MrSMW

I forgot the Sigma 28-105mm f2.8…
Combine that with the S1RII in hybrid zoom mode and there are two very useable crops the first being 147mm which if memory serves is around 18mp the second being 210mm at around 12mp so both very useable for stills use.
The Sigma 28-70mm f2.8 also makes for a very compact lens and with the same crop factor, 98mm and 140mm.
Shoot Jpeg + raw, the crop only applies to the Jpeg…I think but with video, it’s a proper punched in crop.
4k only though. Doesn’t work in 6k or 8k modes.
As things currently stand…but anything could happen within the next 6 months 😉 my plan is to pick up the 28-105 as an outdoor lens to complement the 28-70 as my indoor lens (mainly stills but some hybrid use each) and the new LUMIX 24-60mm f2.8 purely for video on my other S1RII.
That latter lens will be more like a 29-73 with the combo of settings I am using (5.9k 50p + standard electronic IBIS).
Perfect focal range for my run & gun needs 👌

Agree ^ mostly...
The only area really lacking for me is the space between 100-200mm where there's a bit of a gap.
Between Sigma & Panasonic themselves, they have it covered with primes ie, for most peoples needs, most of the time, those f1.8's.
Sigma offer their f2's which have a bit more 'character'.
Sigma also do the f1.2/1.4's and Leica do their stupidly priced offerings.
The zooms are all very good. In fact I can't really think of a bad L Mount lens other than that stoopid f8 thing they launched with the S9.
The only thing missing for me is a either a longer sibling to the Sigma 28-45mm f1.8 (such as a 45-90mm f1.8) and/or a rival to the Sony 50-150mm f2. A 50-135mm f1.8 with internal zoom would be appreciated and if Sony can do the slightly longer 50-150 with f2, then Sigma could probably pull off an f1.8.
I know the Samyang 35-150mm exists but it's not got the greatest rep and has been hit with the ugly stick. Or is the ugly stick.
As things stand, I am probably going to trade my 35mm and 50mm for the Sigma 28-45mm f1.8 because although it's obviously bigger and heavier than either, it doesn't require a choice of lens but a twist of the wrist and optically is just as good based on my experience.
I don't really like the 18mm though. It has a great rep but for me it's too wide. I don't really like anything wider than 28 but it has its uses in certain situations, so I need to keep it.
It's just above 50 I have the issue... I
I don't want or need a 70-200 but something within that 50-150 would be so much better (as long as it's not the Samyang and preferably does not extend when zooming) but I'd settle for even 90mm as above.

It's not that bad in L-mount. We now have a small 40mm F/2 from TTartisan, but it could be better. Most of the lenses from Panasonic make a lot of sense- a full set of clinical 18, 24, 35, 50, 85, 100mm lenses at f/1.8 (except for the 100mm). They're the same size, rendering, in-camera corrections, usage and everything you'd expect. No other camera maker has that. The zooms are also great. Sure, no Tamron, but should that be the deal-breaker?
Personally, I'm no longer going for "clinical and sharp". Give me anything with character- that's what I want; set yourself apart a little. Clinical = boring in my book. Still, I have many of the primes, but I almost always take out the vintage stuff when shooting for myself (not a pro).
Also, mark my words, L mount will win in the end with lens selection.
What lenses are you after?

But seriously, a less than 1 minute calculation says 13k investment vs probably about a 6-7k sale price on my current gear = not happening.
Even if I just went the stills side it would be around 6.5k - 4k, so a 2.5k flip and…actually that might be doable in early 2026 😂
I don’t really want to go back to mixed brand systems but at the start of this year I was using Sony + Nikon for stills and LUMIX for video and I could easily carry on with LUMIX for video as I think it’s still probably my best option for that, but swapping a single S1RII plus 4x primes for a single Z8 plus 2x zooms could work…and it would give me the longer lens option that doesn’t really work for me within L Mount.
For me, the only real weakness in L Mount for me is not having something like the Sony 50-150mm f2 internal zoom as that is pretty much ultimate event lens right there. In fact, unless physics can be defied, I can’t see anything more compact and as fast, being possible, but if Sigma could kindly take up that challenge…

One word: Megadap

Generally speaking, FF is going to give you lot more options. TTartisans make a 75mm f1.25 M mount lens that should suit you fine without breaking bank:

In an alleged board meeting, it was suggested but in the end, ZR narrowly got the vote.

Lenses to me are now more important than bodies and have been for some time since camera tech reached a certain point.
The best glass for my needs is all in Sony E Mount…which is a bit of a bummer with LUMIX bodies 😂
Tamron 28-75mm f2.8 is better than Sigma 28-70mm f2.8 which is also good but having had both, I prefer the Tamron.
Tamron 70-180mm f2.8 is relatively compact and light compared with the 70-200 chonkers available in L Mount.
Sony 50-150mm f2 is waaaaaay better than the Tamron 35-150mm f2/2.8 because A. it’s internal zooming and B. it’s constant aperture and C. it is optically better. Never mind the super chonker that is the Samyang 35-150mm f2/2.8, the Tamron’s fugly stepsister.
Then we have the Sony 24-50mm f2.8 G which if paired with the 50-150 would make a superb indoor/outdoor option for my needs.
Hmmm, maybe I am talking myself into a flip…
I’m seriously tempted…

Lenses to me are now more important than bodies and have been for some time since camera tech reached a certain point.
The best glass for my needs is all in Sony E Mount…which is a bit of a bummer with LUMIX bodies 😂
Tamron 28-75mm f2.8 is better than Sigma 28-70mm f2.8 which is also good but having had both, I prefer the Tamron.
Tamron 70-180mm f2.8 is relatively compact and light compared with the 70-200 chonkers available in L Mount.
Sony 50-150mm f2 is waaaaaay better than the Tamron 35-150mm f2/2.8 because A. it’s internal zooming and B. it’s constant aperture and C. it is optically better. Never mind the super chonker that is the Samyang 35-150mm f2/2.8, the Tamron’s fugly stepsister.
Then we have the Sony 24-50mm f2.8 G which if paired with the 50-150 would make a superb indoor/outdoor option for my needs.
Hmmm, maybe I am talking myself into a flip…
I’m seriously tempted…

Probably the more likely scenario, but at the same time, even the biggest of companies seem to make the most monumental mistakes.
I guess that the same philosophy I have always had applies and that is just because you are in business, does not mean you are good at business and that can be applied to any size of company from one man band to massive global one and everything in between.
It just takes one single person who has the power to do so to make a wrong decision and...
Personally I think it is conservatism at work as in "we'll go so far, but not all the way" and that "all the way" is just one more step after nine already taken and it makes no senses to me as someone who is all or nothing.
But the camera companies are all as bad as each other and each have their individual flaws.
I just would have thought we were at the point (past the point) where at least one of them would simply cherry pick the pros of each, eliminate the Vons of each and bring something to market that is as flawless as it can be.
These 'flaws' are more niggles than anything now for me. All the major brands offer all the tech I need or will ever need and I could easily and happily make any of them work; Nikon, Canon, Sony, LUMIX, so it comes down to personal choice and budget and there best choice for the latter is almost always the system you are in which for me is LUMIX/L Mount.
The biggest example of conservatism/cost cutting within LUMIX is probably the reuse of the S5 body.
OK, there S5II got an upgrade and the S1II and S1RII further upgrades, but how much more expensive would it have been to go another direction?
Only they and other big manufacturers know but probably more than the bean counters were prepared to allow.
The bottom line is there isn't really anything else I want (certainly nothing I need) but if I could choose just one single thing for my S1RII's it would be the same kind of mech as it already uses, but the screen size, res and brightness of the ZR screen. But that would then require either a larger body or a different type of body so I'm dreaming...
 

I suspect they got cold feet after the BS1H box camera and whatever the other box one was.
See, no one even really remembers their names, or in some cases, that they existed.
LUMIX just seem to have been one of those companies that have focused more on the internal than the external and expect enough respect to come from what it can do, not how it does it or how it goes about it.
Meanwhile, Leica and Sigma within the alliance, have possibly had more focus on the external, the build, the form etc.
Between them, they could build the ultimate camera.
Individually they probably could, but no one ever seems to quite manage it...
The bottom line is we are probably not representative of the bulk of their sales, but I think it's a case of they are not pushing the boat out far enough.
I'm going to have a t-shirt made that reads;
PUSH THE FUCKING BOAT OUT.
OR DIE!

I would absolutely use it and as above, it would be my first choice, clean sheet.
The ZR/Nikon probably doesn't quite have the AF of Sony and it might not quite have the IBIS of LUMIX, but we are really beginning to split hairs these days when it comes to spec and performance.
It's compact, has possibly THE best lens selection (IMO, there is no 'possibly' about it, - it just does including near native adaptation of Sony E glass via Megadap) and it's e Shutter only approach on the ZR and Z8 would not be an issue for me as it is with LUMIX where in certain lighting conditions, it's shit (for stills).
Give me a pair of ZR's, a single Z8 and 3 lenses of my choice, 1x monopod and 1x tripod and weddings/events would be a breeze.
No better than my current LUMIX set up, just a sideways one and one I would not hesitate to use.
I could make the same argument for Sony and Canon. It just comes down to personal choice.

I would absolutely use it and as above, it would be my first choice, clean sheet.
The ZR/Nikon probably doesn't quite have the AF of Sony and it might not quite have the IBIS of LUMIX, but we are really beginning to split hairs these days when it comes to spec and performance.
It's compact, has possibly THE best lens selection (IMO, there is no 'possibly' about it, - it just does including near native adaptation of Sony E glass via Megadap) and it's e Shutter only approach on the ZR and Z8 would not be an issue for me as it is with LUMIX where in certain lighting conditions, it's shit (for stills).
Give me a pair of ZR's, a single Z8 and 3 lenses of my choice, 1x monopod and 1x tripod and weddings/events would be a breeze.
No better than my current LUMIX set up, just a sideways one and one I would not hesitate to use.
I could make the same argument for Sony and Canon. It just comes down to personal choice.

For me the future of LUMIX lies in; A. will we see an S1Hii and B. if so, what will it be?
If there is one in the pipeline and it’s a banger, it won’t ‘save’ the brand anymore than it would for any other manufacturer as it’s a much bigger picture than that, but as a (pro) consumer of this brand, it will at least have demonstrated their short term commitment.
Also we have to remember that the sky was falling in on Nikon just a few short years ago and they were utterly doomed…and at the end of 2025, they are the industry darling.
Financially how any of them and doing and what their short, medium and long term goals and outlook is, probably even they don’t really know and Panny are probably on the shakiest ground of all, but had a fairly big surge, at least amongst the community bros this year so…
Being totally honest, clean sheet tomorrow morning, I’d pick Nikon without hesitation, for my needs, but I think LUMIX/L Mount would still be in second place and really loving my S1RII’s which are arguably the best tools for my specific hybrid needs available today.
ZR vs S1RII for stills? Zero contest, easy LUMIX win.
For hybrid? LUMIX wins again.
Run & gun video? Could make a case either way but unless shooting R2D2-3CPO raw, I think LUMIX has more advantages.
As an outright cine camera, maybe the Nikon.
As a brand for the short & medium term, probably Nikon is the safer bet, but depending on how invested you already are.
Will this pro services thing have any bearing?
Well as a pro with Panny for nearly 5 years now, wasn’t even aware of its existence so… 🤷‍♂️

The polite version is “no thank you”.

Haven't you got an Air Frier yet? Or is there something about France that forbids progress in the kitchen 🙂

Agreed. I have a hard time thinking that in the modes of the S5ii, somehow we're getting systematic overheating on the S1rii. Granted the processor and sensor are different, but Lumix, who is known for testing their cameras well, would have not released it had the thermals been off the wall.

Nope. Approx 20 days of shooting with temps up to mid 30 Celsius and cameras get warm, especially in direct sunlight as all black bodied cameras do, but not a single overheating warning, never mind a shut down.
No lock ups either. Well might have been one now I think about it but had more than that on my A7RV I had prior and a none issue.
Most of the overheating talk is from; folks unfamiliar with the camera in the first place + use age of non-recommended cards + incorrect heat management settings + tests deliberately designed to cook the thing and so combined, well yes, you probably will make it have a meltdown but real world shooting with proper cards and set up? Err no.
Actually, 99% of the overheating talk is people talking about overheating who do not have and have never had or used the cameras and are in reality expelling more hot air than the cameras do!

I think your current GH7 set up is giving you all of the cinema already, but an S9 could be an exceptional full frame option  in a pretty small package.
There’s a new TT Artisan 40mm f2 which suits it perfectly and is cheap and has ‘character’. It’s decently sharp and contrasty but also has a certain glow to the highlights reminiscent of a subtle mist filter. 
Sharp of course is not necessarily a desirable requirement for ‘cinema’ but it’s something that is easier to dial back than add.
The main appeal of this set up for me is it’s pretty small and pretty small means more likely to take it everywhere and use it and it has that ability to be both a personal/family camera and decent cine camera as you wish.
I had been using mine as an A/B cam for work but now repurposed it as a personal/C cam with either the Sigma 17-50mm f2.8 for cropped video or when I pick it up, this new TT Artisan.
Also toying with getting a Thypoc Simera or two for my slightly more pro S1RII’s and turning my S9 back into my working B cam purely for autofocus situations.
Options options options…

For me the future of LUMIX lies in; A. will we see an S1Hii and B. if so, what will it be?
If there is one in the pipeline and it’s a banger, it won’t ‘save’ the brand anymore than it would for any other manufacturer as it’s a much bigger picture than that, but as a (pro) consumer of this brand, it will at least have demonstrated their short term commitment.
Also we have to remember that the sky was falling in on Nikon just a few short years ago and they were utterly doomed…and at the end of 2025, they are the industry darling.
Financially how any of them and doing and what their short, medium and long term goals and outlook is, probably even they don’t really know and Panny are probably on the shakiest ground of all, but had a fairly big surge, at least amongst the community bros this year so…
Being totally honest, clean sheet tomorrow morning, I’d pick Nikon without hesitation, for my needs, but I think LUMIX/L Mount would still be in second place and really loving my S1RII’s which are arguably the best tools for my specific hybrid needs available today.
ZR vs S1RII for stills? Zero contest, easy LUMIX win.
For hybrid? LUMIX wins again.
Run & gun video? Could make a case either way but unless shooting R2D2-3CPO raw, I think LUMIX has more advantages.
As an outright cine camera, maybe the Nikon.
As a brand for the short & medium term, probably Nikon is the safer bet, but depending on how invested you already are.
Will this pro services thing have any bearing?
Well as a pro with Panny for nearly 5 years now, wasn’t even aware of its existence so… 🤷‍♂️

MYPANASONIC ?
That would be 6 more letters to fill in with my black sharpie than I already have to and 6 too many.
They are not going to change the camera brand from LUMIX.
Maybe for some kind of service, but not the brand itself.
Unless they have been smoking some serious grade shit and/or are ‘seeing someone’ for their personal difficulties.

A bit small and lacking in res for 2025, but otherwise looks a decent spec overall but nothing especially exciting.
 
That sounds pretty decent though...
With a clean sheet, I'd still go Nikon personally, - I just prefer their history and direction they are going in.

The polite version is “no thank you”.

The polite version is “no thank you”.

Remembered it now, they are called Nikken Techno and are the official repair centre for France for Lumix cameras…or so I was told and guided to by Panasonic France.
Used them twice to date. Very efficient.