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I disagree with you passing on information without thoroughly rigorous testing. - What model monitor do you have? - Why can't you purchase a "test with a high quality printed chart"? or go to a facility that has one? - When and where did you send your Z6 in for the Pro Res RAW service update? The first thing you do when testing anything is to establish solid truths and benchmarks. Why you didn't film that same monitor test pattern with a non line skipping, moire, artifact producing camera, so you had a benchmark to work from blows my mind. Let's say your test is not accurate because you are filming with a monitor screen. Then what? The damage has been done already.

Thanks for the reply. Based on your filming the test chart on a monitor you were able to verify the 6k to 4k down sample internal recording that showed full sensor readout and no line skipping?

Here's one of the test set-ups you used. My question is this normal to record test chart from a monitor screen? I would think you have refresh rate and scan issues that would interfere with the test. My regards if I'm way off base and am asking to learn more about the process. - Thanks.

BMP6K for me. I would love to jump to Canon but many questions that need to be answered first.

Based on you Google Drive documents you did use the low res test pattern test that Jungbluth provided. My question in two earlier post was asking if this was normal and the test would be flawed by using a low res test chart. I know for a fact rental houses and repair shops used approved professionally printed test charts for testing and repair. You also post video test in all formats by recording the video monitor that's displaying the test chart. You also crop in on the test chart without reference to any test video links. I ask for you to back up the integrity of your test.

Most of these users are not serious photographers or videographers either. If they do video then they know how much work goes into fixing Sony color. I've seen professional photographers that use Sony and post work with horrible unnatural skin tones that can't be fixed by shooting RAW. Sony is not being used by serious professionals.

Sony makes good cameras out side of color. You can't argue RAW stills and straight out of camera color and ignore Sony video color. ----------- So Sony AWB is the issue? It might be a little deeper and complicated. Other companies are using Sony sensors and getting great color. That should worry every Sony user.

Where does that come from? I'm asking for a friend? If you apply a LUT or grade and going for a "look", then yes it's subjective. Tell me if I'm wrong, if you camera is set up and exposed the best it can be for a given shot and you capture a beautiful scene with perfect light and subject, isn't your camera suppose to capture what we see in real life, first? That's what a stills or video camera is suppose to do at the very least. Nothing subjective about capturing the colors that we see in real-life.

You're kinda doing that in this thread. So ya.

I would kindly tell Andrew if he is wrong but he is 100% correct in his assessment of Sony color. Sony sales are not based on Sony color and Sony shooters have nothing to compare it with except what they've shot from Sony. So many Sony photographers have stopped caring or able to see good color because they're blinded by brand loyalty. I am not a Canon shooter, yet. Arri and Canon have the best color by a mile.

"The Samyangs don't fit the bill because they are just rehoused manual focus DSLR lenses." What entry level EF Cine Lens would you recommend?

Here's the test chart printed from your basic $100 personal printer. Are you test suppose to be serious? "Dear Falk. I just printed your test chart and filmed it with 3 setting: internal, external ProRes RAW and external ProRes HQ with N-LOG. The original, unaltered files are here:" https://www.dropbox.com/sh/5lk44pthoik9zoy/AAC-Bt1R1WEuGgTag0N0RXx1a?dl=0 In my opinion they are flawed based on printing a chart from an online source and how the test were taken. I'll let everyone else comment and decide if the test chart and test are valid.

Your test are flawed to get the result that you desire. So many issues in that test. "Others were less naiv than me and expected Nikon to do line skipping in raw video. Of course, that would be rather bad ... why should one then use the raw option at all if internal recording uses supersampling?" Here's Jungbluth Videografie You Tube Channel. You linked to the wrong URL. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5wkEzkbfTQhjPSqXgsGUIQ/videos

Again? Are you affiliated with this camera also? You also posted about a gimbal you're secretly associated with. You can just post one thread with all you affiliate links. Lol and I am just kidding by the way.

You Tube is a gift and a curse for starting out camera Dads. I have no problem with your take on camera Dad's or people having talent or not. That's your opinion and thanks for sharing it. I would rather someone be brutally honest then not comment at all. My problem with 'seasoned" DP's is the fact that they paid their dues and make a good living in the film industry, that's what we all want, but they do have a secret club attitude about helping other get into the business. I hope I'm wrong about this but I've seen it happen and been told "you have 4 referrals to join the union" but "don't join until you get on a film / show" How do I get on a film / tv show? "You have to join the union." It's also "who you know" and not just joining the union. I've done my own thing and do my own work and I like what I do. I also like learning a getting better at what I do.

I have the Ronin S and have used the Moza Air2. I'm still learning the ins-and-ous of the S. DJI is the safest bet as far as RND and future proofing. It's hard to trust knock off companies that make cheaper untested technology.

My question based on your comments are: You asked Jungbluth to do a test for you and he used a low dpi print out of the test chart. Is that standard? I heard some talk that the Z6 has 6K sensor read out for stills and 4K readout for video.

The P6K was flawless and no bugs to report. Seems like the rushed out the first batch early on.

Don't worry that "filmaker Dad" is the one that's going to hire or fire you. You do sound like a worried DP that's afraid to share what he knows because he's always protecting his job. We all know a few of these guys. Lol.

Why doesn't Sony adjust their color science? Isn't Sony's color science better in the FS7 ?

Not sure what my post count has to do with my comment. Please explain? I thought the idea was discussing gear and specs but not really post affiliate links that you get a kick back from?

Is this spam?

Z6 users that tested the Atomos hdmi lag with ProRes RAW. They said the lag has been reduced greatly. I read comments in Facebook groups and on YT.

Are you saying the image quality of the Canon is bad? Tony doesn't have a clue what real world is. Maybe he did in the past with photography but not for video in 2020.

The reviews say that delay is less for Pro Res RAW. Have you tried the firmware update for the Z6 and Atomos?