera Dual I.S. compatibility list).

Just so we know, is this with 4k24p, 4k30, 4k60 or 1080p, and using FF or APS-C mode?