SLR Magic Hyperprime 12mm. Good Step-up ring?

[BIoodBrother]

Hi,

 

I just ordered the lens and now i'm looking for a cheap but good nd-filter (<-- question 1) and as I found out today it's going to be for 77mm and not 58mm, so that the vignetting wont be too bad.

 

Now, the step-up rings I found on Ebay were all very cheap and I was wondering whether there are differences and if I should avoid buying a cheap one, as I heard that some of you guys bought those for more than 40quids.

 

Can you please help a technical newbie?

 

Also, I would really like to get some recommendings in terms of the nd-filter itself. What should I go for?

Could you post links, if you know where to buy?!

 

Cheers, that would really help.

 

[Bruno]

This review came out this week, might be helpful.

[url="http://www.dslrnewsshooter.com/2012/12/06/genustech-eclipse-fader-nd-filter-sets-new-standard-all-for-165-us/"]http://www.dslrnewsshooter.com/2012/12/06/genustech-eclipse-fader-nd-filter-sets-new-standard-all-for-165-us/[/url]

[markm]

I would get a Mattebox and get quality glass filters

[url="http://www.formatt.co.uk/glass-filters/glass-filters.aspx"]http://www.formatt.co.uk/glass-filters/glass-filters.aspx[/url]

 

I would forget polariser ND filters unless for a backup where you have fast changing light and need speed.. I do have one but MOSTLY reach for my quality glass filters.

[BIoodBrother]

Thank you for your replies!

 

As I really wanna use my camera, without a lot of hesitation and still be able to be spontanious about it, I think, I will have to decide against a Matte Box and go for a step up and a fader.

 

Except ofcourse, if that meant a significant loss of quality and it would make the daylight-shots of the SLR Magic 12mm look worse than those of the pana 14-42.

 

I mean, what if I bought something like that [url="http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/60508-REG/Tiffen_5877SUR_58_77mm_Step_up_Ring_Lens.html"]http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/60508-REG/Tiffen_5877SUR_58_77mm_Step_up_Ring_Lens.html[/url] and combined it with a no-name 20 Euro filter à la [url="http://www.ebay.at/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570&_nkw=77mm+nd+filter&_sacat=See-All-Categories"]http://www.ebay.at/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570&_nkw=77mm+nd+filter&_sacat=See-All-Categories[/url] ?

 

So basically the question is: Is there a cheaper option than the 100Euro + fader glasses that wouldn't be all to stupid on a 500 Euro lens?!

 

And does a cheap step-up imply vignetting? SLR Magic are selling their Step-Ups for 50 Euro. In what way are those better?

 

Thanks a lot for reading.

 

If you know or have an answer for my budgetary problems please respond!

[BIoodBrother]

[font="arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"]What about Hama or Marumi filters?[/font]

[font="arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"]---Marumi DHG Light Control ND Filter 77mm[/font].---- [font="arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"]I don't really get, whether this is a fader. they don't give away much information.[/font]

[font="arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"]What does light control mean?[/font]

[Bruno]

I don't think a step up ring should cause vignetting at all, I mean, if your lens thread is smaller than the filter. The other way round could cause vignetting though.

What can cause vignetting however is the variable ND filter, depending on how good it is and how high you use it. In that first review they suggest using bigger sizes than you might need to avoid extreme vignetting, this could be something to have in mind.

 

Marumi does have a vari ND filter, and it's marked Vari ND2 - ND400, or something like that, if it doesn't say so, it's probably not it.

 

IMO I'd save on the step up ring, not on the ND filter.

[BIoodBrother]

Thank you for your replies!

 

As I really wanna use my camera, without a lot of hesitation and still be able to be spontanious about it, I think, I will have to decide against a Matte Box and go for a step up and a fader.

 

Except ofcourse, if that meant a significant loss of quality and it would make the daylight-shots of the SLR Magic 12mm look worse than those of the pana 14-42.

 

I mean, what if I bought something like that [url="http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/60508-REG/Tiffen_5877SUR_58_77mm_Step_up_Ring_Lens.html"]http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/60508-REG/Tiffen_5877SUR_58_77mm_Step_up_Ring_Lens.html[/url] and combined it with a no-name 20 Euro filter à la [url="http://www.ebay.at/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570&_nkw=77mm+nd+filter&_sacat=See-All-Categories"]http://www.ebay.at/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570&_nkw=77mm+nd+filter&_sacat=See-All-Categories[/url] ?

 

So basically the question is: Is there a cheaper option than the 100Euro + fader glasses that wouldn't be all to stupid on a 500 Euro lens?!

 

And does a cheap step-up imply vignetting? SLR Magic are selling their Step-Ups for 50 Euro. In what way are those better?

 

Thanks a lot for reading.

 

If you know or have an answer for my budgetary problems please respond!

 Well, they even send a recommended step-up ring with the lens for 50Euros extra because of the shape of it or smth. I know that it's not usual but every source tells that you need one.

 

My only question now is the necessary quality. What are the cheapest (still good for the lens) step up ring and nd-filter and what should I not buy.. (probably the no-name 20euro ones on ebay....) - I was looking (hoping) to spend 60-90euros in total for the two.

[QuickHitRecord]

The brand new Genus Eclipse fader is getting some good reviews: [url="http://www.dslrnewsshooter.com/2012/12/06/genustech-eclipse-fader-nd-filter-sets-new-standard-all-for-165-us/"]http://www.dslrnewsshooter.com/2012/12/06/genustech-eclipse-fader-nd-filter-sets-new-standard-all-for-165-us/[/url]

 

Also, I have been able to use my SLR magic with my Cavision 3x3 matte box AND my Edelkrone follow focus without vignetting. 4x4 is not your only option.

[andy lee]

cheap and easy and great image quailty

Cokin P series filter and a holder and set of adaptor rings so you can fit it on any lens you have

and get Cokin P series ND4 and ND8 filters to go in it.

 

its works its reliable and cheap and easy to carry in your kit bag.

Ive gone through Tiffen, Harrison,  Schneider, Kodak Wratten ND Filters  etc for my matte box and I always end up using the Cokins

as I think they look better image wise.

ND filters are disposable commodities , they will get scratched and dropped when on set or outside

so scratching a $25 Cokin is OK , Scratching a $300 Tiffen is going to be painful!

[BIoodBrother]

cheap and easy and great image quailty

Cokin P series filter and a holder and set of adaptor rings so you can fit it on any lens you have

and get Cokin P series ND4 and ND8 filters to go in it.

 

its works its reliable and cheap and easy to carry in your kit bag.

Ive gone through Tiffen, Harrison,  Schneider, Kodak Wratten ND Filters  etc for my matte box and I always end up using the Cokins

as I think they look better image wise.

ND filters are disposable commodities , they will get scratched and dropped when on set or outside

so scratching a $25 Cokin is OK , Scratching a $300 Tiffen is going to be painful!

 

Thank you. I'll get the Cokin P's then. Do you think I need a matte box or could I just do with my step up ring and the filters?

 

Have you got (Has anyone) a recommendation for any particular and cheap follow focus system as well?

[BIoodBrother]

cheap and easy and great image quailty

Cokin P series filter and a holder and set of adaptor rings so you can fit it on any lens you have

and get Cokin P series ND4 and ND8 filters to go in it.

 

its works its reliable and cheap and easy to carry in your kit bag.

Ive gone through Tiffen, Harrison,  Schneider, Kodak Wratten ND Filters  etc for my matte box and I always end up using the Cokins

as I think they look better image wise.

ND filters are disposable commodities , they will get scratched and dropped when on set or outside

so scratching a $25 Cokin is OK , Scratching a $300 Tiffen is going to be painful!

 

I need to ask this:

 

How much of a step-up effect does the Cokin p-Holder have?

Ergo, am I running in danger of vignetting? As you probably have read, I would have needed a 77mm filter and a step up from the 58mm SLR-Magic, as to prevent from Vignetting. Is this getting the job done? Cheers in advance