Emanuel

Here's the 1st bunch of field payload tests popping up as predicted last week: And more tests with the stock camera where the 2.7K resolution seems perfectly balanced offering less crisp outcome comparing with the previous models IMHO: The less saturation the better to my eyes as well:

The case is so sensitive that the thread I had opened a couple of hours ago on reduser should have beaten the record because vanished from the air right away... LOL ; -) http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?179183-RED-patents&p=1875811#post1875811

Waynes, apart my non-native English, I'll try to apply for the best of my plain English : D Apple's lawyers work in this case is perfectly shitty if we discount the agreement settled. Let alone when compared with RED's legal team strictly under their own IP protection task force. That's where the whole problem resides IMO. A competent legal work would break and kill those RED RAW patents as clear as I hope these words may sound to you now ! ; -)

Done: http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?179183-RED-patents&p=1875811#post1875811 http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?179139-Apple-RED&p=1875812&viewfull=1#post1875812 Interesting post some other above BTW: http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?179139-Apple-RED&p=1875807&viewfull=1#post1875807 : -)

Exactly the point and what I meant in my text. 'Through' means to apply from there. A service available from any country's IP office in order to extent it worldwide. Of course, that's why I've been questioning about their legal team in these pages... Sorry folks for my lack of modesty, but as professional either as producer or legal expert, I take my job up to limit. I am always unsatisfied with the outcome of my effort. I think pretty mediocre what I see from theirs. Lame. They should start to hire some better staff indeed. As far as I know and I've realized, this has been one of the secret ingredients by RED since ever : -)

Or Graham Bell family would have a bit of trouble to charge Xiaomi for any new model each two weeks.

You're right Waynes : ) There is some other issue involving 24fps which is a standard* adopted for almost a whole previous century along and a standard wide known and used by the industry for decades, which impedes to recognise the innovation attribute any patent claims to be. Thus, some restrictions must apply. The exclusion is there and coverage or patent range only partially extent at least. I am pretty sure a better legal work in different jurisdictions would kill such claim, IMHO as post graduate precisely to comprehend this legal field as well : -) * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_frame_rate#History_of_frame_rates_in_cinema

Exactly, even though I guess they had applied for worldwide protection from US IP office, the fact is some other authority can have some other perspective on their patent validity if any, range and coverage. Compressed RAW is almost as wide as vanilla ice cream, as someone has already noticed and sarcasm aside, so: This is the most perfect example why this is still far to be definitive. I guess they should invest more in their legal department instead... Only one particular case AFAIK, old story from the previous thread discussion. No big deal. The point is when whose understanding is restrictively B&W, truly a pity, ending with the whole matter upside down : -D

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_Picture_Patents_Company#Creation Ironically, that's how Hollywood was born... Where Indie spirit rose up! : P Useless battle at a certain point or degree, sooner or later, to just one side IMHO (gang, don't be party poopers! LOL : -)

Any decision is taken by men. On Apple's claim. As of now. That's it. Nothing more. Even Jarred's statement is very prudent and none of showing off other than their humble right to try their own property protection. Okay, Common Law system where US realm is based means legal precedents to follow up further at a certain point later on. But... Which doesn't literally mean that any other compressed RAW cannot be taken as valid to coexist along RED's patents. I guess it is only a matter of solid grounds and innovate approach on their contenders' filing if any. Without mention where exactly RED patents are covered? And under what authority jurisdiction to somehow stand same position/opinion for the subject matter on analogous claiming? That said, by some other words, IP management and their rights are far to be restricted exclusively to US authorities no matter what office the records have been made. As much as the whole planet doesn't belong to US jurisdiction or attained under their officers, institutions and Courts. Or perhaps Thomas Edison claim to charge royalties over any operator using his invention would have prevailed as effectively did not by any chance ; ) What I see here is the nonobservance of a lot of variables to explore by any other player with a good team of experts and lawyers team to handle the task. As simple as that. I'm sorry I can sound too plain on topic but all this has been addressed in a much strict standpoint. The issue and myriad of possibilities are beyond that. Made in China a few of moralists are always ready to jump on is the utmost example of that. The world and the way business works is much more complex than apparently seems. For the market's sake itself.

This doesn't mean others can't be followed and have a different result, though. As of today, good news for RED and to those who have invested big money and praise theirs. Not for many by all means : ) Diversity will always prevail anyway, there will always be place for everyone. It is like censorship, never lasts indefinitely in a way or another.

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First legit comparisons start to pop up: https://www.forbes.com/sites/bensin/2019/11/06/testing-xiaomis-108-megapixel-camera-against-the-iphone-11-pro-and-samsung-galaxy-fold/#66163ab7676e Here's his analysis from same reviewer:

Ditto. Suggestive teaser.

And without forgetting h.265 is more efficient than h.264 as for instance demanding for less bit rate straight out the box.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/geoffreymorrison/2019/11/07/kandao-qoocam-8k-360-camera-preview/#668a3cb64492