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OK! suddenly 4K 60 8bit internal isn't looking quite so exciting. 😄 I mean 8k is overkill, but for future-proofing the stock video I shoot, it definitely doesn't hurt.  And being able to shoot 4k at 100fps instead of 50 (because shooting in houses with 50hz electricity makes 60  fps a no-no).  

Unless of course in 5 years time if your video isn't 16K HDR 360, 14 bit raw nobody will want to know it.  In which case I may as well not sell all my nikon gear 

The only thing I haven't tried is writing to Adobe management. 

Adobe doesn't really have regions for its product support.  Writing to Adobe Australia I'm sure would be a waste of time, but no more so than all the other wastes of time so maybe I'll try that.

I'm reasonably monogamous.  I've had a fling with the gh5 but it didn't last.  I've seen people rave about the z6 image. Can anyone on here that has used multiple systems comment on that.  I work in environments where I can't control the light. Even with internal 8 bit I have a way easier time in post than I did with the gh5.

I bet Blackmagic have never had people streaking though their offices 🤔

I put up with shooting on the d5300 because I liked the image it produced. I think the way to feel happy about owning a z6 is to think of it as a full frame mirrorless 5600.  From that point of view it's a vast improvement.  (But yes, why they followed the amateur paradigm in these cameras and not the d8xx I dunno. I try not to get started thinking about their product decisions in the last 5 years.  I've got high blood pressure as it is). 

The image is lovely though. 

I see the incremental upgrade as a positive sign: this is Nikon reacting quickly to a quickly changing market. That's new. Previously they'd make you wait 4 years. 

A z6 with 4k 60? I'd love it.  (If they can work on the af a bit too that would be peachy).  

I've been trying to report a bug to adobe since 2017.  This is not my record. That goes to a bug between lightroom and photoshop that appeared in 2008.  I tried and failed for years on that one. They say, don't they, the definition of madness is repeating the same futile action over and over...

I'm thinking about making a short film about what you have to do to get adobe's attention.  I've tried the forum, and the uservoice site (where they, in a Trump-esque stroke of not-testing-for-coronavirus genius, removed their bug-reporting form).   I tried phoning them, and then doing a chat session. I was lucky to make it out of that one alive.  Honestly If there had been any sharp object on my desk I would've been a goner. 

Recently I looked up a bunch of the senior devs and quality managers and tweeted them, or wrote to them on linked in.  Just now I've been sending any employees who engaged in any small way a message via their forum. I have very very low expectations. 
I was thinking maybe I could pull some stunts to get their attention. Streak in their offices, or skywriting maybe? 

Yes I know i should move to resolve.  But I'm deep in the sunk-cost fallacy, OK? 

Here's my latest pointless waste of time:

https://adobe-video.uservoice.com/forums/911233-premiere-pro/suggestions/40860028-fix-time-remapping-ppro2017-ppro2020

That is extremely good to know!

This would make me very happy.  If they could sort out the shadow banding and improve the video af a bit I'd be ecstatic

So what's the final conclusion with z6 raw. Is it worth the update? Is there much pain in grading compared to Nikon flat. I'm shooting 8bit internal at the mo

11 hours ago, IronFilm said:

Add up what I suggested, it still is cheaper than merely just what your camera body by itself cost! (let alone your entire camera kit)

True dat! Ill have acquire it slowly though.  I watched Gerald Undone talking about the oktava, would this be a good place to start? I have the rode video micro. I know this probably seems like a toy, but I really like it. Better than video mic pro which is muddy to my ears. So whatever I get first should do something that one absolutely can't.  I have a scarlet 2i2gen3 and a kingbee for voiceovers too, so the voice stuff Gerald talked about in relation to the Oktava MK-012 is probably less relevant.

Thanks man for the advice.  I'll have to squirell it away though for when I have a couple of grand lying around.  This process started with me wanting to replace a $70 recorder 😆 

I get it though, its like when someone asks me what $200 camera to buy and I end up suggesting a s1h or a7r4 😁

I've got an ad coming up.  I've shot one local tv ad on the z6, delivered in 1080. This one will also probably be 1080, but I was wondering if the ninja is a worthwhile investment, or whether I should just put the money towards a bmpcc4k kit. (Or z-cam E2)  The ad will have a bit of slowmo in it, the z6 slomo is barely up to it.   

Will I notice anything in z6 ProRes footage other than a little bit more highlight info? 

On 6/13/2020 at 8:17 AM, JordanWright said:

I picked up a Godox SL60 for under £100, works a treat! I think they have newer versions out now that'll hopefully drive the price down even further.

I've got one of these plus the sl150

The 150 is a crap ton brighter, and is almost a perfect colour match (but not totally identical)

The word is to avoid the sl200, it's very green.

I also bought a cheap fresnel

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/buy/Bowens_Fresnel/Ntt/Bowens+Fresnel/N/0

This coupled with silver boards gives a nice backlight keylight.

I made my own silverboards from insulation foam. 

Personally I think these lights are way more versatile than led panels.

1 hour ago, newfoundmass said:

It's not under $200 but I've been very happy with the Zoom H6 overall. 

Is the boot up time reasonable?

1 hour ago, IronFilm said:

But if I was absolutely 110% restricted to a sub $200 budget, then I'd get a Tascam DR60Dmk2. 

I read that you get like 2 hours battery which might drive me a bit bonkers. I really like having the mics onboard too.  So I hear what you're saying but I very rarely shoot people and never drama. For me it's the occasional talking head, so a "proper" recorder feels a bit like a sledgehammer to crack a nut.  I used to be more than happy going straight into the gh5, but my z6 sounds like crap (even I can hear that lol).  For running and gunning my kit that gets used most is the quickest and simplest to setup.  

One of the tascams (I forget which) can record from the onboard mics and external at the same time. That sounds like good feature for me. 

I have a knackered old tascam that's about 10 years old. It's falling apart. I did a whole bunch of research yesterday. The dr40x looked like a good replacement until I saw a review that said the noise floor is awful. 

I don't really want to spend $600aud on this zoom it's total overkill for me, and the cheaper zooms seem to be a bit long in the tooth.  (Lots of posts of people bitching about the bootup time). Is there anything under $200 that is ok?

In fact on that note if I'm spending $600 wouldn't splurging on the ninja v (I have Nikon z6) be more sensible? I know it's only got 3.5mm in, but all my current sound kit is 3.5 anyway (lavs, rode video micro and their wireless doodad)

Very similar to my Nikon 50mm f1.2, but with nobs on. Same slight swirly bokeh and field curvature. 

Lots of character. I love it

I still master in 1080p, but being able to reframe the 4k image is fab.  I agree that 8k will be a nightmare to handle but there are 2 upsides (and slim ones at that).  It gives me the potential to crate stock footage that has more longevity than 4k, and it would allow me to master in 4k and still pan and scan.

With Australia's pitiful broadband network i can't see 4k being required for 3 or 4 years at least, but having stock that I can use in 4 years time would be great.  I will look hard at a 6k or 8k Fuji camera, I'm liking what I'm seeing there, and Im a fan of apsc for a bunch of reasons

I thought this was interesting. 

http://thenewcamera.com/list-of-sony-sensors-to-be-used-in-upcoming-dslr-and-mirrorless-worlwide/

I know this is speculation central, but that apsc sensor looks promising.  Of course no idea of readout and dynamic range, but 8k is coming for good or ill

I just watched that newsshooter vid and agree it looks great.  I was peeping for moire and I didn't see any.  

Need to see more footage before reaching any conclusions

23 hours ago, Django said:

Actually the kings of DR is D850/A7RIV with 14.8 DR (DxO rating) followed by Z7 with 14.6 stops.

I know the Z6 has better low-light and no line-skipping but any idea how Z7 will fare with the RAW upgrade? I think I read it will only output it in DX/APS-C mode?

I still need a high-res OLPF-less hybrid in my arsenal, wondering if Z7 might be a worthy choice.

the quoted values are always pretty much bulshit.  My D5300 had virtually the same dynamic range as the d800 according to DXO.  The usable dynamic range was nowhere near the same. The z7 and z6 have banding in the shadows which means you cant push them as far, and on the z6 at least the noise is not as pleasant - so again you can't push it as far (and the lower MP doesn't help either).  Until we can get someone to do a controlled test with and without th 12 bit raw i reckon all this is a big fat waste of breath ? 
One thing I will say though is that sometimes I feel like the flat image on video almost retains better highlight detail than the raw still. Making me wonder if they deliberately hobbled the raw to create a bigger gap to the z7.  

Now if we could only have 4k 60 I'd be as happy as a pig in shit

13 hours ago, Danyyyel said:

Very balance story about Nikon Z6 Prores Raw. One exciting thing is his talk about very good Dynamic range which you can also shoot at 100 ISO. It looks like it will mirror the stills raw experience. So we can expect depending on your tolerance to noise, 14+ stop of 12 bit imagery.

https://www.newsshooter.com/2019/12/17/raw-over-hdmi-is-here-we-test-drive-the-nikon-z6-and-prores-raw/?fbclid=IwAR241dA3bDKX1Z8pvDMKzh1V33FjXuueX472uNc_1WNYnWp_MsaAZHm_DUA

 

No 14+stop on the z6.  The d800 supposedly has 13.something stops and the z6 does not reach the same levels of dr.  I get the feeling it could if they turned up the active d-lighting.  Anyhoo the blacks are way noisier than the d800, I'd guess 12 usable stops at most (which would still be awesome)

I'm a nikon shooter, but I'm just about done with them.  And I really want my 4k 60 back.  (I ditched my gh5 for a z6).  
Anyone here had experience with both nikons and fujis?  Will I miss the dynamic range shooting stills? 

Hurrah.  Apsc is the ideal sensor size IMHO. Better noise and dynamic range than m43, higher frame rates than full frame, easier to move and cool than full frame. Speed-boostable for a full frame look. There's nothing sensible out there at the moment so I'll be watching this fuji closely. 

Just in case anyone was under the delusion that the z6 raw update was 

a) nearly here

b) a high priority

I had an exchange with a nikon tech about it via email: he didn't know anything about it - i got the impression that he hadn't heard that a hardware update is going to be necessary, making it look like Nikon Australia has no plans in place to manage it.  He said he expected it to  come out with an update in the next few months (which I took to mean that he thought it would be done with a firmware update only, which we know is wrong and kinda shows they are as clueless as the rest of us).