Oliver Daniel

Like any camera, it's aways best to test it in your own hands. The above quick video has far to much contrast and deep shadows for my taste, but it doesn't mean this is the camera - I'm sure it's a creative choice by Andrew. I do see glimpses of the image which excites me, still, only user experience will determine if it's a suitable camera.

It's good to hear the opinion of someone who has used it. It looks great in the pictures and video, yet it's obviously made to look the business to drive sales. May work for some and not others. I can see the record button being an issue, why won't Sony enable recording from the shutter button? I know I'll be shooting with the A7S and Shogun fairly soon, so I'm looking for a solution like this one. I already have a rig suitable for "in-front" shooting, just that the addition of a Shogun will make it difficult to handle, hence my exploration of options.

This looks like an awesome rigging solution for A7S users shooting 4k with a Shogun: http://www.edelkrone.com/eu/5-modula-series A video here: Especially like the hand grip. Want!

I guess that could mean a substantial improvement of the 1080p/60 and 1080/120 modes on the Shogun....

Well I've heard that the 120fps from this camera is very impressive in 1080p. This is a super important feature for my music video work.... looking forward to seeing more stuff online and then I'll probably rent it for a job. Or not. Maybe. Is the sensor capable of 4k 60fps? If so, why the hell isn't it on the firmware? Sales would be silly high.

Haha, just curious.... I know Helios are the way to go for this as they are madman lenses. I know that Matt Duclos started "Rokinon Raws" to give them more "character" by removing coatings, as some DP's have disliked them due to their "ordinary still lens look." There are many times when I don't require character lenses at all, and super sharp contrasty lenses are the best choice. Most of my work does require this weirdness though, approaching 200 music videos shot/edited now -and upping the style each time!

What kind of result would you get from removing the coatings on an FD lens (or re-applying different ones?) Would you get a "characteristic" result or just a big bag of crap?

Could easily do that no problem. They would also be great for A7S users who want to mould the lighting better on a night scene. Also really good for using a Go Pro in low light - or just use it as a torch if you get lost on the moors! (you should always stay on the road as there are wolves!) :D

Pointless thread. Leave Channing alone. He has muscles and stuff.

Andy recommended to me the Tokina 24-85mm f4, can get in FD mount, very cheap - "the Helios of zoom lenses." Canon 24-35L f3.5 is a fantastic lens, semi-interesting little flares but it's clinical and warm. Don't know any other FDs that fit this character category. All mine and sharp, contrasty and warm.

Canon FD has come up because they are cheap and a bit old. Performance wise, they do have a slightly more organic feel to the EF lenses, and are great for colours and contrast. (My FD 28mm f2.8 stinks, the blacks get crushed loads). Character - they have nothing on my old Russians like Helios, Asahi Pentax and Mir. These guys are lovely and fascinating. The FD's I have do flare a little, but you have to really work hard to make it look decent. The Canon FD 24-35L 3.5 can produce some semi-interesting flares. But mostly yes, they aren't the best for character. Great for usual stuff though! Rich - your Schidt Optiks (haha) look amazing - seem perfect for my uses. Will have to get some. With the SLR Magic 12mm MFT look, I think it just might be unique. Can be used macro and flares are insane. As I'm switching to a bigger sensor, just want to find it's equivalent. I love it so much, I cry about it sometimes. (ok, I don't. Just saying though!)

Shame about the 1080/60p.... I use that feature a lot on other cameras for subtle slow motion. I'll have to see it for myself. Would be a deal breaker otherwise. How close in greatness is it to the A7S?

Cool! I'm looking to emulate the characteristic of the SLR Magic 12mm on MFT with a close subject in focus, on full frame and Super 35.... ...The result is spectacular, very powerful. I'm finding that I'm doing many shots, including close-ups with the SLR Magic 12mm as the look is so unique, and matches the emotion perfectly. You can get SO close and have a wide shallow background.

Canon FD glass is a bargain. Some peeps on here have more knowledge than myself about the SSC and non-SSC. Anyone? Still looking for that ultimate vintage lens for full frame (and Super 35) - wide angle (28mm) and close focus (like a macro)......

I was thinking the same thing. I'm curious about this camera too - it's just the H265 thing. Great codec, but when will the NLE's etc catch on? I agree lower contrast, vintage lenses would sing on this camera. Also want to see the 120fps!

Yes!!! :D Thing is, I don't want it to be like that at all!! It's early days... (I mean, have you seen the early FS7 stuff online... oh dear!)

I'm still not convinced by the footage I've seen from this camera - still looking overly sharp, very brittle, crushed detail and quite artificial, didn't see this "filmic motion" others have spoke of here. That said, the features are not too far off ideal for my uses so I'd rather give it a go then set my opinion based on a few quick shots. I'd still like to see more.... ;)

Neither too... Nightcrawler is awesome.

Seem like fantastic, unique products. Just the character I'm looking for. Need some invoices clearing first though, haha. :blink:

Never heard of Motion Six but looks very interesting. Dog Schidt Optiks products are fascinating! would love some of those. (isn't the creator a regular poster on this forum?) ;)

Those Veydra lenses look nice - I just need my lenses to cover Super 35mm (and full frame, sometimes). Have you seen the D16 Kish lenses though? Fixed aperture to keep cost down. http://www.digitalbolex.com/kish-lenses-on-sale-today/ The D16 is the "character" camera, I would get one but can't justify the financial outlay. Wide angle "macros"? Any recommendations? (wide angle with subject in focus, very close to lens - like how the SLR Magic 12mm behaves on MFT). Sirius 28mm f2.8?

The Canon 1DC looks a lot better in my opinion - although it would of been better to see the footage at 1/50 shutter, and no mention on lens used either. The latest footage of the new Sony FS7 online is on the majority - terrible, like the NX1. I'll never make camera judgements from footage online, it's only worth finding out for yourself and your style. ;)

I'm curious to see how this camera would perform in the hands of a talented filmmaker. The very little stuff online including the demo reel is rather awful and brittle - yet the same can be said of most new camera releases at the early stages, in the awful aspects. ;)

Thanks Rich and Andy, very good resource of info. My view is on Ebrahim's point - for cinematic/narrative work, I'd strongly decide against not shooting with a lens such as the Panny 12-35mm. It's ultra sharp, high contrast and so clincal - it's insane! With cameras now being so sharp out the box, HD and 4k, it certainly helps to offset that digital sharp look with a low contrast, vintage lens that can resolve an image with great detail, low contrast and able to flare nicely when you intend to. That's why I'm very interested in these types of lenses, they just FEEL better than their modern friends.

Thanks Andy.... how do they differ in sharpness? I guess the HFT ones are more clinical in that respect. Again thanks for all the info!