Oliver Daniel

Great news. Still compelled to learn how this camera really differentiates from the S1H. The 6k mode is rather niche as the major difference.

Nice idea, but on the surface I think there’s better options now and most likely in the very near future. It will have to sport a remarkable picture to be competitive. Well done to Sigma though for getting their fingers into the camera side.

Bummer that it’s a physical thing. Is this an anti-piracy tactic? I just don’t get the logic of providing this non-digital - surely it costs more to print them all up and post them? Yep, bargain grey import indeed - still worth it if you’re not VAT registered. They are legit as I’ve had a few lenses from them.

Awesome. This website is selling the S1 + 24-105mm for £2349.00. Temptation....

Well this camera has become even more interesting. I do kinda fear that it may put my EVA1 in the dust bin though!

Sounds good @Andrew Reid. If you go ahead with it, I would also provide a "manifesto" of rules... so it evens the playing field. Some of us might of access to helicopters, whereas offers may only have a plastic straw for a tripod. It would be great if we were forced into "bare bones" shooting and using DIY methods.

I'd advocate Canon for stills. Even when my wife had a 700d, her images smoked my Sony A6/A7 whatever just from pure image rendering. nearly every photographer I work with uses Canon. For video though, even though they have a few of industry leading features (reliability, DPAF, colour) - they've fallen way out of favour in the UK. Nearly everyone in the low and mid tier are shooting on Sony or Panasonic. Some Blackmagic. My local rental house has had to sell on their C300 II's because no one wants them. This is all because, and you can't deny it, that their video pipeline is an absolute mess. From the C700 bazooka to the immensely crippled EOS R - barley anyone wants them for video here because they lack features that Canon could easily include. They could wipe the floor in the sub-£10k market if they gave the C200 a 10bit (non-RAW) codec and better 120fps. But that camera has a major split personality and it puts potential buyers off (like me, who went for the EVA1 instead). Additionally, as most professionals own A,B and C cameras - their video lineup is a mess here too. Panasonic lead the way here and this to me is a huge selling point. There's no doubt you can create stunning images with whatever Canon - but their decisions in video features have had a severe impact on their universal attraction (for video in the UK). To the point of the post, they are SO frustrating because we all have a soft spot for them, and want them to deliver what we want. But they won't, and probably never will.

Well, Panasonic delivered some beasts and a lot of the internet are still complaining. Then there’s a guy on here saying the GH5 is outdated. What a strange world. As a Panasonic shooter, the S1 is looking tasty - too early to call on the S1H. Wish all these brand new lenses were more affordable though - the premium has certainly increased over the last few years.

I think I’d get too addicted to this. Lighting, on a video game? Geek out!

Why does the GH5 upset you so much? Did someone throw one at you? I’d understand if that was the case. But think of it this way, both Panasonic and Blackmagic offer the market products much different to others. We all win. Hooray! P.s I think I might get an S1.

There are other reasons why someone would want a GH5 over a P4K. IBIS, flippy screen, higher frame rates, longer battery life, stills, reliability, smaller and lighter... and it’s these reasons why I shoot with one as opposed to a P4k. Not everything is purely down to image quality. Versatility is important for a lot of people. Can’t you just accept that the GH5 is the best camera for some people, are for others it’s not? No need to waffle about it.

I’m expecting it will have 4k120fps in H265 and possibly external ProRes RAW up to 4k60p. Apart from an ND filter, I can’t really think of anything else it could realistically have. I think the GH5 is the best video camera you can buy today, if we’re talking price / performance ratio. Still hasn’t been beaten after 3 years. I think the XH-2 will be their video blockbuster, and I guess they’re taking their time to get it right. If it is what we’re expecting, they can take my money.

Came across this very cool looking “video game” called Cine Tracer which allows you to play cinematographer and use the built in tools to create pre-visualisations for your films. Lighting, compositions, sets, actors... all that stuff. I’ve not used it but I could imagine it has great potential. Anyone had a go? Do you think it could be a useful tool? A sign of the future? https://store.steampowered.com/app/904960/Cine_Tracer/

You also left out higher frame rates, which for many types of work is massively important. What I would really benefit from is fantastic 120fps capture (we’re not counting RED, Mavo etc in this) - without the annoyances of noise, aliasing, fuzzy details, lower than perceived resolution, colour weirdness and low bit rates / bit depth. I can do it on the EVA1 in 10bit but it’s difficult to use. Noise is hard to manage and if your lens isn’t absolutely extremely pin sharp, the images will be soft and fuzzy. The E2 has the best 120fps in its class - I just wish the other mirrorless cameras had it at this level and the FS7 / EVA1 class had better versions.

There seem to be a few people happy with the EOS R, but there's no denying for most people it's absolutely rock bottom for mirrorless video (like all their other DSLR / DSLM) cameras when it comes to video. Even Fuji are miles ahead for video capture now. The frustration targeted at Canon is there for good reason., however it's best to forget about it. There's also a lot of talk about autofocus. Rightly so, this is absolutely fantastic for solo gimbal and I'd love to have PDAF in the GH5. Not having PDAF doesn't stop me shooting. However, A LOT of people have got really, really obsessed with it as if they've forgot to use manual focus (which I use 99% of the time). Manual lenses are way more fun! There's also a hell of a lot of bashing about the S1 cameras due to unrealistic expectations (requests for internal BRAW etc, what?). For video, there's literally nothing else like it and people are still complaining? We're spoilt for choice these days and there's something for everyone. Enjoy it!

Was there any mention of IBIS in the S1H? Also my opinion... it seems like the ultimate hybrid filmmaking camera. But considering the S1 is pretty close in features, it’s hard to say whether it’s worth the extra.

That press text doesn't tell us everything, like no mention of external recording options. The big bit I did notice is full frame 4k60p at 10bit. No other full frame mirrorless does that. I hope it's true. If the 4k60p bit is the only significant difference, then the S1 could be the bargain of the year! The price of the S1H will be the deal breaker - please don't be "much more" than the S1R!

From what we think we know from the rumours, so far it only seems like 6k and Vlog is included over the S1. I’ll predict the difference will be external ProRes RAW recording up to 4k60p. The 6k will be the marketing headline grabbing “world first” that Panasonic always do (for a full frame mirrorless).

This has to be fake. I’d be very surprised if it isn’t.

You’re right. I know countless people using the GH5 for serious video work. I’m one of them and everybody is fine with it, and never questions it. I use it alongside the EVA1 and the GH5 performs brilliantly, every time.

I hope they have 2 models - one with IBIS and one without (this would appease everyone). Or they do have IBIS but have an IBIS lock mechanism. I know people bang on about IBIS rather obsessively, but theres a good reason for it. It's absolutely liberating.

It's a bit confusing where this will fit. The EVA1 is the sub-10k flagship. The S1 is a photography camera BUT they want to appease video shooters too. I assume the GH6 is on the way at some point in the next year and a half, which will have to boast amazing video features to appeal. So Cinema LUMIX? Couldn't even guess what it will be like considering the other models. Probably an S1-C with external ProRes RAW or something.

Is there any way to adjust the color of the display? I've got one and the color is quite a lot warmer than what the camera LCD is seeing. Also the highlights seem a lot brighter and steeper than the camera monitor, makes it hard to judge the image.

Looks like Resolve can now do as an editor what FCPX has been doing for years (with the Cut page).

It’s an ok short, maybe a bit too “vanilla” for me but does the job. I did feel some of the skin tones were blown out and could have been handled better. The S1 looks clinically great - looking forward to seeing what Vlog brings (and whether I’ll add it to my current EVA1 and GH5 combo).