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Looks like a cheaper RX100, which was overpriced to start with.

 Sony’s biggest mistake with this is that for a vlogging lens, it’s not wide enough. At arms length, it’s much too close.

 Having said that, it does have a 1” sensor and HLG so would look better after some work in the editor vs the iPhone

Correct me if I'm wrong but you still gotta buy and haul around that $500 Ninja V in order to do the RAW thing, correct?

It would be cool if Panasonic followed BM and ZCam and reduced their pricing.

2 hours ago, Trek of Joy said:

WOW! The M4 is the swiss army knife of E2's - and I love how aggressive the Zcam team is adding features and options. They have the E-ND mount, m43, EF and so on - plus they're introducing their own speedbooster. At $1500 this is seriously tempting.

Chris

 

So you have to buy a separate mount?

2 minutes ago, TheBoogieKnight said:

There's the video comparing RAW recording.

 

Pretty obvious that there's a big quality jump.  I think you have to use an external recorded though.

And what is the file size difference between the 2?

7 hours ago, Lux Shots said:

Not particularly. It looks fine at first until you see it side by side with 4k H264. It looks like you may have missed focus the image goes so soft.

Here is the link, again nothing special, but I did get 4K FF H.264 24p, 4K S35 H.265 60p and 5.9K FF H.265 24p, and ProRes variants for eveything but the 5.9K obviously. I'll be out and about getting some ProRes RAW stuff when the firmware drops on Monday. 😀

There should be 5 files, but one of the ProRes files is still uploading.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1FeBzE69sL0SsmGgi8TuuIGPFdYaZY-R7

Thanks so much!  I see a slight difference btw the 8-bit 60p and 10-bit 24p although I didn't see much difference between the H264 and H265.  This does help me making a decision so I'm starting to lean towards that S1 now.

I'd like to hear more about that firmware upgrade people are talking about now..

On 5/20/2020 at 2:42 AM, deezid said:

You have to wait for the next update in a couple of days. It will improve the H265 10 bit 420 codec and V-Log quite significantly.

Where can I find details about this next S1 update?

1 hour ago, Lux Shots said:

It matters a whole bunch. Maybe not the 4:2:0 color reduction, but the H265 encoding really rubs the shine off of the image.

Oh so you don’t want to use h265?

4 hours ago, funkyou86 said:

here's mine from last august, but only 24p: https://blog.presstige.sk/post/187207698230/bmpcc-4k-raw-vs-panasonic-s1-v-log-i-just-did-a

 

Thanks much. It looks good so I'm looking forward to seeing if the 4:2:0 downgrade when using 60p matters much.

I'm used to Blackmagic now so also would like to know, how have you guys been exposing without False Color?

7 minutes ago, Lux Shots said:

This is currently missing. It's also kinda a pain in the ass to get this working with my S1H, as you have to enable Timecode over HDMI for the triggering to work.

Go figure!

I'll have some tomorrow with a model I have scheduled for a photo shoot. I'll do some video in a mix of 5.9K, 4K FF and 4K 60p.

Great! Looking forward to it. Is this internal or are you using the Ninja?

Where can I find some sample S1 footage with skin tones and some 60P to download and grade?  I'd like to test some LUTs with them. 

3 hours ago, FranciscoB said:

Influencers are the new salesman. They claim they have their own opinion and are not checked by the company but most of them are paid for reviewing  products and rarely do a thorough job. Few youtubers come to mind that do that. Even so, they are still salesman because they're making videos about products for people to buy. They're creating the desire for people to purchase more.

It’s pretty clear to me that many people watch product videos.

Very few people watch short films and wedding videos.

45 minutes ago, Mike Mgee said:

I played with the S1H for a few days and loved it compared to my BlackMagic. That being said, does anyone foresee a price drop in the near future? It is overpriced for what it is, and will only face more competition the next couple months

What'd you like about it compared to your BM?

On 5/6/2020 at 2:19 PM, sanveer said:

And perhaps dentistry too ...

 

You sound awfully familiar. Are you from Egypt, by any chance?

🤣

I'm asking the same question myself.

They look to be in direct competition and now that the Blackmagic Pocket 6K is only $2K, I think the S1H is a harder sell.

Finally, someone's taken some action. This is good news for everybody.

42 minutes ago, independent said:

From Canon USA: "Additionally, the EOS R5’s IBIS will work in combination with Optical Image Stabilization found in many Canon RF and EF lenses."

Ok got it, thank you!

1 hour ago, mechanicalEYE said:

You dont have EF lenses? You mentioned them in your original post.

I had to double check and my lenses were EF-S not EF. So, I gotta buy either way.  
 

Since we're talking lenses, would an EF/R lens with IS help along with the IBIS or doesn't matter since the camera has IBIS now?

11 hours ago, gt3rs said:

 

Nope is this https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1433719-REG/canon_mount_adapter_ef_rf_with.html

other than a huge vignetting.... and some aps-c lens hitting the vND filter in the adapter I see no issue😉

Why would you want to mount an aps-c lens on a 8k FF?

If the camera will offer video in cropped mode too or alternatively you crop the 8k in post then you could use a aps-c still not sure why...

Oh yeah, there's that.   I guess I'll have to swear away some funds for an R lens then.

3 hours ago, mechanicalEYE said:

Yes with adapter. Canon has a VND adapter that I would go for if I had EF lenses.

Is this the adapter?

https://www.usa.canon.com/internet/portal/us/home/products/details/lenses/ef/mount-adapters/mount-adapter-ef-eos-r

Any issues using an APS-C lens on a FF camera like this?

Didn't see this answered yet but can you use EF and EF-S lenses with this?

5 hours ago, leslie said:

Nothing against ribcage but the gopro ribcage mod has an eye watering 5.6x crop factor. I would ask people to do some homework before lashing out on one.  I took this text from the ricage website 

While you can connect any M12, CS or C-Mount lens, 1/2.3″, 1/2” and 2/3” lenses are best. The value in inches simply tells you the size of the image sensor the lens was originally designed for. The GoPro uses a 1/2.3″ sensor. Ribcage has a crop factor of 5.6x for 35mm SLR lenses, so wide angle lenses are generally more useful.

So if my math is right a camera lens designed for 35mm of say 20mm focal length would become a 114mm lens. I have said before i'm not much of a fan of the fisheye look, which is rather odd as i have two gopros 🙄 but jumping from fisheye to a tele length of 114mm is kinda the other end of the spectrum the way i look at things. Nothing against tele lenses either, perhaps you can make it work for your situation. For my purposes i think a 5.6x crop factor is rather large. As much as i would have liked the idea, a the 5.6x crop was just too much for me and well the price here in aus was kinda at the expensive end of things as well.

another option if you didn't have a gopro already ribcage also do a mod for the sony rxo thats got a 1" sensor the crop, details for that are as follows

While the RX0 does have a 1” 21MP image sensor an effective area of 15.3MP is used. Here are the crop factors you can expect when mounting these common lens types:

2/3” C-Mount – 0.78x (some longer 16mm+ 2/3” lenses will cover the sensor though they are technically too small)

16mm (Bolex) – 0.9x (most 16mm lenses will cover the sensor with no vignette)

Super 16 – 1.03x

1” C-Mount – 1.13x

1.1” C-Mount – 1.25x

Micro Four Thirds – 1.45x

APS-C – 1.89x

DX – 2.01x

APS-H – 2.45x

35mm (Full Frame) – 3.07x

no idea how the rxo image compares to a gopro  but a rxo may be a better option for a ribcage mount with the lesser crop and larger sensor, food for thought.

Thanks for the added info.  

I looked up the RX0 and it doesn't do 4K/60, although I do see that those Back Bone guys are doing a lens mod for it too.

Has anyone tried the Backbone mod so you can switch out the GoPro lens with a C mount lens?

Is the Panasonic G9 the smallest one with a zoom lens? 

I'm looking at possibly mounting this on a bike and want to record in 4K/60.  Even though GoPro would be perfect, it's only got that extreme wide angle lens.

None of the Sony consumers cameras, right?

Just off the top of my head:

Panasonic GH series

Blackmagic Pocket 4K/6K

GoPro Hero7 and up

Fuji XT3 and up

Anyone else??