Andrew Reid

Veery nice. Were those F1.1? Another fast lens to check out is the Minolta MD 58mm F1.2. I've never had anything for the price come as close to the look of the Leica Noctilux F1 as that lens. Here a shot I did in Berlin the other week, this was on medium format so cheating a bit Makes it look like an F0.95. Do you still have your MF speed booster? Great, will have a look!

yeah but this one is actually losing them $$$$$ They lost £3100 from me when I wanted to buy the 28-70mm F2.0 for 4K.

Got any shots from it? I can get one on Amazon for £340!

Well at least until the Panasonic S1 and S1R come out, but their Achilles heel is still likely going to be the AF - especially via an adapter to Canon EF. I really think the EOS R is going to please a lot of people... and upset an equal amount as well.... both perspectives are equally right depending on who you are and what you need from the camera. Correct, doesn't change the fact. However as time passes you expect constant improvement. Canon are infamous for refusing to give us that. They used the same sensor in some of the APS-C cameras for 7 years! Speaking purely in a technological sense, to give you an idea of how much slower Canon's sensor is, that 30ms is a readout of 2160 lines and 3840 columns. Whereas on the NX1 4 years ago, the readout is 3648 lines, 6480 columns!! Quite a bit more to read in one sweep. If that had a 1:1 crop mode of 3840 x 2160 instead of doing the full-width full-pixel readout at 6.4K, it would have far less jello than the EOS R. The A6300 again is doing a 6K readout so it's processing much more data than the EOS R in the same time it takes the EOS R to do 4K, it is doing 6K. So Canon have technological problems but actually they don't because the 1D X Mark II does 4K 60p and for that you need sub-17ms rolling shutter, so they have a sensor which is fast enough to avoid the worst rolling shutter issues on the market. It is also a problem in silent stills mode on the EOS R as well so not just a video limitation. So they caught up but won't give it us. How cynical is that!?

No need to get an EM5 II now the E-M10 III exists though. It's way better for video.

I wonder how many C200 users actually shoot raw. 1%?

To be fair, the rolling shutter is also pretty shit on the NX1 - but that is doing a 6K readout, no crop, and it's 4 years old!! If the EOS R were a laptop, it'd run DOS.

Only in theory. It's not implemented. 1.4x crop, 1:1 readout. Why have C-LOG in the EOS R but not in the 1D X Mark II? That is more than double the price. Makes no sense. That's pretty much what I said When you look at the kind of people who buy a C200 on the whole, Nino at Cinema5D maybe, who hates using DSLRs and mirrorless cameras. People who rent. People who have $7000 to spend and then some. Why would a mirrorless camera without XLR jacks even come close to that market. No it wouldn't. Look at Sony. Did FS5 and FS7 and F55 users all dump their cameras for an A7 III? The sales figures just don't show it.

Go to 5:52. Richard Butler literally does a jello hand-sweep in the background whilst Rishi contradicts him saying that the rolling shutter is improved. Then he says it might still be problematic for "some" people. Then they move on. That doesn't even count as a proper mention to me. It's just a weird aside in amidst a ton of positives. They keep highlighting positive after positive and Richard is relegated to the status of mime artist. They should have let Richard speak. He knows his stuff technically. Yes it is around 30ms. The GH5 and X-T3 are in the region of 14ms. So it is double the distortion you'll see. DOUBLE! Not 10%, not 20%, not slightly improved, but 100% more slant. Actually what 5.52 shows is that Chris and Jordan were aware of the rolling shutter problem BEFORE they did the full review video, yet chose not to mention it in the full review.... Why? They should literally do a follow-up video about the limitations to balance things out. Fro's video breaks the FTC rules on full disclosure. He doesn't even disclose that Canon paid for his travel and accommodation in Hawaii. He just vaguely puts it out there that he's talking from a Canon press event with palm trees in the background. "They invited a bunch of us out here".

Haha it's a valid question - who does the beta testing at Adobe? Do they have a public beta? Or is it all in-house. They are an appalling company.

I think it is probably the automated systems being overzealous. Fair use is pretty clear in copyright law, isn't it! It's not some airy fairy thing that doesn't really exist. If somebody wants to use a small section of a track in a video for the purposes of commentary it's fair use. Likewise, one of my EOSHD Shooter's Guides is copyright material, but if a YouTuber wanted to review it and put an example page up from it, that would also be fair use and I'd be stupid to take it down anyway because it's increasing sales.

Does it clip the blues as well?

In the end, the results speak for themselves.

Did you ever try the Voigltander 50mm F1.1 as well? I am curious how the 7artisans compares to that. I have a Leica Noctilux F1 But travelling with it is not the best feeling. Scares me to death, dropping it or having it nicked. WHY?

it's the worst I've seen for 2 years straight.

Yup. When Sony went to the more utilitarian style body with the A7 II and onwards, they lost something. The original, slim, sleek, shiny aluminium bodies were lighter, more fun. They just needed a button layout revision, deeper button presses, better dials and a different screen articulation. However, Sony bulked up, perfected, refined, and came out with something completely and utterly charmless. As charmless as a German pudding. Check out the Speed Master 35mm F0.95. Expensive for a Chinese lens but a real keeper for X-mount. It has the super-high contrast bokeh of a Canon 50mm F1.2L together with a non-clinical rendering. Nice mix. Yeah, but you can step up from the 6D Mk II and M8 while keeping the pleasing part of the image. The EOS R is definitely a step up from the 6D II and the M9 of course a step up from M8. Both more expensive though!

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Let's call it a Tarantino mode then - every camera needs one - something that's fun, addictive, imperfect, stylish and to be honest slightly ridiculous. If a camera is too well educated and too much in a straight jacket it fails at being fun to shoot with. That is a Sony. I have only really ever enjoyed the RX1R II, and the rest stays in the bag. Whenever I talk about that elusive "camera-personality" I always seem to bring up imperfections a lot, so maybe Sony is just too good. I always seem to talk about grain or the Digital Bolex, but it's really more about how high image quality expresses itself - emotionally, rather than the numbers, and it is the same with ergonomics and functionality - less about specs - more about personality. The X-H1 I have as well, and I like it a lot. There is however a very slightly clinical soul to it because of how damn sharp the 4K is and how utilitarian the body is. It could actually be too perfect? IBIS too stable. Image too detailed. Just too...... good? Whereas the EOS R has serious limitations and deserves a lot of criticism for what it "could have been", it feels in-hand the closest to a full frame GH5 I've yet known, and when you put your palm out under the articulated screen offset to the side of the body, it's almost as if a C200 or 1D C image is unfolding in the palm of your hand like magic, and everything feels in the right place, and you know it "just works" and is in focus... And you know it can transform into a mirrorless 5D Mark IV at any moment for stills shooting. Then you remember the specs - slow 30ms sensor readout with rolling shutter skew, no 10bit internal, 1.8x crop, so on... And it doesn't make a damn difference to the shoot which is unfolding on that screen or in the EVF. Reality is almost divorced from the specs sheets. It's very weird. The colour. Canon have it very close to Kodak film, or a Leica M9 with the Kodak CCD. The way it handles two extremes of light temperature in the same frame is uncannily like film. There is no tricky wire-act between green and magenta. Warm tones and wood don't have a magenta cast, as if the camera is trying to avoid a green cast. It seems to have a wider bandwidth of colour temperature, in which it sits almost perfectly in the middle - neither too far one way or the other - just beautiful. Same with the 1D C, yet now we have the choice to drop to 120Mbit instead of 500Mbit MJPEG, but the colour magic is still there. Also in handling the blacks, they never seem to completely crush. There is always a creamy, milky look to a dark window at night on the EOS R and 1D C, whereas on other cameras with superior specs, you might see sharp edges or noise or too much detail or too much absolute black. Talking about defying the specs sheet - the Leica M9. Now it's 10 years old yet still has a more filmic nature and addictive shooting quality than most top of the range 2018 cameras. It does not have the perfect plastic still-life feel of a CMOS camera, it has a silk-like grittiness... a contradiction but it's true. Now we have the Nikon Z7 which I am getting on with quite well, but again something is lacking. The outright paper specs are the best on this camera of all that I own (full frame mirrorless wise). But it feels a bit like a consumer gadget, with again a clinically perfect modern image. I can't wait to rough it up with some older lenses via an adapter. The 35mm F1.8 Z is amazing but it's so cut-glass posh. It's like a perfect blonde super model, when you know you'd have more fun with Emma Watson. I need to add some things to my Z7, to get it to show some personality. Maybe a cage, a lens adapter, and turn the IBIS off... Add some imperfections into the shooting process. Otherwise it's just too seamless. Where's the challenge?

Haha that's all true, it's a pragmatic way to look at it. There are two hats the same filmmaker can wear. His work hat where he wants to get the shot and go home. The client is satisfied. The audience is satisfied. The filmmaker gets paid. His Kubrick hat, where he wants the look of film, without issues, every shot has to be perfected, a certain look is desired - that's art. The misconception is that pros care about image quality to put it number 1 on the list of camera features. Most don't. Even at the very highest-end of TV where you'd think a pro camera is most needed, most flick a switch and enable a compressed Apple codec instead of RAW, like on the Alexa. I too would rather have a flaw in the image rather than a camera I don't enjoy shooting with, specs aren't the end of the story. With my Kubrick hat on, the rolling shutter really pisses me off and I couldn't care less about whether a popular audience notices it.

Personal taste does exist, yes correct. I don't like plinky plinky happy hipster music. It's not a proper cinematic score or film soundtrack, it's just elevator music. Give me Vangelis over The Music Bed any day.

YouTube's music library is dire. It is fine as elevator muzak! How, in any way, does it compare to Radiohead for cinematic images?

I could understand if the C-LOG limits were auto-ISO related - it doesn't work well under ISO 400 (banding goes through the roof) - but to restrict it so you can't use an automatic shutter speed seems a bit mental to me. No technical justification. So probably just another thing to nudge pros in the direction of a Cx00 instead. Canon still seem to have a lot of the noisy circuits up-front. They don't seem to have BSI sensors. EOS R and 5D IV are FSI. Same with M50 I believe. That one is the worst for the fixed pattern banding. It is horrendous in the shadows in 4K on the M50. Something to test. Actually Canon pulled a little trick in EF-S lens mode - which is the AUTOMATIC crop mode that happens when you attach an EF-S lens. They made the 1080p the same crop as the 4K - so around 1.8x - so there is no change in FOV between 1080p and 4K in movie mode. With 1.6x crop mode enabled, and a normal lens, there is. So Canon seem to think their EF-S users are too stupid to realise what's going on No 1.6x 1080p for them! All to do. I'll work on it.

A combined 1.7m views and not a single mention of serious rolling shutter in 4K. And we wonder why Canon continue to outsell Panasonic.

If the Cinema EOS line comes at the expense of the EOS line, it should be straight up cancelled. Pro video has high margins but it's a niche compared to mirrorless and DSLR. For every C200, Canon probably sells 10x more 5D Mark IVs. If having crippled video on their hybrid cameras is going to continue for another 5 years, and half their market vanishes, then the extra profit from the Cinema EOS is nowhere near going to be a stand-in for all those lost sales. Canon should accept the fact that they may lose some pros from the C100 and C200 line, who will buy a full frame camera. They are losing these pros no matter what, because some of them are buying Sony, Fuji and Panasonic mirrorless cameras. I'd say no more than a small proportion of pros are leaving behind cameras like the C200 for mirrorless cameras, because they're happy with the form factor of the C200, the interface and the audio side, as well as built in ND. All the same reasons they left stills cameras behind in the first place - as well as appearing with pro gear on a paid job, rather than turning up with a 'toy' in the eyes of a client - stupid though it is to the professional and us - it's still sadly the case that some clients don't trust 'small unprofessional consumer cameras', or would question the capabilities of the shooter based on their misinformed gear views. If anything, Canon can sell a second body to these users and make even more money - but not if it has rolling shutter like the leaning tower of Pisa. I just think a big company has huge inertia. The decisions taken around the sensor technology go back a long time. Maybe even there is extra colour processing which slows down the output. Maybe even Sony holds a vital patent for cooler running, faster running BSI full frame sensors. So the EOS R video limitations might not even be at all related to Cinema EOS and market segmentation. My best guess is... Yes Canon wants to keep pros on the high-profit margin Cinema EOS cameras, they want a range of separate video tools for them, they want pros to buy BOTH video cameras and stills cameras. They even want some people to buy an XC10 or an XF705, you name it, Canon want to sell it you. Yes Canon is aware of the backlash about uncompetitive video specs on DSLR and mirrorless cameras, but due to the inertia of changing the direction of such a big ship, they have to live with decisions made a long time ago about technology, sensor specs, readout speeds, heat dissipation, etc. And on top of that they are more conservative on reliability than Sony, so will underclock things even further to prevent any heat issues in 4K over long continuous recording stints. So add all that together and you are not going to get full frame 4K from them yet. What confuses me is that Canon makes a GREAT deal of their profit from glass. Some have even described Canon as a lens company first that also sells cameras. The bad news for Canon is that I (as a representative customer) was ready for a 28-70mm F2.0, I had it on my radar even since the first Sigma rumours. It would have been an instant buy for one of my other full frame 4K cameras. The EOS R 1.8x crop made it NOT an instant buy, so right there with me and a LOT of other regular full frame 4K shooters they just blew a TON of profit. It's a £3000 lens! I want Canon to put the 1D X Mark II sensor in a mirrorless camera, with full frame 4K and Canon LOG otherwise their C200 users will buy a Sony and their EOS R users will not buy as many lenses. That sensor in the 1D X II is the only full frame one they have which is fast enough to do full frame 4K. 4K/60p on that camera in 1.4x crop... Even if that is the absolute speed limit of the sensor, Canon have room to halve the frame rate to 30p and under, but extend the sampling to full width. It's simple maths. The total data per second coming off the chip remains under the speed limit at the lower frame rate but comes from a larger area. Final thing to consider, is that Canon want to stagger the release of new technology as far into the future as possible, so that we keep on upgrading and Canon keep having a reason to sell you the next model. If the EOS R had this amazing 4K image in full frame without rolling shutter issues, there's two BIG reasons LESS to buy the more expensive EOS R2 or whatever it will be, whenever it will be!! They are leading the market, so why give you everything NOW for CHEAP just because Sony is? Sony is chasing and they NEED to gain market share. Canon arguably does not. I am not saying I agree with this business strategy or that it's right in the long-run (clue - it will probably hurt them) - but it could be yet another reason why the EOS R is the way it is. Also the 3 top EOS R reviews on YouTube don't mention the rolling shutter problem on the camera in 4K, which I think is letting down a combined total of nearly a million viewers. These 3 guys (Peter, Caleb and Jordan) are all wonderful people and I have nothing personal against them, but I think it's a major failing not to mention it.

It might vary depending on heat and other conditions or even how long the sensor has been switched on for in live-view mode.