Andrew Reid

I'd rather have what I need, with the occasional glitch, than have the feature lacking entirely.

If you have given up expecting a minimum of video performance from Canon DSLRs, why do you keep defending them? Isn't it a big disgrace that even a loyal customer like you after spending thousands feels disappointed? 5D Mk IV should be your dream camera, a must-buy, and you are saying you would never spend 3700 euros on it.

It's always a compromise. The most reliable F1 car does not last for 10 years like your reliable town run-about does it?! The engine goes pop after 2 or 3 races and the parts have an ultra short lifespan. They get through a race reliably... That is different.

Yes and Canon will never build an F1 car, they have resigned themselves to uninspired reliable work tools and even the odd exciting office photocopier! Performance / reliability is always a compromise. It was Ross Brawn at Ferrari who made them reliable by putting good technical structures and procedures in-place, like post-race debrief sessions, parts compliance, better standards at the factory, etc. and Michael Schumacher was just a technically gifted driver, I sometimes think Schumacher gets too much credit for turning around the team when it was actually Brawn and the existing backroom staff. If you are an F1 fan get Total Competition by Ross Brawn and Adam Parr, a very good read!

Don't go on about your Toyota at a Ferrari enthusiasts club.

You point to a reputable link that shows Sony and Panasonic's camera divisions are loss making non-profitable entitles then!

Anybody that needs good 1080p. Remember, the 6D Mark II's 1080p mode should really be labeled standard definition "540p", with moire. They should put Moire as a sludge coloured badge on the side of the box. It's practically the same camera. Only difference is sensor size. A Sigma 18-35mm F1.8 will give the 80D a very similar image to the best F2.8 zoom on the 6D Mk II for much less money. You did! You said Sony, Panasonic, Fuji, etc. aren't profitable so that only leaves two that are! It's just wrong! If they were not profitable they would not be in the business for 15+ years and bringing out new stuff every few months! Yes Sony outselling Nikon full frame cameras... That's not what I call "in the red"! C'mooooooooon.

So only Canon and Nikon are profitable? Sony is actually now ahead of Nikon on the US market for all interchangeable lens photography equipment. They had record sales in 2017 and outgrew a contracting overall market minus-Sony made up of a drifting Canon and Nikon going slowly nowhere. As for Panasonic, well you only have to look around the streets in most major cities worldwide to see mass-market consumers using their G series mirrorless cameras. Find any tourist hotspot in the world and take a sample. It's not all Canon and Nikon. I don't know about you, but I would mind having the proceeds from some of those sales in MY bank account For Sony meanwhile, the sensor business IS part of the camera business, and if you add smartphone photography to the mix then Sony has a larger part to play in worldwide sales of cameras than even Canon. For most of it's life Samsung's camera division did not bleed money. It was only in the final 1-2 years that sales saw a dramatic downturn because the bulk of Samsung's market share was in the low-end products that smartphones were killing off. That's why at the last moment they switched to the high-end with the NX1 and courted us filmmakers and enthusiasts, but in the end they felt it was time to pull the plug because of the continuing low sales and that frankly that a gargantuan company the size of Samsung had bigger fish to fry like military contracts for tank building, ship building and worldwide billion dollar smartphone market. In terms of photography they didn't have the kind of loyal sheep to fall back on as Canon and Nikon do so it was always going to be one of their smaller profit lines, selling NX1s to filmmakers

A high performance Ferrari isn't going to be as reliable as a Toyota you drive to the supermarket. The NX1 is many many times the performance of the Canon and Nikon cameras in terms of the internal processing. Personally I've never had it crash due to heat. It crashes on occasion due to the firmware, the hack, and the fact Samsung have stopped patching it. What lens did you have on the A7R II? If it's via an adapter then it may not even be the fault of the camera. Personally I have never ever had my A7S II crash during a stills shoot. Or a video shoot, come to think of it. I'm sorry you had a worse than average experience. It's not normal. Sure, with certain cameras especially the A6500's lack of conservative heat-management, Sony do need to focus on that last 1-2% of reliability but I'd rather the occasional hang in high performance mode than a permanently crippled low performance mode as found at Canon and Nikon. By the way people should be careful about using stats like "in 2013 Mirrorless was only 5% of shipments" Shipments can go down at same time as sales going up, for example if the models are high-end like the A7R II as they are sold for a much higher price but in smaller quantities than the low-end mirrorless shite by the bucket load.

A larger sensor needs more voltage and runs warmer, but it depends on the design. Copper or aluminium? Stacked? BSI? What's the pixel architecture? Etc. etc. 20MP is 20MP. As far as the image processor goes. 4K is just 8MP. Sony can pull off 20MP at 240fps on the RX100 V in the body the size of a pocket compact, with a tiny battery. So no excuses for Canon... Their own in-house full frame CMOS technology has been 4K capable since 2012 (1D C).

That quotes the Nikkei article that Panasonic ended up having to disprove in public because of how badly worded it was "dismantling camera division" when it was actually just a normal restructuring of the pro and consumer departments for marketing reasons. Also ThePhobloggrapher article seems to be written by a child.

On the stills side they are behind with mirrorless, with no real premium or pro model. The M5 is a PowerShot, basically. The lens range just isn't there for Canon in mirrorless and that takes a lot of time to develop. They have no presence in medium format either. Their 50MP sensor is behind Sony's 42MP on noise, 4K video, dynamic range, etc. 5D Mark IV sensor is behind Sony as well. So yeah, photographers are starting to shuffle in their seats as well.

I agree 100%. Canon need a change of management in Japan with relation to the photographic business as they are killing enthusiasm for the products with the laser-focus on profit margins.

Panasonic and Sony are not in the red with their camera businesses!

Canon DO make their own sensors. They have also bought in Sony chips occasionally like the 20MP 1" CMOS. Canon's sensors put out a raw image on every single one of their cameras and the 80D is no different, they have always led the way with 14bit colour, very good sensor output, the problem comes to when this is hacked down to the stock H.264 video mode and the lack of willingness to employ a pixel binning method on the sensor that makes a bit of effort to reduce moire & aliasing. They have only done it twice - with the 5D Mark III and 1D X / 1D C 1080p. The 80D doesn't just look soft compared to Magic Lantern raw. It lacks the dynamic range, the colour depth, the colour sampling and the uncompressed look. So in danger of going over the same ground we've been going over since 2010 with Canon, perhaps for sake of expediency we should stop trying to defend them and disagreeing with me when I call them out, and get fully behind the campaign to have them give us better value for our money. I have to correct you here. A 20MP or 24MP crop sensor is the same amount of pixels as a 20MP or 24MP full frame sensor! Trust me it's not a good business strategy to leave 4K and good video features out of the 6D Mark II. It wouldn't even have hurt the profit margin of the camera as the technology already exists and is cheap to implement. They've lost tens of thousands of sales. They do. Why else do they listen? Why bother?! Because those are your direct competitors in photography and video! Speculation.

Ah I see your point now. I'd still give the credit to A1ex over a Canon insider though. It's very unlikely they've had leaks from Canon programmers. The results would have been more significant and have more impact.

Maybe, but it would have a completely different look if they did that. All I am saying is he did it for a reason... Dogme 95, low-fi digital look. It's an artistic choice.

I loved what he did with that. It's an Apple commercial, but such good fun. Always loved his style and the Daft Punk videos!

It really did look terrible on a technical level. But so does Dogme 95 stuff in general. I think Dod Mantle did it on purpose. I find it quite an interesting piece and was moved enough to write an article about it so I guess that's job done from the DP. It would be boring if all interviews and documentaries were polished turds, with glossy shot after glossy shot... What's the point?

Don't start dragging this one off topic as well. My opinion of the 80D is irrelevant beyond the fact it shoots really quite terrible 1080. The ergonomics are good and Dual Pixel AF is great, which makes it all the more a shame that the stuff I am talking about in the article applies to this camera 100%.

Yes, with very high quality 1080p in S35 mode.

Don't be silly. It didn't happen, and you have no proof. This is so incredibly incorrect. Magic Lantern raw video has been a steady stream of development and it was never 'dead'. Thank you!

It's not a thesis, and these are real people's votes you're so glibly dismissive of.

In 2009 Canon introduced a disruptive technology. His name was the 5D Mark II and it was the devil incarnate. At the time they had a pro line-up of video camcorders like the XL2 which were used by filmmakers all over the world. Canon's 60+ year old management probably thought they'd just killed an entire business, by accident, with a consumer DSLR. Read the full article

Richard and Lars are great on the technical side at DPReview. Much respect! The rest of the team come across through their work as clickbait obsessed hipsters. Someone else I consider a friend, Mattias, is on a really negative anti-video path right now and I just hope you snap out of it. I just bought a Leica T for stills because of your YouTube channel. You're an inspiration and a huge talent. Why do you have to sour it by being devils advocate all the time? A handy test subject. I have the Hue LEDs as well and they are hell for banding. Very fast pulsing refresh rate to generate colour. So the fundamental tech is similar to the LED advertising boards. Exactly, you see the problem, and switch. That's why we need global shutter to come of age... taking ages! If on Richard had some input on the Jared-based article... It could have been a great lesson on when to shoot electronic, when to shoot mechanical, instead of a 'let's slam an innovative camera for clicks' piece. The only way Sony could have avoided the shock-horror coverage is to put a global shutter on there and it just isn't feasible in 2017 with the current expectations for low light performance, colour, battery economy and so on.