Andrew Reid

I looked at the timeline of the NX platform and it was seriously short lived... 4 years, then they pulled the plug. This was 2010-2014 and so it was before Sony released the A7R II and more. Even Canon are now saying the mirrorless market is accelerating and they want in. Samsung will be back.

Most viewed thread in 2 weeks ever on EOSHD about a camera launch https://www.eoshd.com/2018/04/blackmagic-pocket-4k-watched-camera-launch-ever-eoshd/ Blackmagic are onto something. Begs the question why doesn't GH5S have raw, ProRes and baked-in LUT support? It should have done.

Discuss it here Cheers

So two ergonomic complaints, a complaint about the buffer and a complaint about low light performance. Yes, the dedicated ISO button is on the far left shoulder of the camera. But as he points out himself in the video, you can change ISO directly with the jog dial on the right - easy as pie. Or you can press Fn and use the thumb dials, if you're scared of accidentally moving the jog dial at some point. So the whole criticism is moot and he makes it moot himself. It's more of a handling tip than a complaint, then? But in the clickbait headline it's a PROBLEM. The other complaint is that the screen flips out, rather than be fully articulated like on the GH5. But the Sony screens do that as well, don't they, and he raves about them. The buffer section of the video I skipped... Can't comment. Not related to video whatsoever. The 4K video performance in low light... Well, this was before the high bitrate hack and NX-L adapter So I'll give him that. No, it isn't an A7S and never will be, but ISO 800 is cleaner than the GH4... Virtually noiseless... And that, at F1.0 on the NX-L, is not what I call "bad low light performance"

Digital Bolex has an incredible analogue look and fantastic CCD skin tones. 1D C produced amazing thick files, chunky 500Mbit 4:2:2 4K, with Canon's trademark clean low light and great colour in a small body with a massive sensor. I recently saw one go for under £2000 for first time. It's a steal. C100... Meh BMCC 2.5K is a cinematic beast, I am still amazed by the dynamic range in 2.5K raw it produces even today. The huge touch screen was nice too. Rest of the camera not so much Special shout out to the Samsung NX1. Canon colour in a high-end mirrorless camera, with an image that completely floors whatever the C100 can do.

Good to have a FAQ style round up of all the info you have in your head, thanks for that. So the non-windowed 100fps is pixel binned 2K? The URSAs do. URSA had a massive screen on a hinge. It is a shame the new Pocket lacks this as it would have opened up a huge new audience for it.... YouTubers. I care for it as well, just to save my neck when using a tripod for one thing.

Not to knock it, but as soon as a future GH5 or X-H1 or A7S gets 4K raw internal, what reason would there be to buy the Pocket? And what about all those times shooting a lot of stuff where you need small file sizes? I also have a feeling people will miss things like 5 axis stabilisation and good AF. For now however, it is going to rule. Interest in it is completely justified... Just don't expect it to last more than 1-2 years

They're coming soon!

Have you tried pairing it with EOS Utility? Free copy of EOSHD C-LOG in it for you if you do

Long thread Please can you re-post it?

Call it sympathy for the devil, but I am going to defend the M50 here... The 4K quality looks same as 5D Mark IV. And the 1D C is comparatively 'soft' as well. I don't mind it when the digital sharpness of 4K is turned down. In 1080p, it was a problem. In 4K, nope, I'm fine thanks for detail and don't mind it turned down a notch. The moire issue... Probably very minor in real world conditions outside a chart. The M50 is probably (on a technical level) the weakest debut of 4K video on a consumer camera... The specs are total shit vs Panasonic, Sony and Fujifilm. However the 2.7x crop is exactly Super 16. And you can adapt c-mount glass to it... So look at it this way... As a cheap alternative to the digital bolex with nice Canon colour, EOS C-LOG and other Picture Profiles Cheaper than M5 with better articulated screen, same res EVF Super 16mm 4K video with Canon skintones A way to make use of all those lovely Super 16mm lenses (including the wide ones) without the vignetting you get on Micro Four Thirds It's cheap Great stills and Dual Pixel AF for stills... That 22mm pancake is quite nice too. And you can adapt EF glass to it. So yes... Competitively speaking, it's a shit camera. But it's cheap. And it could accidentally be a nice Super 16 creative cam....

My opinion is a bit speculative but here it is anyway... HDMI is too limited, but there are some cameras with USB C now that could get a trivial firmware update to dump the buffer RAM raw frames to a USB C SSD drive like the Samsung T5. I think we'll be seeing at least one get such an update before the year is out.

No camera has 13 stops at ISO 12,800 to my knowledge though! The shadows will be great in ProRes... Even original Blackmagic camera was creamy, though limited to ISO 1600 max.

You can do NR in Resolve to a higher standard than in the GH5S or any other camera... Tons of processing power to throw at the RAW files and you get to choose how much film-like grain to keep.

If it does RAW over USB C at same time as ProRes to card... That would be an easy solution. I have a feeling one might switch off though, otherwise it becomes a Pocket grenade.

Or RAW to CFast card and ProRes to SD card both internally. I'd like that.

By "standard 4:3" that means it's 21.63 diagonal in all aspect ratios... Multi-aspect sensor. Supports 17:9 aspect for 4096 x 2160 DCI 4K. To do 21.63 diagonal in both 17:9 and 4:3, you need the extra width (19.3mm) Yep, I think this is the same sensor used in GH5S and Pocket 4K. Yes 4K 120fps capable... See the E2 cam...But that needs external recorder, no? I think the internal processing power required for that is currently out of bounds of small affordable cameras.

Maybe that is part of the cooling system... sprinklers

If I were to speculate on the battery side... The larger screen is 1080p... constant 1080p feed to debayer and process, from constant full pixel readout. Mirrorless cams have a lower power, lower res mode for live-view. This probably doesn't. Raw is unprocessed data straight from the sensor, but the write speeds will be higher, card and card controller more power hungry and dedicated processors involved with compression even (maybe). Other considerations... the touch screen UI is like running a tablet on the side, from same battery as camera... probably runs on an Arm processor, and quite a lot of background processes going on involved with the display and monitoring tools... And then there is power and heat management, which probably isn't as well developed as on a camera like the GH5. And maybe they just selected less expensive, but less power economical chips.

How the hell did this thread get 33,000+ views since Saturday. That is approaching half the X-H1 monster thread which has been around since February. Just shows how much long-time demand in-waiting there was for 4K raw & prores at $1299 Doubt a mechanical HDD has the write speeds for 4K raw or ProRes. May as well stick to SD cards. USB C is a great feature for external SSDs though and replacing a bulky HDMI recorder. Like an Atomos Star but smaller and camera-USB-powered.

It's a shame it lacks the tilt screen. It is fixed, with a slight slant like the BMCC 2.5K. With Grant's insistence you can use it for self shooting and YouTube, this is an oversight. They should make a $1600 version with a few more bells on it...3 GH5 batteries in a shallow base and that same screen with a hinge. 4x-ish crop for the 120fps I believe? The S16 Metabones Speed Booster for original BMPCC won't work but XL should. Yeah a good year for Micro Four Thirds. However the E2 doesn't shoot internal raw or ProRes, only H.264 if I'm not mistaken. So less interested in that one.

Not articulated and no EVF though... Horses for courses.

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If Panasonic did a RAW and ProRes firmware update for the GH5S.... Wouldn't that be game over Blackmagic?