MrSMW

Another ‘it depends’ as there is no definitive answer to this question. I am also in the boat of only 1 paying job this year out of what should have been 25. The consequence of that is from Oct ‘19 until July ‘20, I had no need for any kit at all. From Aug ‘20 now until April ‘21, I have no need again. I would have been better off renting this year for 1 single day’s shooting but of course I had no idea of that at the time. Right now and until next Spring, no priority other than surviving. Ideally, I’d like to trade up my XT3’s to something like the Sony A73s plus lenses, but even in ‘21 don’t need to and will probably just sit tight for and during next year just in case... But otherwise it’s just a total package isn’t it? Crap glass on a great body is still crap glass and great glass on a crap spec body is no better. My answer therefore is the best of everything that you can afford and justify based on your needs and the time.

Hybrid wedding capture. I will manual focus certain static parts of the day but anything that involves subject movement and flitting between stills & video, good AF is a must.

Yep, if it has 4K 60p 10 bit internal, PDAF and not crippled elsewhere, this particular Panasonic Pony of Hope could be interesting. No PDAF though and see ya.

This. All companies. Always.

Wow. Looking increasingly like this was not only intentional, but also that they will flick a magic switch and "ta da!", all will be well. A handful of people will still not buy, but the much much much greater majority will and this particular storm in a teacup will soon fade away. I am sitting firmly on the fence. The question I always ask myself in this kind of scenario is who would my course of action hurt the most? If a product was the best solution for me, but they were sneaky bastards with dubious business practices, but hadn't actually killed any children, then I might overlook their poor practice. However, that would make me one of those, "ah, but if every individual had that attitude, then there would be no collective..." selfish types, but you know what, the world doesn't owe me a living and I don't own it anything much, but ultimately in this case, it's just a camera. I support 100% though the people such as Andrew who want to run with this kind of thing, in principle, if not always with my wallet. I have already ruled it out regardless as it doesn't have 'enough' to warrant the investment from me. It just seems stupid to me that anyone would behave this way in the first place. I can't stand bullshit...but often have to live with it because it's easier to do so.

For me, it's not Canon per se, but all of the manufacturers because it seems not one of them can manage to produce a hybrid without at least one serious flaw. Re. Canon in general, I suppose it's because more people have had or have Canon than any other brand and if you want a pure stills camera, they have always made some of the best and if you want a cine camera, ditto. They just refuse (it seems) to want to fuse the two which is one of the biggest demands in this day & age. Personally, I am brand agnostic and though I do favour Fuji, I probably would have bought a pair of R6's had they not been crippled (for my needs) and seriously considering the new Sony for 2021. I'd have jumped into bed with the Panasonic S1 this year if the AF had been up to snuff and the Z6 last year if it had had 4k 60p internal. If they can fix some of the issues with a flick of a switch, then in an ideal world, folks will vote with their wallets, ie, not purchase on principal. But back in the real world, if a 'thing' can be made to work, a lot of the folks who were adamant they would not purchase, will find a reason to do so. And there are the serial camera collectors who will buy it just because it says 8k on the tin. They will never use the 8k and never actually use the camera for anything other than some snaps of; their kids, their cat, their garden and maybe a brick wall. A very long lens will be attached and it will hang around their necks as a badge of honour. If they are at a wedding and you are there to officially capture it, they will wish to let you know early on in regard to the camera jewellery they are transporting around. And if it's got the potential for 8k, they will feel especially smug. Those people will buy the camera in droves. But I digress... All the talk of how to fix the thing outside of Canon recalling and doing it themselves is madness. If they don't wish to do that, then fair enough and they will lose a lot of the pro market, maybe just for a time, maybe for ever and that may or may not hurt them, - it depends how much of their market is pro. I have no idea what it is but suspect it's not enough to break them. In principle, I'd like to see it working though just because any product brought to market should work and for the overall good of our industry, but maybe there is a positive from all this... Maybe...and I hope it's the case, those companies working on new products such as Nikon, Fuji and maybe Panasonic, who will all be aware of what has been unfolding with Canon over the last few weeks, will ensure that their own products are not open to such criticism and actually end up being better than they otherwise might have been (without the Canon debacle)?

A calculator app will be available soon in order to work out the infinite number of possible scenarios in which you can’t use the camera.

Same here with a Fuji 56mm f1.2 It was in mint condition. Purchaser came back about a week after receiving it and said they thought it had been dropped and was damaged/not working properly. Complete BS. Ebay made me take it back. Kept it for a while and then sold it on to a UK dealer who confirmed 'mint'. With ebay, you have to stick to not selling it outside of them or take the risks.

@zerocool22 I get where you are coming from but at the same time this place is not some scripted production where there is an announcement, everybody gets to make one comment and then it’s topic closed. It’s a forum where people talk. Talk a load of shit half the time, good and bad, but that’s the nature of this beast. Also, it is an evolving story and the info comes in bit by bit. Many of us have too much time right now so there’s even more chatter. To conclude, political talk etc can be (rightly in my opinion) banned, but where do you draw the line on talking about the current err...appropriately titled, ‘hot topic’ of latest camera news in the camera area of a forum?!

Good call as I don’t need AF!

Obviously the world wasn’t ready... It is now! I can’t believe I never heard of this before... Even more so, I can’t believe it obviously failed at some point and did not transform the industry ☹️

My principal lens choice is the Sigma with the other two being options. The Viltrox an extreme one and very rare use, but if stuck at the back at that church... The video choices are one’s I have and use by the way, the stills hypothetical as I do use native for that currently. Video choice was partly due to shallow DOF and low light capability and with the Fringer/Sigma duo, because the AF is better than anything native at f1.8 I don’t zoom lenses and shoot manual exposure 100% of the time so never actually seen this Fuji exposure change thing myself!

I agree Steve but my point was it WAS aimed at us...and does not appear fit for that purpose at this time.

Yep, bigger body XH2 with cooling system like the S1H and even some Sigma FP modularity but no 8k chasing. Plus the lenses, (none of which I use for video work) either some updating or video friendly new ones. OK, there are the MK twins but they are cine specialist and tripod only jobs with the Fuji X system rather than hybrid. The 16-55 is supposed to be the best but I have never used it for video as I use it in my stills camera at the same time. Must give it a go...

Indeed. It’s like the entire industry has been in stagnation for years stuck around certain body types when modular just makes sense. I suspect because the FP has not been a massive success, the rest have either breathed a sigh of relief or said, “told you it would never work”, but I rather hope the rest did take note and are working on it. I’d like to see the 4/6/8k and megapixel arms race exchanged for a ‘who can build the most modular’ with a core real world spec. Plug in cooling, plug in SSD of your size choice, plug in battery of your size choice, grip size and type of your choice, plug in screen type of your choice, plug in cooling... The FP is just a first attempt and if Sigma are not working night and day on a second model, well both their and our loss. They nearly had my money, but too many compromises. Panasonic, Nikon and Canon nearly did. Sony still might, or any of the previous or maybe Fuji will pull a blinder with the XH2. But FFS will someone just do it ASAP.

I disagree. It depends on how you define 'professional works'. Making a feature film with it? Then probably not. As a C cam or similar on a Netflix series or Hollywood blockbuster, then why not, but as the principal filmmaking tool, of course not. But is a wedding videographer not producing professional work? Or a travel documentarian? Or journalist? Or sports/fashion hybrid shooter? All of the above are EXACTLY who this camera was targeted at and the R6 that sits below it. Otherwise what was it for, occasional snaps of cats and kids (yours own and not strangers) at the park?

OK, no worries. I think the 'answer' is if Fuji produce an XH2, I will almost certainly buy one and test it unless it's already some glaring fail. If it suits my needs, then a second. If not, then I carry on with the monopod and accept it's compromise. I suspect though that with everything switched on the XT4, that level of stabilisation would suit my needs. Providing I haven't just run up a hill. I find that channel both quite funny and also quite irritating. No one should take it seriously unless their needs are identical to his, ie, walking along the streets talking to camera. I don't even like pans... 🤪

Ah, OK, probably would not affect me then. When I shoot video, it's in a second body alongside shooting stills and I only shoot clips typically from 5-15 seconds. Very rarely, it might be 30-90 seconds, but we are talking maybe 2-3 times a day. Last wedding I shot just over 300 clips over 15 hours so say average 10 seconds each, 1 second average every 3 minutes of the day! Obviously there were periods of the day such as when they were eating or I was travelling to or from the church, but even if I was 'working' 10 of those hours, that still only makes 1 second of recorded footage for every 2 minutes. I reckon even a Canon R5 could handle that. Or not... 😆 @rawshooter so if you have every bit of stabilisation switched on and you are pretending to be like a human tripod (but not leaning on anything) how tripodic (new word) is the footage, especially at focal lengths of +50mm FF equiv? I haven't owned any recent Olympus or Panny cameras that had IBIS so no experience. In fact, other than my camcorder and phone, no IBIS experience at all... I know the supposed 6 stops OIS on the f4 16-80 is not good enough for me though. I am thinking however, it's pretty close to being 'tripodic', I could add some warp stabiliser in post if needs be...but being freehand in principle would be a massive bonus.

Is the XT4 more prone to overheating than the XT3 then? Anyone actually have any experience of this themselves? I use my XT3's hard, all day long, stills and video in typically mid 30's (Celcius!) and direct sunlight and have never had an overheating issue that I am certain of. Last week, my filming/video designated unit would not switch on prior to speeches at a wedding and though it had not been used for a while, had been sitting in a hot glasshouse for some time. Took the battery out and inserted a fresh one (the 'old' one still had a full charge as it was being topped up from a power bank) and it switched on and worked fine. So I 'assume', but don't know for sure whether it was a case of overheating or some other glitch... I have heard/read of overheating with the XT4 but like any chatter, is it just that, re-reported chatter or actual experience with described conditions? Ultimately it is a small unit. As soon as you switch on anything electrical, it starts to heat up and maybe the IBIS that the XT4 has and the XT3 doesn't adds (significantly?) to the heat build up? Right now, I'm skipping the XT4. My musings are more based on carrying on with what I have for the remainder of whatever the rest of 2020 turns out to be and then into the Spring of 2021, when the one true king, the veritable next holy grail of cameras, praise him (or her), the glory that will be the XH2, plops into existence. Hopefully. With a tilt screen and not articulated. And hopefully some cooling like the S1H. But not 8k because who needs 8k? Or maybe I'll go Sony... Or Nikon...

If it's of any interest, with a Fuji IBIS body (so current XT4 + battery grip or potential XH2 with hopefully integral battery grip) and focal lengths adjusted for FF equivalency using the APSC 1.5x crop + 1.29x 4k crop (video) or the 1.07 crop (stills) , my ideal dual body and lens line up would be as follows: Sigma 18-35mm f1.8 + Tamron 45mm f1.8 + Viltrox 85mm f1.8 (3 lens options) Fringer video equivalent = 35-68mm + 87mm + 165mm all f1.8 Ideally, I'd rather shoot all of the above 3 options handheld with rock steady 'near tripod' like results, though the 85mm lens might be asking a bit much? And below, the photo only options where the stabilisation is a bonus rather than a need. Tamron 15-30mm f2.8 OIS + Tamron 35-150mm f2.8-4 OIS (2 lens options) Metabones photo equivalent = 16-32mm f2 + 37-160mm f2-2.8

Just been playing around with a few options with my XT3 and have a question for actual XT4 owner/users and that is specifically, how good is the 'tripod' IBIS mode? My most stabilised lens currently is the f4 16-80mm. It doesn't really float my boat for video work, especially in low light and especially against Fringer and Metabones options that allow f1.8/f2. But the latter aside, I like a 100% or close to steady shot for all my work. I don't pan or anything like that and certainly never walk. However, using a monopod on a typical 12-15 hour wedding day is a bind in 2 ways. 1: Along with additional power bank, it's around 3kg extra to lug about all day. 2: It's at least 3x faster than using a tripod, but still nowhere near as fast as a harness attached unit you can swing into action within a split second and make any/all adjustments with your body. So I am kind of musing just how good (or not) an XT4 is with everything switched on and using say the 16-55mm f2.8, ie, something moderately chunky and weighty? If anyone has any footage they'd care to share, even better! I tend to shoot around 30-80mm full-frame equivalent for all my video work and towards the longer end really and there are a number of lens options, but I am very interested to know how close to static footage can be achieved with say 5-10 second clips handheld.

I might be interested in the XC20 to replace my Sony AX100 camcorder. Tempted by the 10 or 15 over the last few years but neither really had enough to warrant the expense and there hasn’t been anything else on the market either with ‘enough’. I only use it for one purpose and that is static full ceremony and speeches at weddings, but would welcome something sub 1500)/£/euros that did better low light. Also for purely personal reasons, I’d rather being using something that looks a bit more pro than a camcorder. Just because. So will be interested to see what any XC20 might be.

I’m thinking about getting an R5 and offering a new wedding video service where I start with bride prep. Then I go home and have a proper BBQ.

Maybe the R5 needs firing out of a Cannon? Boom boom.