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How to avenge the price of the Canon 1D C and make the camera pay for itself

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Renting is ridiculous for some. A total abject waste of money.

 

If you are happy with DSLR image quality or the Blackmagic, why rent them? They are SO cheap to buy.

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The topic is how to avenge the price of a 1DC not something 4 times less expensive like a BMCC or 5DMK3. That's why my comment refers to "serious" cameras- ie: something that's over 10K.

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Serious cameras are dictated by cost now, not image and capabilities?

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I think we're on the same page TJB. I didn't think you were referring just to expensive cameras, you said "if you're shooting your own project than rent". Shooting it with what? GH3 or C500?... It really depends. One is a good ownership prospect, one isn't. One has the need for a C500, one shooter doesn't. I agree it is a risk to buy very expensive cameras, $12k plus. The depreciation on it is hell. Renting a 1D C - yes that would be fine for some.

 

Just putting it out there that renting a camera that costs less than $3k is not sensible.

 

I am not in love with the idea of renting because I use my cameras almost every day and have quite a few of them. Renting all that would be ridiculously expensive long term.

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I think we're on the same page TJB. I didn't think you were referring just to expensive cameras, you said "if you're shooting your own project than rent". Shooting it with what? GH3 or C500?... It really depends. One is a good ownership prospect, one isn't. One has the need for a C500, one shooter doesn't. I agree it is a risk to buy very expensive cameras, $12k plus. The depreciation on it is hell. Renting a 1D C - yes that would be fine for some.

 

Just putting it out there that renting a camera that costs less than $3k is not sensible.

 

I am not in love with the idea of renting because I use my cameras almost every day and have quite a few of them. Renting all that would be ridiculously expensive long term.

 

Not to mention if you rent something and then you encounter a scheduling issue with an actor/actress etc. It can really add up. I rarely encounter scheduling issues but when I do I be glad I didn't rent anything. This is referring to personal projects.

Renting for clients is easy if you can work it into your price. Renting isn't always the best option. Just have to know when its best to do it.

I'm really not comfortable with labeling cameras that cost a certain amount as a "serious" camera and cheaper ones as not. Slippery slope there. In some situations I'll argue the BMCC is more of a serious camera than a F3 or C300.

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One aspect of the 4K stock idea is that the 1D-C will really shine is it's abilty to get in stealthy places or when you don't want idiots waving at the camera.

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Good point ScreensPro. Most of the requests to license EOSHD footage has been for the stuff I shot in Taiwan and in buddhist temples, the stealth factor was essential to those shoots and makes the footage all the more rare for that.

 

The price of the 1D C is such a shame, it compels us to take a large financial risk or loss. I will likely wait until it turns up on eBay in a year for $6k.

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Just so you all know, I just spent all day with a Canon rep yesterday who let us test a C100, C300, and the 1Dc (we also shot some 5D3, and mushy FS100 footage). He assured me that with the 5D firmware update this spring, we will have uncompressed video that is the EXACT same as the 1Dc in it's "super 35" cropped sensor mode. This was HUGE news to me. Also, from what I saw- The 1Dc even at 4K didn't hold up as well as the C100 with Sound Devices external recorder under controlled light. I'm definitely not poo pooing the 1Dc, but for my needs the C100 is the camera for me at that price.

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 He assured me that with the 5D firmware update this spring, we will have uncompressed video that is the EXACT same as the 1Dc in it's "super 35" cropped sensor mode.

 

Very interesting, if true.

 

GH2 resolution, or more, but with Canon's colour and extra DR.

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that 5d3 fw update for s35 crop mode is indeed a huge bit of news.  if true, I'd buy one!

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Just so you all know, I just spent all day with a Canon rep yesterday who let us test a C100, C300, and the 1Dc (we also shot some 5D3, and mushy FS100 footage). He assured me that with the 5D firmware update this spring, we will have uncompressed video that is the EXACT same as the 1Dc in it's "super 35" cropped sensor mode. This was HUGE news to me. Also, from what I saw- The 1Dc even at 4K didn't hold up as well as the C100 with Sound Devices external recorder under controlled light. I'm definitely not poo pooing the 1Dc, but for my needs the C100 is the camera for me at that price.

 

I don't believe it sorry. The 5D Mark III HDMI will be a Super 35mm crop of the sensor? Or full frame and the same sharpness? Neither seem very likely! I've been told such bullshit by Canon reps in 2012 I am very wary of going off what they say from now on.

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Just so you all know, I just spent all day with a Canon rep yesterday who let us test a C100, C300, and the 1Dc (we also shot some 5D3, and mushy FS100 footage). He assured me that with the 5D firmware update this spring, we will have uncompressed video that is the EXACT same as the 1Dc in it's "super 35" cropped sensor mode.


They can't be exactly the same because 1D-C IS compressed.

It'd be funny(and certainly in the relm of posibility) if Canon started charging $ for upgraded firmware.

Turn your 5D3 into a 5D-C!.....for a "nominal" fee . (insert evil laughter)

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It'd be funny(and certainly in the relm of posibility) if Canon started charging $ for upgraded firmware.

 

I actually think that would make a lot of sense.

 

Many software packages do that, you pay to unlock specific features.

Not every 5D user needs video, not every 5D user needs advanced stills capabilities, this way they could keep prices down and you could build up modularly, firmware wise. This would also be way more ecological than upgrading the hardware all the time just for a couple small features.

 

The BMCC for instance doesn't support Cineform, most likely because they'd have to pay a licence if they did, I think it would make all the sense for them to sell it separately to whoever wants to pay for it.

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I actually think that would make a lot of sense.

 

Many software packages do that, you pay to unlock specific features.

Not every 5D user needs video, not every 5D user needs advanced stills capabilities, this way they could keep prices down and you could build up modularly, firmware wise. This would also be way more ecological than upgrading the hardware all the time just for a couple small features.

 

Crackers would be all over it.

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I don't believe it sorry. The 5D Mark III HDMI will be a Super 35mm crop of the sensor? Or full frame and the same sharpness? Neither seem very likely! I've been told such bullshit by Canon reps in 2012 I am very wary of going off what they say from now on.

Yeah, I'm going to have to agree with you. Even though this is the guy who had the FIRSt 1Dc prototype earlier last year so Canon does hold him high on their totem pole. He seemed to know what he was talking about.

On another note, don't these two cameras have different sensors. Ah well.  If true, you'll see a lot of 5D3's with external recorders soon =] Hope it is!!

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It depends how brave Canon want to be.

 

They've obviously found the magic formula for downscaling from a high-rez sensor.... They could trickle it down to their cheaper cameras and pretty much kill off any threat from Nikon/Panasonic etc for video work (for now).

 

But then people would be far less likely to buy their flagship models like the C300 and the 1D-C.

 

Canon are pretty conservative, so i imagine it will not happen for a while yet. Maybe, just maybe, they will allow it in the 1D-X and 5DIII

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The 5D Mark III HDMI will be a Super 35mm crop of the sensor?

 

Could be, or maybe it has both options. Seriously, an s35/APS-C crop mode on the 5D would make it so much more appealing. At least to me.

I was never interested in the 5D due to it being full frame only, but being able to switch between full frame and s35 would change everything!

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Could be, or maybe it has both options. Seriously, an s35/APS-C crop mode on the 5D would make it so much more appealing. At least to me.

I was never interested in the 5D due to it being full frame only, but being able to switch between full frame and s35 would change everything!

 

would be awesome to see a Nikon hack since the current FX series auto crops with DX lenses.  Full HD on either scale

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On a film production the job of the DP is not to file tax returns or chase clients for new business.

The job of a lone operator is 50% business and not all artists have that skill.

If you have though, the 1D C could be a good investment. I know people who have taken out a loan for more to get something leisurely like a camper van which depreciates and costs money to run and doesn't make you any money. At least this could make you some money.


This seems weird, from canon hater, to fanboy.
I don't see the logic of you're post.

"1DC" EOS "CINEMA" series where utter shit a few months ago according by your own posts.

What's up Andrew?
I feel this is a commercialized post, which is payed up for some kind words.

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No nice little video cam tools like zebras. 8 bit 4K with a hefty price tag. Well if you really want 4k on board the camera then this is for you. Picture wise I don't have a 4K monitor so I can't tell you and thats the point most of us dont have 4k monitors or even 2k And as skyfall was shot in 2.8K I cant see a use for this yet. Especially when you can get glorious BMC 2K RAW at a fraction of the price and the workflow for 4k will be huge and for what reward? Its all got to come back down to 2k or less.

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Just a note on stock...... 4K stock is pretty plentiful. All the usual money shots will have been shot a hundred times over on RED One and Epic/Scarlet (and timelapse), so you are left with niche locations and studio shots that likely wont make you rich quick.

It is never a bad thing to collect footage in the highest quality/resolution you can... But unless you know the video stock industry well and know what sells.... I wouldn't think of it as a good income source.



I notice the ridiculous price at Pond 5 for anything that flies with a military attachment. Most of them all look terrible as well. High shutter speeds with no motion blur, bad exposure, just bad all around. An HS-53 breaking left in a 15 second clip was around 4 to $500!? ...It was1080p... And it looked like sh-t, lmao. The jailbroken 1DX aside, 4k (ish) stock cost substantially more than 1080. Granted I don't know who in the hell is buying that garbage but good footage is slim pickens with that stuff. I wanted some helicopters. Even if i HAD that money, i wouldn't buy it. So i made 4 phone calls and networked my way to a squadron that was nice enough to allow me to come out to the strip and video to my hearts content. (This hasn't happened yet... It's ridiculously cold up here right now.) Point is, I think there's a market out there. It's gotta be cool shit though. Like Apaches. Lol

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Especially when you can get glorious BMC 2K RAW at a fraction of the price

 

Yea?.... Can you show me where, i'm still on backorder.

 

As good as the BMCC is, it shouldn't be spoken about in the same breath as a shipping camera that you can walk into B&H and buy.

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Yea?.... Can you show me where, i'm still on backorder.

As good as the BMCC is, it shouldn't be spoken about in the same breath as a shipping camera that you can walk into B&H and buy.


Apparently $3,000 is a lot easier to come by than 12.

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Apparently $3,000 is a lot easier to come by than 12.

 

I think it's great that it's $3K.  But shameful marketing tactics for a Fisher Price designed product...  

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My point is, I can't shoot anything with a pre-order receipt. The day they are out of backorder and available to buy, we can discuss it, along with all the other available cameras, as a viable shooting option.

 

To hold it up against released cameras is a tad unfair though.

 

Guy 1 - "Well, the $3k BMCC i have on backorder has a better codec than your $12k 1-DC"

Guy 2 - "Shut up for a minute, i'm trying to film a scene with my 1-DC"

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