MrSMW

OK, the new Canon looks good, despite the spec not yet fully known and I suspect the Nikon ZR will also be competitive so Lumix, over to you, - how is that S1H coming along because the time to pop it out would be immediately after the other kids do otherwise you risk all the newly found brand hoppers, hopping in their direction?

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Absolutely. I could not work without a camera with great stability and I mean great, not merely OK. If it can be achieved digitally, I’m OK with that but yes, Lumix is the best I have seen and experienced. I have my S9 set up to be ‘gimbal like’ with both mechanical and digital IBIS, but it’s not reliable enough for consistency and next year I am going to pick up (for the 4th time 🙄) a gimbal, except this time it won’t have a camera that needs balancing, ie Pocket 3.

53 minutes recording 6k 30p continuously 31 degrees Celsius in the shade before the heat warning came on but it kept rolling and the speech ended before I got to experience a shutdown. Not too shabby!

Lumix S1RII and it’s identical twin, S1II glare sullenly in your direction. IMO, if it’s ‘cinema’ camera, it either can’t shoot stills at all, or it’s at least a bit crap in that department whereas if it’s ‘hybrid’, it should be able to do both equally as well. Perhaps not video as well as a dedicated cinema camera and perhaps not stills as well as a dedicated camera, but at least both comparable to each other. By its C designation, I would not expect this new Canon to be that great for stills so most likely, will be that smaller more dedicated cinema camera. But where will the hammer strike? I came close to building a hybrid system around R3’s which despite their size are surprisingly light and I think are a really great balance for stills and video. The only thing that put me off was the price and last year these were still commanding 5-6k on the used market but can now be had for around 3k so if I was looking today, they would be very strong contenders. Good stills, great video spec.

Or maybe they are a progressive thinking company for whom the glass is half full and their thinking is; we are a major player in the action cam market, we are a major player in the niche high end camera market, we are THE player in the drone market, we have a pretty unique piece of filmmaking kit in the cinema market, is there are reason we cannot bring some of our momentum and perhaps innovation and enter the MILC market? It’s not a question therefore if they can, but if they should and that is up to them to determine but brands come and go and if anyone can make a strong case for entering into this specific part of the market, it’s probably DJI. But we’ll see… They either will or they won’t but if they do, my money is it will be with L Mount.

Anyone seen my tin foil hat? I’m sure I left it around here somewhere…

Watched and thought it was great but did spend a great deal of the time seeing BTS such as; someone is holding that door open, someone is cranking up the VND, the camera was just handed off out of the window to someone else, he's not really driving that van, it's being hooked up to the drone right...about...now. I've watched and read a couple of BTS pieces on it and somewhat surprisingly, they used just the second take on Episode 01 but all the rest were...if I remember correctly, between 11-16 takes. Any small mistakes they tended to let slide if they could get away with it, but obviously stuff happened and they had to restart at least 10 times on every episode after the first one. Very well acted, especially the kids. The single room psychologist scene, they both cocked up their lines a few times and ad libbed but this happens I believe in movies so... Really well done and as someone who took part in a movie that was filmed at my school as a kid https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0090310/ must have been a lot of fun for those that took part!

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Exactly. We live in a world where component and platform sharing becomes increasingly the norm. IMO, if DJI were to release a FF mirrorless and try making that fly (not literally, - they have other products that do that) with their own tiny range of lenses, good luck with that, but it would be a recipe for disaster. E Mount is dead so yes, using older lenses etc is all well and good, but Canon are all in now on RF. And to truly compete against the likes of Canon/Nikon/Sony/Lumix, it almost certainly needs to be a hybrid rather than a pure cinema camera. DJI already have strong links with Lumix, - the S1RII and Ronin 4D share a sensor (not officially stated but the general consensus is it is) and are already in the L Mount system, so a bit of a no-brainer. But then maybe the the whole DJI mirrorless camera is just a fantasy...

Not necessarily... Hasselblad might be owned by DJI, have their lenses built in Japan and source their sensors from Sony, but are still a Swedish company designing and building their own cameras (and I believe in designing their own lenses) and based on their most recent release, seem to happy to be chasing a purely stills orientated market. I can't see them producing a FF or smaller sensor camera as it wouldn't make sense but instead leave that to parent company DJI... ...who from an aerial perspective, makes sense to use their own mount or fixed lenses. But any new FF camera, who would their customers be? Well there is no existing DJI camera (outside of the Ronin 4D and that is a different thing) so they would wish to nab customers from all of the existing brands, so; Canon, Nikon, Sony, Lumix, Fujifilm etc Realistically, in order to do that, they would need to be both innovative and mainstream, ie, have 'something' that the others do not but at the same time, be able to do what say your typical 'mid' mirrorless can do, ie, photo and video. A handful of lenses wouldn't cut it so they would need to launch with a lot more than what is on offer or they'd be dead in the water. People don't buy bodies, - they buy systems. Well business users do anyway, maybe not the average Jo Public. As an existing L Mount user for all my ground based photo and video needs and DJI for aerial, having something that fits in with that has a lot of appeal such as my S9 is currently the most 'at risk' bit of kit in my lineup and it's currently part back up, occasional semi-static, sometimes gimbal-like use and I'm toying with getting another gimbal and making more use of it than I do, but this is where DJI might fit in with their history as also a maker of gimbals...and if the lens mount ties in with what I already use, it makes sense. I guess we'll find out in a few weeks, but if DJI do enter the camera arena, I hope it's FF and it's L Mount and to me, it makes perfect sense that these are the most likely options. But then what do I know?!

Cost and range. L Mount now has a huge number of available lenses whereas DJI have very few. Take something like the Lumix 35mm f1.8 at around 500 US/UK/EU currency whereas the DJI lens is f2.8 and 3x the price. OK, it's smaller and lighter, but video orientated also. But no reason why they could not develop their own line but they would probably be limiting their market by not using a more openly available mount? Folks moan all the time about how few options outside RF there are for Canon. Same thing, but with a less well known brand.

Yes please, but history says that most attempts in this industry just flop and the big boys just plod on with their glacial development… I was thinking yesterday how the S1RII could have been better for my needs and the only thing I came up with was a body design a la FX3 with a flat top so there could be twin hotshoe mounts, or rather one hotshoe for mic and one cold shoe for a small light, ie, no need to have to make a choice or add a cage. Internal VND (without sacrificing IBIS) would also be the obvious one, but beyond that, there isn’t anything else for me that I can think of. I suspect both the new Canon and Nikon will be good, but not groundbreaking in anyway, but FX3 style versions of the R6III and the Z6III respectively. DJI has access to Hasselblad colour science, at least as a marketing thing and lidar AF and doesn’t come from the conservative mold of the more traditional Japanese brands, so could be interesting. Lumix’s next FF cam is surely the S1H and can’t see it being that tiny thing in that pic which if Lumix, is more likely a tiny 4/3 cinema camera based on size and the ‘fact’ that they are unlikely to plop out an APSC camera at this time? Or it’s some other brand such as Black Magic because they have M4/3 roots and now use L Mount so a return to a modern version of their OG pocket camera?

Mini for sure. I don’t think the Phantom 4 Pro would fit it Matt Grangers pockets, never mind mine.

Dammit, my money was on Matt and his over-sized pocket cargo pants going their separate ways.

There is talk of Viltrox even making their own camera so possibly that? If that's a PL-L mount, that is interesting...

How super-cute.

I am 99.9% sure that pic from that video is none of the above named cameras. Absolutely no way any 'cinema' camera is that small. It looks like a medium sized phone that ate a medium sized pie at best. Not unless someone has found a way to defy physics, time and space...

In fact it's so small, if it is a Canon, where would they hide The Cripple Hammer?

Whatever that is, it's been fed on a diet of lettuce and nothing but lettuce. How is that even a camera? It looks smaller than a Fuji X-M5...

Maybe... It is for me as in my interest these days does still exist, but less than previously because all the things I have, I have because they do what I need them to do, when perhaps once, the things I had did not quite. The only thing I'm interested in currently is a new drone because my Mavic Air 2s is getting a bit old and flies a bit wonky due to err...a couple of collisions 🥴 But then I'm not really into tech beyond what I need something to do and never feel any need to have the latest phone (13 I think but not sure or really care) or MacBook (M2) or anything else. And I drive a 14 year old 150,000+ miler Skoda. I'd rather go back to a pre-2000 tech era actually where the skills were more important whereas today, there is a ton more smoke and mirrors fuckwittery to compete with...

I’m betting not and despite the community crying out for it, won’t be happening any time soon, but it would be great if it did, or when it does! I’ve been doing some trials with a 2-5 stop VND on my S1Rii’s which are brilliant for hybrid shooters having 5 custom settings each for both stills and video, ie, flick one switch for stills or video and rotate one dial through 5 different custom options, and that is great and the VND starting at 2 stops makes zero real world difference when shooting stills. But how great would it be if there was some kind of auto VND internally and you could skip that whole thing? Someone has to do internal VND soon surely on full frame MILC? Maybe it will be Canon or Nikon…

It didn't and I have nothing against Canon, but it's a brand I have never owned. 5 years of college and uni was all Nikon film cameras. When I worked in commercial photography for a while, Nikon film. Started my wedding career, Nikon film. Approx 5 years of Nikon digital and then 9 years of Fuji mirrorless and then was split the last couple of years between Sony & Nikon for stills and Lumix for video. The only 'problem' I have with Canon now would be cost. Sold off all my Sony & Nikon recently and went all in on Lumix and the cost to trade was somewhere around zero because I reduced the amount of bodies and lenses. If I had moved to an all Nikon set up, it would have cost me a few grand. Sony a little more. Canon a lot more, and at a rough calculation, about 15k to have the equivalent set up to what I have with Lumix and what would I gain exactly? Nada in my opinion. I guess it mostly comes down to needs, but also what level you are invested in any system and Lumix made, makes and will continue to make the most sense for my specific needs. BUT, I'm still interested in what else is out there, but more out of professional curiosity than anything. On another note, there is supposed to be news coming from the Dolomites later today regarding DJI's full frame camera and if that thing isn't just rumour, could be interesting and shake the market up a bit?

I've only had the camera for 2 years and did not know that 🤯 Settings now changed!

2 years ago, I had the S1H with the battery grip and the Leica 24-90mm f2.8/4 as my principal camera. That combo weighed almost 3k and not only was that a big lump to heft about in the hand on a 12+ hour day, it could not go on a camera strap as that would have been shoulder destruction and too heavy to hang off a Spider Holster all day as even with the tightest belt... Plus any momentum and that thing banging on your thigh left bruising! In the end, I used a sturdy Holdfast leather harness AND a Spider Holster to handle it when not in hand. Compare that with my S9 + Sigma 28-70mm f2.8 at not much over 1kg and less than 2kg including freestanding monopod and what a difference! My pair of S1RII's with lenses and mic etc weigh less TOGETHER than that lump above and are far more capable. In fact, both S1RII's and the S9 which now has the 50mm f1.8 on it, all 3 together weigh approx the same as 'The Lump'! It makes a HUGE difference when working and how you feel after. I do think there is very much a Goldilocks Factor when it comes to this kind of thing and some stuff is just too big and awkward and some stuff just too small and fiddly. I feel what I have right now is that middle option that works best.