Andrew Reid

Haha very true. And all those 3/4 year old cameras hmcindie mentioned did not just come out last week, in the age of fast sensors! The EOS R did.

Bullshit. It isn't. I think the only thing subconscious in loving a brand is when you love a brand and project the behaviour it at other people, who you expect to also be a brand whore. Z7 does full frame 4K from a 46MP sensor and the image is amazing so even if it had an unknown Norwegian logo featuring a dead moose, I'd still do the same thing. What a spoilt comment!! In the pipeline is a 100 megapixel medium format camera and all you can do is pre-empt poor rolling shutter performance. You know absolutely nothing about that sensor or camera. It isn't even finished. I don't really want to be drawn by your trolling. I don't need to defend myself. It's my house and I can pick and choose who I invite into the community and who I consider bad for it, who should go. Let's look at your account for example. You aren't offering anything apart from a snide anti-Andrew Reid sentiment, in my own living room and on my phone. You're spinning things and you know you are. This site is about learning new information. When I mentioned the rolling shutter within a day of getting my EOS R. you should thank me for it. You're better informed now, thanks to me (not that you show any gratitude whatsoever). The other article about a completely different camera, that isn't even a review, with rolling shutter that isn't problematic, does not contain a rolling shutter mention - GO FIGURE SHERLOCK!

I am not really used to rolling shutter any more, because all my recent cameras have been sub 20ms. The GH5, GH5S, E-M1 II, X-H1, A7 III and finally to X-T3 - so coming off the back of those, it's like going back to an A6300 - so seems more shocking. Yes, it's possible to get used to it. The other thing is, you don't really expect it at 50mm! But then you realise because of the nearly 2x crop it is more like a 90mm, which exaggerates the rolling shutter even more compared to a 50mm at full frame field of view. If you use a wider lens on the EOS R, it is a work-around for the rolling shutter... Shooting at 10mm or 18mm for example, you will notice it less.

The earliest initial impression I had of the EOS R was the rolling shutter. The earliest impressions I had of the Z7 was that it was nicer than my Sony A7R III in the hand, and in terms of the image, and the rolling shutter didn't stand out as anything abnormal, unlike on the EOS R. It just wasn't an issue for me. Ditto on the D850. It wasn't immediately obvious from the get go, the minute I opened the box. So we're 10 minutes into Kai's video, out of 13 minutes and yes it seems there's a 2 second mention. So I should probably give him the benefit of the doubt. But when I watched it the first time just after release as a subscriber to his channel, I am pretty sure it wasn't in. There are such a thing as ninja edits and re-uploads. But let's be clear, I've nothing personal with Kai, he could be a nice guy, but he doesn't help our cause as customers - he doesn't give the problem any gravitas. He's not even a proper reviewer. He's an entertainer. He turns it into a positive in those few seconds of a mention, which are just soft pawing out claims to the effect of the 1080p "has an advantage" because it has less rolling shutter than 4K, 'just like that wonderful best selling 5D IV you all bought'. That's how it comes across to me. It may technically be a 'mention of rolling shutter' but it's not a mention in the sense I meant it in my article - a mention of just how BAD the rolling shutter is on this camera. He just sweeps it under the rug in less than 5 seconds in a 13 minute video and doesn't really criticise it. That's the *whole point* I was making in the article - none of them mentioned the rolling shutter in terms of it being amongst the worst on the market in 2018 and immediately OBVIOUS straight out of the box in 4K. So whilst @jonpais is calling EOSHD "fake news" and telling me how to run the site, perhaps he should realise one thing. I am a bit disappointed by his remarks. All the squabbling on the forums over the past few months from him and the Sony fanboyism in every subject, treating some threads like his own private inbox for chats and arguments, all leave a bitter taste for me because he's a long-time member. He seems to have gone from productive posting in the early days of the forum about Panasonic, up through being rewarded by being promoted to a mod, back down to being a non-mod due to bad behaviour, and now he's cruising for a bruising or even a ban. I just find that incredibly self destructive.

50mm.

I've never had that problem with Magic Lantern, so I don't know.

What a wonderful guinea pig. Imagine it squeaking as it sails off to Canon Island.

"Attack" is used so often on the internet it's become an attack just to have a different opinion to somebody. Indeed it's not an attack on any YouTuber on that list just to point out they failed and have a responsibility. In my understanding of the language, an attack is when you beat someone up in a bar, for example. I have not yet beat Kai Wong up in a bar.

If I were you, I'd have a look if it is still there

But they are legally required to give air time to extreme nut cases on both sides of the argument. You have the far left propaganda and the far right UKIP propaganda on screen all at once! Isn't that impartial!?

Try enabling CineLikeD on the flight deck!

150k subs wow. Seems like a good watch. He's absolutely right about the stuff I touched on in the article. "It's all just connections" really rings a bell. All these people doing their shill Youtube videos - you should see their contacts lists or inboxes, they will have literally every camera related company's PR department on speed-dial and they expect 700,000 subscribers to believe they are as impartial as the fucking BBC. By the way I have a behind the scenes clip of Cinema5D at work at Photokina if anyone wants it That one's a real eye opener!

Can you please try installing Magic Lantern on that plane?

"Nothing but a bunch of shill-monkeys" ??? Who is this guy? He just got a new subscriber!! Love it.

How have you got internet in a plane?

My EOS R is open to a bit of experimentation! Read the full article (Summary: it works!)

LOL. OK let's refrain from personal attacks unless you are joking. I am not sure which way he bats when it comes to Sony vs Canon that's for sure. Is it just to whoever is being nicest to him via email at any given moment?

Glad we can get back on topic as that's the crux of it for me. Hand picking a squad of reviewers, vetting them first, excluding the ones like me who will not do a good marketing job if it has issues like rolling shutter, then populating everything they shoot with as much eye candy as possible, from palm trees to half naked women, before sending them home with a free camera, is borderline anti-FTC rules and creates an alternative universe online driven by money and bullshit, divorced from reality and facts. I also find that most of these most high profile YouTube 'stars' in the camera world are best buddies behind the scene, because they all meet regularly at events like these, so it is really hard for one of them to stand up from the group and say "hey, you idiot, this is wrong". Jordan would never criticise Caleb or Max or Kai. Caleb would never say boo to a goose. Kai is too busy trying to be Jeremy Clarkson. And Fro is too busy with his hair to even know what rolling shutter is!!

This is correct. The only thing that excuses a front-side illuminated 30ms slow CMOS in 2018 is if Canon is doing something special with the readout that slows it down, in order to improve colour or overall image quality. I just think they are using an old sensor technology to increase the yield at the factory and the profit margin on the shop floor.

Wow there is a lot of misunderstandings around this issue I see. Rolling shutter is not driven by shutter speed. It is 100% how fast the sensor can read out the image line by line, top to bottom of the frame. The shutter speed can be 1/100 or 1/1000 and the rolling shutter speed will be identical as will amount of distortion as the subject moves or the camera moves. The only difference is you will have less motion blur on the slower shutter speed shot.

Don't really see your point Dan. Conforming footage in post has nothing to do with the speed of the sensor.

Yes Canon 50mm F0.95 has mojo but that's another fragile, rare old lens and $3k. Always wanted one. I will wait until a miracle happens and I find it for £10 in a bucket. I also like the look of the EF 50mm F1.0 but again very expensive. That one is a heavy beast as well. And all wasted in 1.8x crop on the EOS R

Punk is dead!!

You wouldn't get this kind of rolling shutter at 60p. The very definition of 60p is that the rolling shutter is faster! Otherwise, you cannot do 60 frames per second

Sure there will, but how will they make it any good without fucking Cinema EOS sales? Or, if (like Sony) it turns out NOT to screw the Cinema sales why not just make the first one have competitive video already? Because they want to sell us an upgrade later, is the likely answer!!