Walter H

Cool. 

I've spent time (well over an hour) with it in my hands and capturing images in two different shops. Having never owned a full-frame DSLR, the size is an adjustment but what I think about more is what it will be like to point it at people relative to my X-T3. It is so much more conspicuous. 

But I am sooo impressed with the build of the camera and the color is exceptional, the possibility of high-quality audio (the pre-amps on the X-T3 are reasonable but the Z6 is deplorable), no record limits for 24/25/30p 4k make it viable for interviews (and my C100mkII can be a b-cam), stills far exceed the the flexibility of the X-T3 for event shooting (high-DR & high-ISO scenarios), etc. I've rarely relied on C-AF for video (wait - lying... C100mkII all the time - but those cameras can fill different niches.)

5 minutes ago, Parker said:

I've only had an S1 available to me for about two weeks now. I've shot more stills than video — raw files hold detail really well even at 12800 iso — though I haven't quite gotten the hang of how the sensor fully works, recoverable detail almost seems split between shadows and highlights and will just take some practice and getting used to. Pretty robust sensor though! 

For video, the HLG profile is holding dynamic range very well, definitely a leg-up on the GH5 and NX1 that I'm coming from. Color seems fantastic. I've used the 24-105 kit lens for a couple quick, close-up b-roll shots and autofocus worked surprisingly well. Manual focus, even by wire, is surprisingly good too, lots of options and is repeatable. 

Ergonomically I like the camera — nice and beefy grip — some of the buttons are a bit spongy for my taste though. I shot a quick interview handheld the other day just using the video enhance IS (similar to the GH5's IS Lock) and I was definitely feeling the weight of the camera by the end of it, especially with the vertical grip. I'm very excited to see the big new VLOG update though, 14 stops of DR and V-gamut, this is going to be a beast of a camera. 

Interesting. I would be purchasing this as a true hybrid stills/high-end video camera. 

I've shot (in shops) and downloads raw files that I can find. I've had a notion that the files respond "differently" while I worked them in Capture One relative to the Fuji. Without question, tho, is the ability to recover shadows cleanly relative to the Fuji - such an improvement.

I know folks are pretty peaked about Panny's forthcoming S1H, but is anyone here shooting with the S1 and looking forward to the firmware update with VLOG, etc.? 

Curious about current experiences, what systems you have come from previously, and anything else. The S1 will likely bring me back to Panasonic (from Fujifilm) since the GH2/3/4 for a hybrid camera.

1 hour ago, Márcio Kabke Pinheiro said:

The Fstoppers review says that the gimbal is very good - but you need to balance it very well, or it behaves poorly.

https://fstoppers.com/originals/fstoppers-reviews-zhiyun-tech-weebill-lab-gimbal-imperfect-brilliant-321196

also from four days ago on Fstoppers -- Moza Air 2 raving:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3C0fw_8kAc

Need a proper comparison. 

I handled the Weebill Lab, Air 2, and the Crane 3 at B&H a bit more than a week ago. I loved the feeling of the Lab and it's compactness in hand. The Crane 3 was  heavier in-the-hand but the ergo's were even better, I thought. Worth an additional $300 over the Air 2 -- I'm doubtful. 

Interesting. Yeah, the BH reviews seem to be all over the place. Makes me wonder if the Crane 3 would be the way to go, but then significantly more money.

The Moza Air 2 lists several Fujifilm cameras, including the X-T2 but not yet the X-T3, as "supported". I've reached out to see what exactly is supported and if X-T3 firmware is on the way. 

With such app-dependent interfaces, how can both of these companies produce such terrible apps?!

@mojo43 Thanks for this review. Really appreciate how straightforward and "non-hype" you are. As you mentioned, most youtube "review" content is pretty unbearable. 

I am interested in this gimbal for my X-T3 and Fuji primes for a project in the next few months. Seems ideal for size/weight (although the Moza Air 2, etc. would also be effective obviously). This would be my first serious use of a gimbal in video production. Mostly panning and crane shots, not a lot of following thru spaces. 

Curious if you have used the subject tracking at all? Whether a person of a static object that you are moving around? Panning/tilting?

Thanks. 

On 11/28/2018 at 3:37 AM, sandro said:

I saw a comparison between a73 and z6 and noticed the sony wins hands down in low light performance. I wonder what sony does differently considering they're both full frame and have the same MP.

Can you link to this? Curious.

17 hours ago, Robin said:

Update for you. One green pixel per camera. (Xh1,XT3)

How does that compare to what you would normally expect? 

That's MUCH better than what I have experienced after extended recording with my X-T2. Thanks much!

I'd suggest to everyone to keep an eye on it but hopefully the X-T3's new processor, etc is more efficient and keeps the sensor cooler. Good start.

34 minutes ago, Ken Ross said:

Relative to Sonys and Panasonics it’s pretty bad. Shooting the same scenes the same way, the difference are very obvious. Whether I run n gun or have the time to be more careful, I still care about quality. For me, run n gunning should not preclude getting quality shots. 

My only frame of reference is this short video. Seems rather smooth to me as he is moving throughout spaces but I do notice the stepping when he does the slider work. Is this inline with what you are seeing? 

I'd be pleased but I'm coming from an X-T2 which for me was so bad, I did not use Auto-ISO in video at all. But you are coming from systems which you describe as performing much better. 

3 hours ago, Robin said:

I thought it may be useful info especially if anyone is filming in a hot climate.

I have not noticed any hot pixels or any image issues at all, but I have not been looking for them. 

If I let the cameras run for a bit and then get some raw stills what is best to shoot? A flat colour wall or something like that ?

I understand and appreciate your intentions. 

I'd say any dark surface. Even better would be to put the lens cap on and take a photo at a normal shutter speed, i.e. not in Aperture Priority which might result in a three-minute exposure. 

Thanks much! Appreciate it.

On 10/22/2018 at 1:07 PM, Robin said:

I just did a little overheating test on my Xh1 and XT3.

What triggered this was my Xh1 freezing after 10 minutes filming in direct sunlight in Cairo. (So not unexpected)

Back at home with a room temperature of 31c...

The xh1 recorded 15min 4k(max rec length) but upon hitting record again froze. Took battery out and straight back in and got another 15 minutes..... Same thing happened 3 times in a row, got the full 15 minutes but then a freeze upon hitting record again. It did not freeze while recording like it did out in the sun.

The X-T3......... No problems at all. Did 3 30 minute recordings back to back. No freeze's. Was hot to touch but less than the xh1.

Next time I'll try taking the X-T3 out in the sun, just the lack of ibis is why I used the xh1 in this case.

All recording at 4k in 25p

Thanks for mentioning this.

Question: have you noticed any hot pixels in the footage? Specifically, could you shoot several RAW images after some longer session recording video and see if any are showing up in the stills? 

This became so bad with my X-T2 that I had the sensor replaced (under warranty) which yielded some improvement. I've read of others needing to do the same - Zed Pro Media documented their issue, for example.

Curious. Thanks.

32 minutes ago, androidlad said:

I personally find that floaty ultra smooth movement kind of offputting.

@Emanuel I would be very interested in your review if you touched upon the ability to lessen/strengthen the stabilization effect, if that is a possibility and how effective it is. 

Often when I stabilize in post, I knock the effect down to between 20-30% to "take the edge off" w/o creating that floating feel.

4 minutes ago, eyesuncloudedphoto said:

I haven't noticed hot pixels in either the X-T2 or the X-H1, but, to be fair, I only did smaller clips with both, because of the length limitations.

I'm heading to an athletic event later today, and will also be shooting tomorrow, and will make sure I'll share some short unedited footage, since also members on FB groups I administer have asked about it. Probably Monday. ?

Brilliant! Thanks much.

@Attila Bakos @eyesuncloudedphoto I'm wondering about video usage and hot pixels - pretty terrible when I've bouncing between photo and video during an event with my X-T2: after some amount of 4k shooting, I will start having numerous hot pixels in my RAW files, which only become worse as the event goes on. I've not heard that complaint from folks with the X=H1.

Also, everyone, sorry if there are already links earlier in this thread, but...

Could anyone share some 4k H.265 clips (preferably Flog but Eterna is great too) in the 20 - 60 second range? 24p or 60p. Higher bitrates would be great. Dropbox link?

I'd love to get a feel for some of the footage but mostly curious about editing performance of the H.265 with my system, the possible need to transcode, etc. 

Thank-you!

(ignore. wrong thread.)

These forums are descending into uselessness. Snarky, forum-fueled narcissism, unthoughtful. 

I come to these spaces to glean insight from smart, experienced people. That has been the case (and often still can be) here and in other venues, but typically once we are more than three pages into any given thread, the loathsome : generous ratio is not good.

@Attila Bakos Hello! I just made a donation to you at colorizer.net and thanks for creating this LUTS. Is there any consideration still to make a flat Eterna LUT? I just find the backed in contrast of Fuji's Eterna LUT too severe as a starting point but I do think the color is beautiful. 

Curious. Still shooting with my X-T2.

What do the last ten posts actually add... to anything meaningful? 

18 hours ago, BTM_Pix said:

Yeah, the one they've missed the trick with is recording 4K F-Log internal whilst outputting an HD version of it over HDMI.

Ditto having no HDMI when you're recording HD F-Log either.

Not being able to get a monitor feed when its own monitoring is bit limited  (no zebras are even more of an omission now with internal LOG as, arguably, is the monitoring LUT) is a letdown.

I found stepping through the recording options is a bit painful as its doing one of its fast reboots between each step to switch the displays on and off so it takes a while to get from HD to 4K. It would be good if they could at least let you save your formats in the C slots.

Oh well, I'm nitpicking now

I don't think it's a nitpick. I was expecting to shoot F-Log with the exposure tools and / using a monitoring LUT with my SmallHD Focus. Buh-mer.

2 minutes ago, Attila Bakos said:

Unfortunately 100/120p has the same aliasing issues as the X-H1. 50/60p looks fine, I'm not seeing a change there.

Well, unsurprising actually, but thanks for the confirmation.

37 minutes ago, Inazuma said:

Getting very tired of reading this over and over and over

Totally agree. Unhelpful, unnecessary, ego-driven, snarky. No, Kisaha, it is not "simply pointing out information" if your reply swings that way. These sorts of comments just bring the purpose of these forums down.

I'm looking forward to spending significant time with the new firmware later in the week. Curious if the slow-mo aliasing issues of the X-H1 show up in the X-T2 post-firmware update - in the 60p as well.

Glad, glad for the Flog and Eterna LUT. Jonnie at Cinema 5D had a nice, short intro to the new firmware. Basic story but the images look good.

@Vladimir Thanks for sharing your work. Hard to discern much from about the X-H1 from that set of images - very much about creating an emotional feel rather than the "impact" of the second half.

Can you say a bit about settings that worked better for you / differences from the X-T2 that you appreciated from bit rates to lens options, etc.? Whatever stood out to you / made the the shoot easier or not?

23 minutes ago, mkabi said:

I'm confused by this statement... so say you have 5 min. left in your battery, and you say.... ok guys.... cut.... lets take a break so I can swap out batteries. So you stop recording and instead of taking out the battery you just put on the grip with the additional batteries, its going to turn off the camera after 5 min of use?

I hear you but not everyone is film making. I'm trying to use my X-series cameras as a b-cam to my C100mk2 for interviews or as a stand-alone when I want a smaller kit. 

The fact that the X-T2 and X-H1 cannot switch between batteries w/o interrupting the recording is a real bummer, certainly for the interview approach I prefer.

This becomes more challenging when doing both stills and video over the course of a working day and batteries have been partially drained in the grip. It's an issue for me and makes the new camera not working it. 

5 minutes ago, Attila Bakos said:

The camera eats the batteries one by one, the one in the body comes first, then it switches to the ones in the grip. When this switch happens, recording stops. The camera won't turn off, you just have to press record again. It's easy to forget, and because the screen is on, it's easy to remain under the impression that your recording is on. Then comes the surprise, and blood pressure rises to 200 in like 1 second.

Interesting. I experienced the flow of battery use the opposite in the X-T2 - grip first.

Results in blood pressure are the same however. 

That is an excellent review shared by @jindrich. Interesting to see the behavior of the IBIS in the "Laguna Beach" video.

I've just packed up the X-H1 I recently purchased and sent it back to Adorama. It really is an excellent camera and so many improvements over the X-T2 for a true hybrid shooter. These were my issues:

I also experienced too much jerkiness with the IBIS. In "Laguna Beach" you can see some of the hops and jerks now and then, even within their chosen edit. Even with smooth, slow pans, I would have a fair bit of this. I spoke with a Fuji tech yesterday and "Dan" informed me that is was likely an issue of "buffer on the sensor" and that was all he could say. There are time too when the IBIS produces an effect akin to a warp stabilizer in post that I loathe.

I also picked up a Fringer Pro adapter and much prefer the quality of the stabilization I get in my Canon 17-55/2.8. I am using this with both my X-T2 and tried it with the X-H1, both IBIS off and lens stabilization on and IBIS on and lens stabilization off as well as both on. For me, relying on the lens stabilization in the Canon produced the best look consistently.

I would love to use my fast, small Fuji primes, obviously, but this 1st gen. just IBIS just isn't there yet for me.

The other issue I had was the increased aliasing in the X-H1's 1080p/60 vs. the X-T2. It's there.

So with the Fringer adapter, the upcoming firmware, and examples like what @Vladimir posted, I've got a lot of mileage to pull from my X-T2 still. Feeling good about that. Excited about that shutter mechanism coming to the X-T3 or an X-H2 with better IBIS and aliasing control.

Oh, lastly, I think the new grip is not universally better. It is better than an X-T2 w/o the battery grip, which I shoot with, but felt just a bit more than what I wanted. Subjective, is all.

Dude, you had me until your previous post. Now I wonder how sincere you are to make a move for in-the-moment needed cash. You are in the same breath lusting after other things (i.e. the most expensive route of a $2k new body) and saying that you are so broke you need a body in the $500 range. Which is it? And how much can you actually make by selling what you have to purchase other, lesser equipment.

You love your camera and Zeiss lenses. Refer to posts by @Mark Romero 2 and @anonim. I am all for cutting out the hardware "fluff" and selling off anything you do not need, but the notion of downgrading might leave you very unsatisfied.

I'd suggest being honest and doing a budget sheet to calculate what you could reasonably sell your kit for, actually sell two lenses you have not used in the past year (if they exist), calculate what a lesser "kit" would cost you, and then figure out HOW ELSE to raise the difference in cash you need. I've no idea of your circumstance but picking up some other part-time work and budgeting tightly for a couple months might be all you need.

If this does not work, then sell the GH5 and m43 lens and any Zeiss glass you don't use. Keep the rest of the Zeiss glass and say, I'm giving myself a year to get my financial life in order and then re-enter passion film making. Learn some new skills in the meantime and shoot with your phone.

4 minutes ago, Attila Bakos said:

That's not that easy unfortunately. I created my own method and software to do these conversions. I take about 15000 reference points from each profile to build the conversion LUTs. So basicly I need to have the body for a few days, I can't give away my method and tools.

Gotcha. Fully understand. If I could provide you with a body, I gladly would. 

Thank you for your work and for making it available! I look forward to downloading and experimenting with your LUTs this weekend. 

Where are you located, btw?

Ich kann auch Deutsch wenn nötig!

@Attila Bakos Amazing! Yes, would like to talk more about a flatter Eterna. I have a X-H1 that I believe I will return early next week. Want to give myself the weekend to be sure, but with the upcoming X-T2 firmware, I think that sealed it for me. What I would miss the most is the Eterna and the shutter if the X-H1. You could help with one of those at least!

Can you give me a shot list to shoot in both Eterna and FLog that I  can shoot I've the weekend? Various conditions? What do you need?