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On 3/8/2024 at 3:16 AM, Tim Sewell said:
3. Get a second static view that you can just leave rolling.
Yup, even just a cheap Panasonic GH4 shooting a wide angle can be better than nothing to cut to if you hit a technical hiccup for a couple of seconds / minutes with your main camera. (edit: or in this case, your A6600, which I just saw you mention)
Another approach is just to shoot afterwards a bunch of random generic B Roll with your main camera, that you can throw into the edit to patch up any holes with.
11 hours ago, Tim Sewell said:I had intended to set my A6600 up as a static long shot for the same reason, but when I got there I found a room where there was literally nothing I could secure either a tripod or monopod to, so I couldn't, unfortunately.
Good reason to get a cardellini and other such clamps.
11 hours ago, Tim Sewell said:Heh - yeah, not too sure I want to do it for money TBH.
Ah, you got a Sony FS7 just as "a hobby camera"?
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On 3/4/2024 at 11:10 PM, majoraxis said:
Looks like the reviewer has an extra finger on his right hand.
Yes, and a year ago that was a major issue for AI photos. But today it's trending down towards becoming more of a non-issue for AI photos.
We'll see the same happen soon for AI video as well.
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On 3/8/2024 at 1:11 AM, Marcio Kabke Pinheiro said:
Or, maybe (TI guy thinking problem) there is some serious issues with the firmware on the cameras and there are some processes causing memory leaks or going wild.
You work for Texas Instruments? 😉
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On 3/8/2024 at 4:35 AM, Video Hummus said:
I also wonder if this is a way for Nikon to break free from Sony Semi-conductor in a way with global sensor technology, which seems to be the direction the industry is going.
Not really, RED never ever owned their own fabs after all. Nikon will still be going to Sony to make their sensors (or maybe one of the very few other options, such as Tower Semiconductor, or rather their sub brand "TowerJazz" that most of us are more commonly aware of)
On 3/8/2024 at 5:53 AM, Snowfun said:The wider implications… if Nikon do incorporate RED technology in their consumer offerings, where does that leave Blackmagic? Braw vs R3D (with the added “advantage” of Nikon’s AF, lens mount and lenses etc.) It’s going to be interesting to see how other players respond. Panasonic to buy Blackmagic?
Blackmagic is so much more than just their cameras, they won't be selling to Panasonic.
And BMD was always the lower cost competitor, I think they've still got their niche against RED/Nikon.
On 3/8/2024 at 6:00 AM, ac6000cw said:Maybe they should introduce Z-mount versions of their (low-end, for RED) RF-mount Komodo cameras, branded 'Nikon RED', 'Z-RED' or 'RED-Z', with maybe switchable color science compatible with either Nikon hybrids like the Z8/Z9 or other RED cameras. That might provide upward and downward paths between RED and Nikon cameras without diluting the RED brand.
This has been the BIGGEST issue with Nikon in the past for serious users. (ditto Panasonic & Fujifilm too I'm afraid)
If I start out with say a Nikon D5200 (and amazing starter camera for its time!!) where do I go afterwards? Nikon D500, and then perhaps a D5?? But then what? There is nothing pro grade I can move onto as a videographer / DoP.
Same was true later on with say the Nikon Z30 => Z6mk2 => Z8 pipeline. Nothing suitable for the professional user.
Ditto Panasonic, you might go Panasonic G6 => GH5, but then what? Or S5 => S1H, then what???
Ditto Fujifilm, X-T30 II => X-2HS, then what???
While Sony had very clear progression lines, you could for instance go:
Sony a6000 => a7mk2 => a7Smk3 => FX6 => VENICE
Or Canon, with T2i => 70D => 5Dmk3 => C100mk2 => C300mk2
The lack of this always made it very hard to seriously recommend Nikon/Panasonic/Fujifilm to newbies with lofty ambitious of rapid progression.
On 3/8/2024 at 9:35 AM, mercer said:This is crazy news. It'll be interesting to see what this means for both companies going forward... if anything. If Nikon were smart, their next generation of cameras should be utilizing RedCode... or is it ZedCode now?
I definitely think they'll keep the branding of "RedCode" and the decade plus of mind share that has been building up.
On 3/8/2024 at 9:35 AM, mercer said:Personally, I would love to see Red make a video centric DSLR using the F mount... even though that's never going to happen.
These days, if they do it (which I'm expecting now), it would definitely be Z Mount and not F Mount.
On 3/8/2024 at 12:38 PM, kye said:We all know the camera and imaging industry is being disrupted heavily, first with the move to digital that sunk Kodak, then with smartphones slowly eating the whole industry from the bottom up, and now right at the start of generative AI.
Plus there is the collapse in traditional media, and the collapse in advertising dollars.
Just in the past week or so there has been major developments in New Zealand with major TV shows being shut down (one has been running since 1977!!) and entire news operations being shut down. (Newshub is gone, which is TV3's news)
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On 3/7/2024 at 9:25 PM, BTM_Pix said:
And likely not good news for Canon extending their current arrangement for it with RED either.
I look forward to the next RED Komodo having a Nikon Z Mount
On 3/7/2024 at 10:32 PM, Snowfun said:Will Nikon keep RED separate or will RED technology creep into the consumer offerings?
I can see raw coming to all Nikon cameras now. (ok, maybe not the very low end stuff like the Nikon Z30)
On 3/7/2024 at 10:32 PM, Snowfun said:Although hipsters have already moved onto Jim’s new venture…
Wow, even at the age of 74 he's still creating new businesses.
On 3/8/2024 at 12:05 AM, BTM_Pix said:Maybe they want to do with the Z8/9 what Canon did with the R5 and bring out a cine version of it like the R5C.
I could certainly see a Z8C turning a few heads.
If they ran those products through the RED brand (a Toyota/Lexus style) then I could see it turning even more heads.
PLEASE have the Nikon Z8C have built in NDs!
On 3/8/2024 at 12:05 AM, BTM_Pix said:Its a bit of wild cultural disconnect between Nikon and RED though in terms of keeping RED going as is with that, erm, "style" of theirs so maybe it just is for the IP.
Can't really see Nikon releasing a new camera called the Nikon BASTARD or Nikon CRUSHER or some such.
😅🤣😝😎
On 3/8/2024 at 1:45 AM, Andrew Reid said:Just don't mention a certain yellow jersey cyclist.
Why?
On 3/8/2024 at 1:53 AM, Video Hummus said:Red fanboy panties will be twisted hard if Nikon is slapped on their camera.
I'd imagine for at least the next few years they'll keep the RED branding on their cinema cameras while adding subtle Nikon / Nikkor references (such as the lens mount).
On 3/8/2024 at 2:26 AM, eatstoomuchjam said:My guess is that the core RED stuff will remain largely unchanged for a time. It'd be hard for any business not to love those margins. I think the writing's been on the wall for a little while now, though, that aside from patent IP, RED's time as a viable company is limited. Competition from cameras that cost 1/4 of their prices gets stiffer every year.
Agreed!
And RED was under a LOT of pressure from the high end and low end, I guess it made sense to the owners to exit and cash in on their profits
High End = RED is no longer unique when it comes to:
1) cameras suitable for gimbals or other small form factor needs, as the ARRI Mini exists (or even VENICE Rialto etc)
2) RED isn't unique with high resolution, 4K is the norm
3) RED isn't unique with slow motion, lots can do 120fps or even 240fps +
Low End = the Sony FX3 / FX6 / Blackmagic Cinema Camera / Panasonic S5mk2 / Fujifilm X-H2 / ZCam / Kinefinity / etc are all getting to be pretty damn good now and users will go for these when they need an affordable budget option. Unlike in the past when RED was "the budget option" (because shooting on a RED ONE / RED Epic was waaay cheaper than shooting on S35 film, or even an ARRI ALEXA)
On 3/8/2024 at 2:53 AM, kye said:But, in this case, I'm really not sure who is profitable and who isn't...
Nikon must be quite profitable if they can afford a purchase of the scale that RED is.
On 3/8/2024 at 2:57 AM, FHDcrew said:Glad I stayed in the Nikon system 😂
Same!
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It's no big secret that many Leica cameras are just rebadged Panasonic cameras. So is this new Leica 60MP L Mount a camera a big hint at what the future S1R mk2 could be?
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When I saw the news yesterday of Nikon buying RED I thought this was just some kind of early April Fool's Prank. But then as I saw more and more people reporting this I clicked that it is real!
Wow.
I initially got into photography (& thus later on into filmmaking too) via Nikon. So this is exciting news for me! It has been very underappreciated the massive contributions Nikon has made to filmmaking (such as the first ever HDSLR, the Nikon D90. Or the first ever non-cine DSLRs to do 4K, the Nikon D5 & D500. Or the first ever mirrorless to do raw output, the Nikon Z6), so I look forward to what Nikon can do now they've acquired RED.
What will Nikon's answer to the Sony FX6 or Sony BURANO look like?
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It's all over for YouTube camera reviewers:
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Personally, I'd be going for a Sony RX0mk2 for that big 1" sensor. And slog compatibility with other Sony cameras.
But that might not be the same priorities you seek.
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41 minutes ago, MrSMW said:
but for our Anglophone destination wedding market
Oh I see, you're not targeting specifically French weddings? But English speakers doing a wedding in France????
I see!
Maybe only run workshops in the USA? 😛
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1 hour ago, mercer said:
It has 10bit so it's a cinema camera...
A "cinema camera" with a permanently fixed prime lens 😕
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7 hours ago, Ty Harper said:
Is it ironic tho - or is it a sign of the sheer scale of changes coming to the labor market. But also, when you've got a mortgage and bills to pay at the end of the month - you tend to panic about tech advances like this. Some aren't experiencing this chewing the fat on a forum - I'm watching colleagues in the media world losing their jobs weekly.
Weekly?? What are they losing their jobs because of
6 hours ago, JulioD said:The second one.
They are barely keeping the doors open.
Thats in LA, Atlanta has been a busier town for a few years but it’s a pretty interesting data point.
Yikes, I thought you meant that. But damn, if volume is only a fifth of what it used to be even in the mecca of filmmaking, then that's a worrying factor about the industry as a whole indeed!
Although yeah, LA/Hollywood isn't the dominant #1 place like it used to be, with the second tier (NYC, Atlanta, or even Europe etc) having more of the pie than they used to a few decades ago.
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Tom Antos just put out a video about Sora:
12 hours ago, Mmmbeats said:- Quick developing. One month it's all fuzzy, the next month it's all smoothed out. One month there are 11 fingers on each hand, a year later there are only 6.😅 In other words - it iterates fast.
AI photos have already got good enough, that it is no longer a useful method to count their fingers. Any good AI photos will always be sensibly 5 fingers each now.
12 hours ago, Mmmbeats said:- Unpredictable. As even a tech-savvy person, it is really hard to predict what 'AI' (I don't like using that term) is going to be good at, and bad at - 🖐️!
It's funny how a decade ago we thought AI would take over all the boring drudgery in jobs that humans do, and we'd be left free to have fun fulfilling lives chasing our creative passions.
Ummm... seems that AI is taking the opposite approach! AI is coming after the creative jobs first.
Getting cover with sh*t as a Plumber, or crawling in dirt under houses as an Electrician, that's the jobs that AI is leaving for us to do!
12 hours ago, Mmmbeats said:Example - I recently decided to really lean into doing 2.5d and true 3d animations from flat artworks as a client offering (for context, a lot of my clients are museums). To really develop skills in this using tools like Cinema 4D, Projection 3D, DUIK, etc. will take a couple of years of learning as I go. I very much doubt that AI will explode into use in that time, but certainly at some point just beyond that horizon I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a turnkey AI tool that offers very professional bespoke 3D animation from still images. That's very up AI's street.
I'd say we're almost there already. If not already there! As in it's all technically possible right now, what's needed next is simply it to be more polished and an easier workflow.
12 hours ago, Mmmbeats said:Of the course the nature of unpredictability is that just as equally, none of this might happen. But I think the main point to make is that the scale of the threat (to professional livelihoods) is so profound, that anybody just blithely ignoring it has their head in the sand to my reckoning.
Personally, I think I need to take more seriously my former IT career, and revive it back from the grave it has been sleeping in all these years. As I need a solid "Plan B" should demand for Production Sound Mixing slump to a mere small fraction of the need for it today.
10 hours ago, Ty Harper said:I def see anyone whose job revolves around script research/writing being impacted by this - so that includes producers in the news gathering field. So if you've got an EP, then a Senior Producer, then producers and then Associate Producers - I can see that being flattened out to maybe just a Senior and a host making up an entire team.
I can see the "team" being even further reduced. You don't need a Senior and a Host. One of them is enough!
9 hours ago, ghostwind said:There's a difference between ignoring it and obsessing about it like in this thread and in the news in general. Too much obsessing about the unknown is a waste of time.
Four pages of discussion in this thread is a rather small amount of "obsession", when you consider how much obsession we can do over some minor new gear release that takes our fancy.
And there is no doubt whatsoever that AI is going to have a bigger impact upon all of our jobs than any new camera announcement will have this year.
If anything, we're proportionally speaking not discussing this enough.
9 hours ago, ghostwind said:Be open about it, changes, educate yourself, but no need to panic and put things "on hold" because the "AI" monster is coming.
Tyler Perry (a media billionaire, a megastar in the media industry) disagrees with you. Putting on hold an $800M studio expansion (sure, there are other factors too. But "AI" is the headline reason):
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/tyler-perry-ai-alarm-1235833276/
9 hours ago, ghostwind said:As an example, I read some folks talking about leaving this field and going into IT, and I found that a bit ironic, as a lot of those jobs will be automated pretty fast. To me that's panic, not rational thinking.
If AI is going to be implemented everywhere in our lives (films/microwave/car/sports/music/etc), then who do you think is going to be doing that work to implement it.
The IT people.
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14 hours ago, MrSMW said:
My issue is, unless I am making it VERY worth my while, I would just potentially be feeding my direct comp.
When you move into the final stretch of your career (say 5yrs or less until retirement) then start offering workshops / tutorials.
As then it won't even matter if they're local to you in France!
Because in a country the size of France, training up a couple of people won't have much impact. Sure, over a ten year span, you'll have trained up a lot! But what impact will those you train in just the first year or three?? Not much.
Especially as someone who you train will then take another three years or so themselves to gear up and get skilled themselves and expand to a point they're even a minor threat to yourself.
And by this point, you won't even care if they're "stealing" jobs from you!
Because you'll either be semi-retired yourself, or within a couple of years of retirement anyway, so you'll be winding down anyway.
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16 hours ago, MrSMW said:
Very rarely, like 1/20 times, I might just be doing only video or only stills in which case I'd just take the 2 appropriate units.
ahhh... as I think I just remembered:
1) you're always doing these solo? (never a second shooter with you)
2) yet the vast majority of them you're doing the video and photos for the couple? Ambitious!
A bit different to what I'm used to or expect.
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How very strange, a cage for the X100:
https://www.newsshooter.com/2024/02/23/smallrig-fujifilm-x100vi-retro-cage/
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56 minutes ago, MrSMW said:
Always.
Ohhh... for some reason I thought you were always bringing one brand or the other, not bringing both at once and mixing/matching them together.
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1 hour ago, JulioD said:
I was talking to an LA based Panavision sales rep a couple of days ago and they they said for them production was about 15-20% of what it was 18 months ago.
Wait a second.... WHAT??
Are they saying it is "down by 15-20%" or that it is "15-20% of what it was before"??
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7 hours ago, Ty Harper said:
I have been watching AI very closely and watching the advancements very closely. I was in the middle of, and have been planning for the last four years, about an $800 million expansion at the studio, which would’ve increased the backlot a tremendous size — we were adding 12 more soundstages. All of that is currently and indefinitely on hold because of Sora and what I’m seeing. I had gotten word over the last year or so that this was coming, but I had no idea until I saw recently the demonstrations of what it’s able to do. It’s shocking to me.
I read this interview with Tyler Perry yesterday, and if a person wants to see concrete proof that AI will impact the film industry, then they need look no further!
An $800M expansion to his studio lot, that now won't go ahead. That's a huge number of jobs gone now, who would have been working on constructing it, and then working on the soundstages once they were up and running.
7 hours ago, Ty Harper said:I think it’s going to be a major game-changer, because if you could spend a fraction of the cost to do a pilot that would’ve cost $15 [million], $20 million or even $35 million if you’re looking at HBO, of course the bottom line of those companies would be to go the route of lesser costs. So I am very, very concerned that in the near future, a lot of jobs are going to be lost. I really, really feel that very strongly.
Yup, exactly.
6 hours ago, Tim Sewell said:I don't think anyone is going to pay a Netflix subscription to watch a steady diet of derivative AI-generated content.
If it is entertaining enough, and it is cheap enough, then of course people will pay!
And is really any different to a person spending 20hrs over the weekend playing computer games when 100% of what this media they're consuming are also not "real humans"? But they're entertained! And they'll pay for it.
5 hours ago, Ty Harper said:I'd also say that we already have ample signs that there is indeed a huge appetite for content that isn't human. It's called cartoons, animation, CGI, etc. I'm not sure of the history of animation's rise but if there was a backlash to that tech - it obviously didn't last. Also I'll say it again: my 5 year-old will not have these moral attachments to human vs non-human content - and it is them and future kids that will be driving all of this.
Exactly, as well as the example I just gave of computer games, there is also already: Cartoons, Animation, CGI, etc
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11 hours ago, MrSMW said:
The final line up for the 2024 season.
From left to right…Are you bringing all four cameras to a wedding?
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4 hours ago, BenEricson said:
I mean we can really only speculate. Assuming this took an hour to render a 720p clip, with access to a bunch of GPUs and however many TBs of data. 1000USD - 10,000USD per render? This isn't Mid Journey.
1) you don't need TBs of data once the model is trained, the whole thing is probably just running in memory
2) I suspect it's faster than an hour
3) but even if I do use your assumption of an hour, and I dunno how many you think "a bunch of GPUs" is, but let's say a couple of dozen? And what GPUs are you referring to?? Let's say the very best consumer GPU that money can buy, the RTX 4090!! Even a whole hour of running a couple of dozen of those GPUs is only going to cost me twelve bucks. Waaaay less than getting a film crew to film this clip, and far less than your estimate of "1000USD - 10,000USD per render". Maybe you want to up the stakes a bit, rather than using a top of the line consumer GPU for gaming such as a RTX 4090 we will use a purpose built data center GPU such as the NVIDIA A40? Sorry, bad news for you, thanks to economies of scale (with its purpose built nature) it's actually slightly cheaper for me to use two dozen A40 GPUs (a little less than eleven dollars per hour). Oh, and remember these are the costs for me (a nobody) to rent on demand GPUs. Of course the running costs for massive companies such as OpenAI would be far lower than it is for me to casually rent these!
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2 hours ago, BenEricson said:
You're talking about insanely high compute power and $$$.
The cost is mere pennies to the dollar compared to the high costs to hire a film crew to go out and film a clip.
And for animation, it's changing the game from what used to in the past take months to now be done almost "instantly":
The other clips are also impressive, notably one asking for “an animated scene of a short fluffy monster kneeling beside a red candle,” along with some detailed stage directions (“wide eyes and open mouth”) and a description of the desired vibe of the clip. Sora produces a Pixar-esque creature that seems to have DNA from a Furby, a Gremlin, and Sully in Monsters, Inc. I remember when that latter film came out, Pixar made a huge deal of how difficult it was to create the ultra-complex texture of a monster’s fur as the creature moved around. It took all of Pixar’s wizards months to get it right. OpenAI’s new text-to-video machine … just did it.
(copied from your link you gave)
https://media.wired.com/clips/65cd6097640589f91cb00713/360p/pass/monster.mp4
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What disappoints you, what were you hoping for?
40MP and IBIS seems very cool!
And for the video geeks, 10-bit 6.2K 30p, 4K 60p, or FHD 240p video recording.
Built in 4 stop ND filter is nice too.
Being able to work with Frame.io is another new thing too.
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7 hours ago, JulioD said:
Gamechanging? We’re not there yet. But it’s the same KIND of technological change media has been through many times. It’s not a whole new game.
This is a change as big as computers themselves arriving in the animation world, vs drawing it by hand.
So yes, it's "just a change". Just like the arrival of the car was "just a change" from horse drawn buggies.
But putting it like that, greatly understates the impact it will have.
Nikon buys Red?
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Hopefully both of these happen.
Z6mk2 gets a RedCode firmware update, and Nikon mirrorless does things like taking TC more seriously. Meanwhile RED cinema cameras get better pricing / LCD screens / weatherproofing / Z Mount / EVFs / etc
Yes please! But especially "a Nikon FX6" (or FX60???)
ARRI lights with Canon branding! 😅
True, but RED is very much playing second fiddle to ARRI. They're waaaay behind these days.
Heck, RED is playing second fiddle to even Sony in the cinema market!
Hmmm... don't count on that, don't now assume anything ever about Nikon!
How sure can you really be that Nikon won't make non-black cameras, perhaps even a RED colored camera: