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Ronin m is too expensive for me. And I preferred a one handed gimbal :'( 

I think that no such thing as a nx1 mk2 is going to arrive sooner than late 2016. Rather they could implement new and better profiles via fw in the existing nx1, which as such a powerful hw that could do a lot.

Hey Andrew, I have a suggestion for future reviews in regards to comparing color. The real-life scenes are great and give us an idea of what the cameras deliver in actual shooting scenarios; however, if you're going to make definitive statements about color accuracy and precision, it would behoove you to buy/rent a DSC OneShot/Chroma Du Monde chart, shoot it with both cameras in both daylight and tungsten lighting, then put them up on the vectorscope and do some analysis. Otherwise, the whole thing gets very subjective very fast, and there's no way for other people to adequetely chime in without having the original files and having been there at the exact time you shot it (to know the exact color of the objects and how they appeared in that lighting).

A Macbeth chart would be a step in the right direction. It's not as useful as the OneShot/Chroma Du Monde but a hell of a lot less expensive. Displaying one on an iPad proves nothing and provides no useful information whatsoever. 

At the very least, you should enlist a friend or two to sit in the middle of your test scenes instead of using that book, which may or may not be color accurate and doesn't reflect the skin colors most of us regularly shoot. It's easy. Offer them $10 or a home cooked meal or something, then tell them a funny story while they sit in a chair for 15 minutes. Boom. You're done. If you're having trouble finding people, I'm sure there's an EOSHDer in/close to Berlin who'd love to help. 

If you have any questions about the gear/methodology I'm talking about, feel free to PM me or, better yet, check out Art Adams' articles on the DSC OneShot chart (which he helped design) and his analyses of camera color (on which he's something of an expert).

Cheers.

Started with some colour curves to balance the NX1 shot more towards blue, getting rid of the green cast. Then I just shifted the cool end of the blue spectrum further toward blue with a hue shift, and the warmer end of the green spectrum I shifted towards red with the same method. There were a few other tweaks to the saturation of different hues, but that was pretty much it. Could probably get it closer if I had access to the original files, but it's not bad.
 
I guess it would be possible to make a '1D C' colour profile preset that could be applied to NX1 (or any other camera) if you wanted that particular look. Will post a sony vegas preset if there's demand.

While I do agree that the 1D C is the King of Colours right now, you can get the NX1 remarkably close with some simple CC:


 
Probably better to do some CC for those of us on a budget. Just used the stock tools in Sony Vegas. To me, it shows that the NX1 is actually capturing the colour data, but just representing it in a different way (otherwise you wouldn't be able to bring it back).
 
(NX1 on the bottom btw)

The reviews of cameras flipflop like fish out of water on this site. Take any review with a grain of salt and reach your own conclusions. In regards to the two cameras in this comparision, well here is what was written in previous reviews by the same author. Neither camera has changed, but perhaps that of the reviewer, you decide.
 
The criticism levelled at the NX1 in a recent lab test really missed the point for me. Let’s deal with the supposed weaknesses first. The rolling shutter is no worse than the Canon 1D C in the real world or the Sony A7S’s full pixel readout for that matter. What’s more it is completely expected. It’s a limitation not of the NX1 but of consumer CMOS sensor technology on the cutting edge in 2014, doing these kind of full pixel readouts for the first time. The NX1 does 28MP at up to 30fps. An enormous amount of lines to get through in one scan. The only reason the 1D C and GH4 have marginally less skew is that they both crop the sensor to do that 4K output and don’t read out any more pixels than they have to. The downside is the field of view crop. The NX1 has no field of view crop and does a 6.5K readout. Switch to 1080p mode and you have the least rolling shutter of any DSLR or hybrid camera available today and still no crop. Although quality in 1080p mode is pretty basic due to heavy pixel binning (quite a lot of aliasing) switch to 120fps and quality remains the same, which means that the NX1 actually has the best quality slow-mo for $1500 out there, with the least rolling shutter. You have to get the FS7 for $8k if you want better 120fps 1080p.
 Image quality
At ISO 200 the NX1’s video is so completely free of noise, locked down shots look less like ‘video’ more like high quality stills. There’s zero mosquito noise introduced by the codec like the 5D Mark III suffers from. Also the transport circuits from sensor to image processor seems extremely clean. The result is a silky smooth image but like the 1D C under ISO 400 it too suffers from the occasional bit of banding as a result of being so noiseless. This can be reduced in post. You can add small amounts of film grain to dither the bands together smoothly and use a different transcoding app for H.265. The other solution of course is the Atomos Shogun. I am told Samsung have been in contact with Atomos to ensure compatibility with the Shogun but I don’t know how far along this process is at the time of writing. Philip Bloom says he couldn’t get an image on his beta unit. Hopefully the ones that are shipping will work already. You will need to set the HDMI output to 3840 x 2160 rather than 4096 I think.
The NX1’s sensor produces striking Canon-like colour, which seems to benefit from a stronger signal to noise ratio than the GH4. It doesn’t de-saturate at higher ISOs as much.
Conclusion
Samsung are one of the largest semiconductors manufacturers in the world with one of the biggest investments in chip design R&D. It shows with the NX1. I can’t stress enough how different this camera is under the hood to a high end Canon or Nikon DSLR. As cameras move from the optical / photographic era to the computing era this advantage is going to become more and more pertinent.
 
The sensor is so heat efficient it is able to output 6.5K raw video to feed an internal 4K encoder, running off a CPU that is perhaps 5 years of advances ahead of what Canon have in their $12,000 camera, the flagship 1D C. The NX1 is $1299. Astonishing.
 
Low light performance and image quality vs the Panasonic GH4
What kind of ‘film stock’ is the NX1? Again I’d draw a comparison to RED’s 4K or 6K, it has a modern feel like the Canon C300, punchy and contrasty. Less like Super 16mm and quite different to the more restrained looking GH4.
This new Samsung sensor is a massive step forward for them, indeed the whole industry. In good light this sensor produces really top notch video. Beautiful Canon / Nikon-like colour but with the resolving power of the best 4K cinema cameras. Great dynamic range too, although perhaps 1 stop less in the highlights compared to the GH4 and 5D Mark III Raw.
In good light there is no grain, but there is a LOT of fine detail. And it doesn’t look TOO sharp, it’s a bit softer than the GH4 with sharpness dialled all the way down on both. It looks nicely cinematic, certainly the 1.5x crop helps vs 2.3x on the GH4 without Speed Booster. I prefer the colour I am getting out of the NX1 in 4K to the GH4.
 
If you only shoot with ONE camera and you need a full frame sensor along with astounding low light performance clearly the Sony A7S is still the way to go. But the NX1 arguably packs in the most advanced technology. Having an internal 4K codec in the NX1 sets it apart from the A7S in another way.

After using the GH4 and NX1 I have no desire for a DSLR with OVF for shooting 4K video.
 

You can't be serious. Did you watch the original 4K download? NX1 stood its ground beautifully and even topped 1Dc in resolution (not sharpness) in several spots. To say 1Dc annihilates NX1 is serious hyperbole. The only place I thought NX1 looked cheap in comparison was the garden (trees and bushes) shot.

Yes very annoying. And very stupid.
The solution is not to use Samsung's lenses until they fix it.
There's no excuse for having to enter the focus menu to enable MF every time you want to shoot a take... and at the worst possible moment as well - i.e. seconds before the take starts.
Worse still, in order to have the magnified focus assist work, you have to be outside of movie standby mode. So you can't just stay in standby mode with MF enabled if you want to check focus that way.
The auto-focus is very poor... hunts around and does not do what you want it to do.

Looks like they have run out of ideas!

They're not really fixing important stuff or adding new features!

Sony (Japan) has been working hard on killing the rumors, with great success. This has started with the A7 II introduction like you mentioned (end of 2014). There have been no real leaks since then.
Even Sony PR managers in Europe were surprised by the A7 II and A7R II, they didn't even know there was an embargo. No press release, nothing. I don't think it has to do anything with the hack. It's just Sony Japan keeping everything in a very tight circle.

I filed this rumor with the A99II, curved sensor RX2 and the A9 "pro A7" unicorns SAR has been trumpeting for the last year or so. SAR had nothing on any of the upcoming releases - he was way off with the A7RII, had nothing on the RX10II or RX100IV. He also had nothing on the A7II at the end of last year. All the announcements were a complete surprise. It appears all his insider info evaporated after the hack and hes now just making stuff up. Well, he did get the A7RII about 20 minutes before the embargo was lifted.
I'm sure we'll start seeing "SR3 - A7sII to have IBIS, 399pt AF, 4k internal and BSI - will be released later this year or early next year" rumors soon. Followed by "SR3 - A7III getting 399pt AF, 4k internal and BSI - will be released later this year or early next year". You can probably add high resolution sensor shift mode like Olympus has to the rumor mill as well - I would because it will get clicks.
He did great work, but most of that's in the past. I still visit the site daily - its just a great resource for samples and tests of all things E-mount.

Even with a 16stops camera, shitty light will always look shitty.

Wow, my bad. I see enough shitty footage on here that sometimes it's hard to tell who's doing it on purpose and who doesn't know any better. Now that I know you're in the former group, I'll be sure to leave you to your own devices from now on.

Your grade is creating really strong halos. Does not look natural- look at the edges of the treelines or mountains. Also, your footage is way too shaky for shows of nature. Sorry, I know you didn't ask for a critique, but I'd recommend working on those things before moving to a different camera.

With the pro-activity shown by samsung, I think it's rather odd they are not getting a similar profile ready for nx1, in a fw upgrade!

Imo Global Shutter is the key. Then you can move the camera freely and it all looks good instead of weird. 
No need for IS or IBIS. 
I will never buy an A-cam without it again. Took me one day with the bmpc to make that decision

These new "super fast" Sony sensors cant do 4k 60P. GH5 will do it and take the lead again.

8k it's going to happen sooner than you think. Oculus stated 16k is ideal for VR. So 8k is a given. New chips will support it natively. It's in the cards.

My money is on Samsung. I've got a feeling they're in it to win it.

​Like I said, all I need is 10-bit and Samsung will have basically my perfect camera. I rather like their lenses, too. They're good, small, and cheap--a killer combination. 

How is this going !?

JVC did. They have a Micro Four Thirds mount camera with Super 35mm sensor in it.
Cooke, Panavision, etc. and they already have made a S35 camera, it's called the Varicam S35!
In the consumer market there's a ton of lenses... all the APS-C and full frame stuff in the world for example.
If Panasonic want to sell lenses like that there's nothing to stop them building some or outsourcing the work to Sigma. It has to make economic sense though.
​We don't need that now we have the Speed Booster XL for 1.5x crop in 4K and 1.28x for stills. Far better.
The key thing for me is how Panasonic are going to compete with Sony.
How would an updated GH5 with 2x crop sensor be better than the A7R II for either 4K or stills exactly?
They HAVE to up their game on the sensor side.

The colours in that video still don't seem as natural or as nice as those shots with your usual cameras though?