Andrew Reid

Go and see what Canon say about the design of the sensor and prove to me that it is BS. Because at the moment you are the one full of BS.

[html][img]http://www.eoshd.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/539.jpg[/img] Above – genius, behind the Panasonic GH2. The leader of Panasonic’s digital imaging development team has admitted that resources have been diverted from global shutter development in order to satisfy market demand for 3D gimmickry. [url="http://www.eoshd.com/content/362/panasonic-g-series-dev-team-hints-at-rift-with-marketing/"]Read full article[/url] [/html] PLEASE NOTE: this is an old article.

In my opinion... A mixture of April Fools Day and Russian humour. ::)

There's nothing similar what-so-ever between the 5D Mark III's sensor and C300. One is a 8MP sensor with custom bayer design for true 1080p and the other is a classic bayer 22MP for photography.

What have you done to that frame grab to make it look so bad?  ??? There aren't any halos on the original footage so just curious to what you did to introduce them... What is the point? There's even one on the text I added, that wasn't there before (Photoshop). In my opinion the footage looks hands down better. Not sure if in-camera sharpening was on or off in this test, something to bear in mind too.

James told me the top OLPF is easy-ish. But the 2nd is bundled in with the self-cleaning unit. My advice is wait for him to do a guide of some kind. Looks very promising.

[html][url="http://www.vimeo.com/39594898"]http://www.vimeo.com/39594898[/url] Update: James has had a full day’s shooting now with the modified 5D Mark III. Check out the footage above. Warning: please wait for this to all shake out. Don’t hastily modify your 5D Mark III without the necessary technical knowledge and research. Opening the camera voids the warranty and risks irreparable damage. [url="http://twitter.com/#!/millerandmiller/status/186085781683703809/photo/1"]James Miller[/url] has decided to open up his brand new Canon 5D Mark III, tear it down and remove the blurring anti-aliasing filter from in front of the sensor. It does seem like a particularly strong optical low pass filter on this camera, which produces very soft results in video mode. [url="http://www.eoshd.com/content/7727/james-miller-removes-optical-low-pass-filter-from-5d-mark-iii-for-resolution-increase/"]Read full article[/url] [/html]

[quote author=cameraboy link=topic=494.msg3245#msg3245 date=1333131808] GH2 has great resolution  but resolves around 780 lines ... c300 goes beyond 1000 lines probably with little false details... there is something about f3 vs fs100 ... fs100 resolves around 700 but f3 goes almost 1000... same sensor but different olpf .. measurement take by slashcam.com ... i believe that guys doing best job... [url=http://produktdbimages3.slashcam.de/camcorder-testergebnisse_testbilder_luminanz_aufloesung_211.jpg]http://produktdbimages3.slashcam.de/camcorder-testergebnisse_testbilder_luminanz_aufloesung_211.jpg[/url] [url=http://produktdbimages4.slashcam.de/camcorder-testergebnisse_testbilder_luminanz_aufloesung_204.jpg]http://produktdbimages4.slashcam.de/camcorder-testergebnisse_testbilder_luminanz_aufloesung_204.jpg[/url] 1. f3 2.fs100 [/quote] Please elaborate on those charts, I have no idea what they mean  ;D

Even if it is not real 4K, it will still be a lot higher resolution than real 1080p. GH2 is not real 1080p either, but yet it is within 2-3% of the C300's resolving power! It is important not to overstate and overhype small things. Overhype the big things by all means!

I'm not saying there is no need. I am saying it is vastly overrated like raw is as well. I don't colour grade my stuff, I prefer to get it right at the time of shooting.

[quote author=Tzedekh link=topic=494.msg3230#msg3230 date=1333115715] If the FS700 records 4K but only at 8-bit, that would be really stupid. [/quote] I'm all for this opinion, but you must say why and not just say that it is stupid...

It isn't really supposed to take the place of the F3. If it was, it would be called the F4 not the FS700. I am not sure where you got 10 stops of DR from. The FS100 had at least 11.5! 4:2:0? Again - not a very good guess. This will be 4:2:2 as the FS100 also does to an external box. 10bit is overhyped, I feel. So I have a challenge for you! Show me the difference between 8bit FS100 footage and 10bit F3 footage and exactly what 10bit (not 4:4:4 just the 10 bit colour) brings to a 4:2:2 image. In my opinion, 4K is a bigger deal than 10bit colour.

[quote author=cameraboy link=topic=494.msg3221#msg3221 date=1333099643] because is NEX its probaly 8 bit 444 HD-SDI ... and if records 4K internaly thats going to be 80-100 mbit 420 h264... gamma curves same as fs100 ... no slog .... that is enough to protect f3... [/quote] Gamma curves on the FS700 are as the F3.

[quote author=raphwoody link=topic=494.msg3218#msg3218 date=1333092160] But won't such a camera, for all intents and purposes, make the Sony F3 obsolete? [/quote] Apparently they have 2 other cams coming at NAB, one between the F3 and F35  :o

[quote author=Chris Santucci link=topic=494.msg3204#msg3204 date=1333073103] "the FS700 does 4K via 3G HD-SDI to an external recorder." My Red One does 4K and doesn't need an external recorder. [/quote] Does your RED one do clean low light and cost $8000?

[quote author=FilmMan link=topic=494.msg3197#msg3197 date=1333068842] News is spreading: This is another guys post about talking about the merits of 4K.  Sony will have a huge winner here. [i]The point is 1080p and REAL 1080p FS100: [url=http://produktdbimages3.slashcam.de/..._klein_204.jpg]http://produktdbimages3.slashcam.de/..._klein_204.jpg[/url] Canon C300: [url=http://produktdbimages0.slashcam.de/..._klein_260.jpg]http://produktdbimages0.slashcam.de/..._klein_260.jpg[/url] Both 1080p, C300 with 4 K Sensor.See the difference ? ^^[/i] [/quote] Have my doubts about those chart shots, which I saw earlier. Those links seem broken can you repost? Who says the FS700 won't do 'real' 1080p as well? Is that chart really representative? Why is the white so much brighter in the C300 shot?

[quote author=tvpglabs link=topic=494.msg3193#msg3193 date=1333065878] And we're going to have to wait till September for a response from Panasonic?  Anyone else nervous it's going to be too little too late? [/quote] GH3 in September probably, but that is not a response to an $8000 camera is it? Panasonic's response, if there is one, will also be at NAB. I'm expecting an update to the AF100 or a higher end version to compete with the C300 and FS700.

[quote author=moebius22 link=topic=494.msg3190#msg3190 date=1333063649]The resultant FS100 markdowns may make that camera worth considering for many. I still can't find a used one for that much less than a new one with rebate. [/quote] This is a big point... Not only does the FS700 spell trouble for Canon at the $16,000 mark, it will spell trouble at the $3500 mark as well. The 5D Mark III was not enough to compete with the FS100 at that level, and now the results are about to bite. My FS100 was $4200 on eBay. I can see it coming down to $3500 - not too much lower since it is still a fantastic camera and there isn't much else like it around at the moment. Who else thinks Canons seem be completely shackled by corporate immobility at the moment?? GET ON WITH IT

[html][img]http://www.eoshd.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/sony-NEX-FS.jpg[/img] Above: the current FS100 (pictured) will get a 4K companion at NAB At NAB 2012 next month, Sony will shake the digital cinema market to its core. Sony’s answer to the C300 is a 4K Super 35mm update to the FS100. It will be available in June for a provisional $8000. [url="http://www.eoshd.com/content/7710/the-sony-nex-fs700-4k-for-8k/"]Read full article[/url] [/html]

No, D4 grab in article is fully representative. Those leaves are very smooth, hardly any fine detailed. Not a good test subject. Try a wide angle on landscape instead.

[quote author=Simco123 link=topic=482.msg3164#msg3164 date=1332993215] So do you think a 4k Canon EOS dSLR is going to be more expensive than Canon flagship EOS DSLR the 1DX :o A flagship camera is meant to be the most expensive unless the 4K EOS dSLR will takes over as the flagship which is unlikely. [/quote] Of course it will. Cinema EOS range is aimed at cinema people. Their gear costs serious money. It isn't an Indie Cinema EOS range. Canon don't seem interested in us at the moment.

The higher quality patches are limited because of the size of the card and how much more image data they put on it. It is the trade off - performance or clip length? I recommend Vanilla if you are doing continuous takes longer than 20 minutes.

[quote author=eosjames link=topic=472.msg3156#msg3156 date=1332968727] I think the imagery is amazing..... I know and realize the limitations. Hats off to JVC for at least starting something like this at under 5K. [/quote] They stitched together 4 1080p cameras. I don't want to be cruel, but it isn't going to be a solution that lasts for very long. Hats off to JVC for trying something different... But there is something wrong with them. Maybe not enough resources.

Great. I am in two minds over this. 1. Utterly support any indie camera manufacturer. They are needed more than ever. 2. A lot of money for a more gradeable image profile compared to the GH2. They have their work cut out but if the image is significantly more cinematic than a DSLR I will be getting one. Let's keep the Kineraw news coming on the forum. Cheers.

[quote author=Shawn_Lights link=topic=484.msg3148#msg3148 date=1332959620] Sorry I think splitting the market makes more sense. Videographers need certain features and Photographers need certain features. Providing a balance means you're paying for features you don't need. Unless you just want decent video and good photo capabilities. I think this is the route Canon is going. The 5D3 provides decent video but it's mainly for stills. They'll release a cinema dslr to cater to videographers. If you take out some of the photo features you can provide more video features for cheap. [/quote] I disagree with you on two quite big points here sir... A lot of people DO want both pro stills and pro video in one body. Carrying just one camera as opposed to juggling two, plus lenses makes a lot of difference if you are shooting on foot in the real world outside of a comfortable studio. And then there is the issue of price and that full frame sensor. Name a video-only pro camera that does full frame for $3000 and I will buy it in a flash!! Oh... It doesn't exist. This is why so many videographers will be buying the D800 for video even though they have no interest in stills.