MrSMW

This would make sense to me, or that little LX10/15. Why not develop one of those instead? I keep reading the headline, "there's no market for compact cameras anymore", but aren't these latest offerings exactly that, just a little more video orientated (supposedly) and tagged differently? There are of course limits to what can be crammed into a tiny body, but I don't think we are that far away from something pretty special. The vloggers seem to have wanted something a little wider than a 24mm equiv with the ZV1 and us more 'cinematic' types would like to see a larger sensor and in my particular case, 4k 60p compact with a modest rather than super zoom. We're so close... Except Panasonic who have had a moment of utter lunacy.

But even if there are zillions, none of them will make the mistake of buying this Panny. Or the 5 that do, will package it back up and send it back as soon as it arrives. Joking aside, I just don't understand why a company of this stature would even contemplate this. It's just bizarre...

You greatly underestimate the size of the YouTuber/vlogger market. Just look at the surveys of people asked "what do you want to be when you grow up?". This is always top ranked, sometimes even #1! Additionally YouTubers/vloggers have a huge impact upon the non-vlogger market, as they're the ones producing reviews, showcasing what they use, and getting views. They have a big big influence if you can capture this market. Can make for lots of free advertising for your brand. In regard to the latter, I agree 100%. This tiny minority (come back to that in a second) are HIGHLY influential, even if most of the so-called 'reviewers' simply quote specs and carry out tests that no one else would actually use the cameras for. But size of the YouTuber/vlogger market... I have no idea except aware of course that YouTube is HUGE...but what percentage of cameras bought are used for vlogging/YouTubing? I suspect (but stand to be corrected!) that the number is very low. Less than 5%? Probably lower than that. Yes, all the kidz and yoof say they want to become famous MeTubers, but how many actually even have a channel. It's hilarious how many comments there are on any YouTube post that read, "this iz what I needz imma gonna be starting my own chanel soon". Yes, of course you are dear and I am sure it will be successful because it's just free millionaire lifestyle money for doing next to nothing. But YouTube/vlogging scepticism aside, this really is a massive turd for such a little camera. It's just more than a bit weird as a business decision. BUT WHAT DO WE KNOW. Maybe it will sell big time to the great unwashed out there, but I suspect with most buying on-line these days and reading reviews, it won't.

Sony must be pissing themselves with laughter. There are plenty of already more than good enough cameras suitable for the tiny number of vloggers in existence so why all this focus on this minuscule market? Make shit products 99% of people don’t want or need and no one is going to buy your stuff.

Shame. I've always liked Olympus but only ever had/used EM5ii. Considered EM1iii's before the spec was announced. If they'd had 60p 4k, I might have gone that way, but the rumours of them not being around much longer also put me off. Glad I stuck with Fuji, but sad about the demise of Olympus.

That’s my other option. Just waiting to pull the trigger based on one months notice to what should now be the first job of the year. Currently, that is 29th July, but will cancel if quarantine not lifted by the end of June. Then next one should be 30th Aug, but they are getting twitchy... Basically I’m not spending until I have to and that may not even be until Spring 2021...

I’m happy to see, or would like to see cameras with different intentions. Using Fuji as an example: XH2 video XT4 hybrid X Pro3 stills In regard to the Pro3, I’d have been totally fine if they had removed any/all video capability. XH2 maybe retain some stills capability but clear video bias. Ergonomics can play a part in how we can use these things. I’m really not a fan of a move to everything that can do anything...but then if it can, why not?!

I wish we had this offer in Europe. Did the maths and by the time I’ve paid import duty, it’s cheaper to buy here. I need one as I stupidly sold mine last year intending to do something different which didn’t work out...

Maybe they are going to fix everything about the 'almost' camera, the *cough* fp? 😘 I love it's concept, it's modularity, it's size, it's image quality and...the rest falls short. I like Sigma. I like their lenses. I like their ideas and the modular camera has to be the future, but please please please Sigma get it right/better next time because there always seems to be a big BUT...

No idea really... I wouldn't say I was a sheep as such, but I don't think I have ever had an original thought myself. If anything, I take bits and pieces of things that I like from all kinds of places and merge them (try to) into my own thing. But that's my own stuff. For anything bigger, as most things are, I really don't know. What I do know is that the older I get, the less I like 'Hollywood' or 4k, 6k, 8k, 3D, etc (watched the movie 'Extraction' the other day and the body count was just ludicrous) and the more I appreciate good scripts, good acting and especially good cinematography. Also, slower paced stuff. I thought the Amazon Prime series 'Tales From The Loop' was excellent as just one recent example. I know MeTube is a massive sea of dross, but there and on Vimeo, are some very finely crafted productions on tiny tiny budgets that just showcase that for something to be good, it does not have to have 17 minutes of rolling credits at the end. I hope we see more smaller scale, lower budget, movies and think we probably will.

Someone needs to remake Charlie’s Angels again. Or maybe not, but that seems to make up so much of ‘cinema’ these days, endless remakes of; Godzilla, King Kong, The Mummy, Charlie’s... Apart from a few recent gems (1917 Springs to mind) ‘TV’ seems to be more creative these days such as certain Netflix series and Amazon Prime one’s. Of course there is some utter dross there also. I don’t think it’s a case of ‘everything has been done’ as it can’t have been, but more a case of so much has been done and there is less to explore.

The other thing about the written word is you can’t tell which way round I am wearing my baseball cap or if I am even wearing underpants. I think there’s a place for both but too many people on MeTube spend far too much time talking about their lives when the reality is, we don’t know you and don’t give a shit. But what do I know being of 1970 vintage and moving into the miserable old git category...

Love the size of the X1D though!

Bang for your buck, at least until the Canon R5 comes out, I can’t see past the XT4. Or for my needs, XT3 actually which is now stupidly priced for the spec and not just on paper spec, but real world ability. I’m just waiting for my industry (weddings) to restart and will be picking up another pair for hybrid use. If it’s 2021...which it may well be, then probably XT4, but then the XH2 should be making an appearance. But for; ‘content creators’, wedding videographers, hybrid shooters and ‘serious prosumers’ (for want of a better) term, XT3/4/Z6/EOSR/S1/GH5/A7iii, what more do we really need?

If the AF is good, I’m in. Tamron 35-150 f2.8-4 on XT3? Yes please.

Well yes, with that caveat I’d agree but in my head was thinking APSC sensor 2x crop ie, quarter the resolution compared with any half-decent lens at twice the focal length such as Sigma 18-35 at 35 compared with 18. I can’t see a 1/4 resolution in camera crop getting even close!

I think an optical zoom lens is always going to beat an in camera digital crop.

For vloggers maybe... Personally, I prefer the '24-70' equivalent!

Yes...slightly... Just to confirm, the XT4 has the ability to 'punch in' ie, 'zoom in' whilst recording to check focus but does not actually have the ability to record a tighter crop? I believe certain FF cameras such as Nikon can by selecting DX crop for video recording and with the Panasonic S1 you can select an APSC equivalent crop. But Fuji APSC body cameras not? At least my XT3 does not have this facility but applies a default 1.18 crop when shooting 4k 60p and the XT4 has the same or 1.29 if DIS engaged (or crop can be set manually at all times). Why would anyone do the latter some might ask? Well actually I prefer a tighter crop and like to shoot FF equiv around 35-85mm which is why I use the lens options I have, ie, the Sigma 18-35 and Tamron 45mm.

PS: the 1.18 crop mode I mentioned is when/if shooting 4K 50 or 60p. I use a lot of slow mo such shoot that by default so always considering the crop/look. Yes, had the 16-55. Sold it. Love/hate relationship with that lens...

OK, punch in possibly means different things to different people... I thought the OP meant 'crop in' as push a button and record a tighter frame which is something say a FF Nikon can do by selecting DX. The Fuji has a mild 'crop in' function for stills with it's Sports Finder mode which acts like an optical viewfinder with a 16mp crop centre but otherwise yes, you can 'punch in' for checking focus purposes. The 1.18 crop is if you use 4k recording ie, slightly tighter crop with video at any given focal length compared with shooting stills. I shoot 4k partly so I can crop in post, but rarely do other than straightening horizons, warp stabiliser etc and because IMO it's a better starting point even though my output is almost always 1080. Andrew is your man re. the S1.

@James_From_Raglan Well I do weddings rather than 'documentary' work though I work in a 'documentary' style as a hybrid wedding/photographer, ie, direct very little other than a handful of posed couple shots and some family stuff. I use the Sigma 18-35 as my indoor lens actually but use the Tamron 45mm f1.8 for everything else and my feet as my zoom. You can't punch in with Fuji though other than the 1.5x 'crop' equivalence plus the 1.18 4k crop and with the XT4 (but not 3) you can manually set a 1.29 crop at all times to equate to the digital stabilisation. I've toyed with both of your other options but in the end dismissed both for a variety of reasons though they would be my alternatives if I had to switch. That Tamron though works more like an 80mm FOV (45 x 1.5 x 1.18) on my XT3 and has OIS, but I still prefer the rock solid monopod approach, partly so I can shoot stills and video at the same time. Needs the Fringer though which adds to the size/weight, but I don't mind that and there are some native mount but 3rd party options such as Viltrox and later this year, Tokina. Fuji just suits me as a system and the only real issue I have with it is I am not a fan of any of the lenses for video, especially the faster f1.4's and 1.2 I mostly love what I can get straight out of camera with minimal to zero grading. I just like it.

XT4, Fringer adapter and Sigma 18-35mm f1.8 (which if you set the 1.29 crop is the FF equiv in 4k of a 35-68mm lens). Seems to be a couple of issues with the IBIS currently, but pretty confident that will be resolved in firmware pretty soon. These Fujis like most cameras tend to have a few niggles when they first come out, but unlike many other companies, Fuji usually fix things fairly quickly and even take their products to another level. I'd be tempted to add the battery grip to the above to make it more ergonomically friendly, especially for longer use, but you could get away with a basic hand grip. I don't have one by the way as I prefer to use my XT3 with monopod, but that is just personal choice more than anything. You have said you like the idea of a bigger body etc, so I think the battery gripped XT4 is possibly your best option right now and would be my pick without question.

The real question though is which one is going to be best for vlogging... I don’t think I have ever owned a Canon camera but the 6 might be of interest in 2021 (as an alternative to a Fuji) but there are so many factors between now and then. The actual spec being just one thing.

@MeanRevert guests might be able to get away with that, but I don't think I would! Or maybe I could, but for me I think using a phone at a wedding (other than as a controller for my drone) is a step too far, - I still have a pretence of being professional to uphold