Video Hummus

I'm sure they will all change their toon when Fuji releases their next MF camera and lenses and they need to "review" it. I'm sure Chris will say. something like: "...and you get that unique medium format look...". Don't watch the marketing monkeys.

I guess I’m just looking at it as a sum of its parts. As I see it OIS is already achieving its maximum benefits with very tiny incremental improvements (you can only move the glass around in the barrel of the lens so much). Same with IBIS. The sensor can only shift so much. Digital IS is all done in software. It can use feedback from gyro, accelerometers, OIS, and IBIS to achieve better results, limit the crop, limit the wobble, etc… I love IBIS. I’m not particularly bothered with it missing in the R5C because canon already has excellent lens OIS and I use native RF glass handheld. Digital IS helps a bit and is one button click away to disable. You can’t truly disable IBIS the way it is implemented in current cameras. There are no mechanical locks in place and a magnetic lock will still wobble with the kinds of magnets and power draw limits in cameras. So each their own.

Cheers.

I think the EIS is linked to AF or a combination of things because you can have a the camera on a tripod and get it to jump suddenly. I think it is a bug with the current implementation. Also, in one of the interviews Canon Rep mentioned the EIS is using gyro in the camera. I wonder if we will be seeing future firmware updates to improve its effectiveness?

But there is only OIS + digital stabilization so IT's clearly a piece of shit camera! I'm not a brand fanboy but sometimes people just like to hate. I loved my Panasonic MFT cameras, but they sat on their asses for too long so I moved on. Canon is clearly upping their game. It's a good thing. Maybe Sony will finally put shutter angle in their FX3 camera.

In the ProAV video the stationary handheld OIS + Digital IS versus IBIS and the results for the digital was just as good if not better without weird warping corners which you would have to crop to get rid of anyway. I'm not saying Digital IS is going to completely replace IBIS. They each have their trade offs and IMHO optical IS + Digital IS seems to offer less artifacts at wider focal lengths than IBIS can in video. Until we have IBIS mechanisms that can be completely lock down then there will be a market for both. IBIS is clearly beneficial but its not going to suddenly make your camera into a gimbal stabilized beast, not yet anyway.

Then use one of the 30 other bitrates the camera offers including some in 8K HEVC! Not that hard. Use the 8K RAW when it benefits you. Use the more compressed formates when storage space is a concern. It's not like this cameras has 3 bitrates options to choose from. Yes trade offs for each system. I think you underestimate the sophistication of gyro and image processing but with regards to practical applications you are going to be using a stabilizer of some kind anyway.

I think the micro-HDMI is the worst cripple in my opinion. I honestly think realtime gyro enhanced digital stabilization will be the future. You sacrifice a slight crop and 1-axis of correction (the axis that causes the wobble anyway) for more stable footage without the need for a fast shutter. Well do we know if that is straight out of camera or has it been seasoned to this guys particular tastes? What recording mode + profile did he use and compression ratio? Hard to be conclusive when we don't know what was done. And even so, if the 8K RAW LT holds up and retains the detail then there is a fix at cost of higher (but not deal breaking) storage requirements. Anglebird has +4TB CFX cards coming. I do think Canon has slipped a little bit with their color. Other brands have made huge leaps in consistency and quality.

And this is why I keep flipping back and forth on these two cameras. I like the size of the R5C but mostly I’m after the 4K downsampled image, unlimited everything, and occasional 8K RAW but the DR is no better than my R5. I would also miss IBIS for photos. The C70 has better DR and internal ND but is S35. I have no interest in EF + focal reducer. I would rather go pure RF. I’m leaning C70 since I already have R5. I’m sure we will see FF C camera in the under $6K price range in the future. Would love a FF C70 with internal ND. But is there enough room in the body for all of that?

I think the 645Mbps is the RAW LT rate for the C70 4K. Which they obviously set for a safe maximum of V90 cards which the C70 is limited too.

And 1GBps for 8K 12-bit footage is reasonable compromise compared to even ProRes HQ data rates at 10-bit. There are a shit ton of codec options for everybody. 95% solutions to high +2GBps RAW options. Sounds good to me.

The R6 downsamples from 5K too and there is a clear difference between the image in clog3 from R6 and from R5. R5 has better noise control with the 8K -> 4K oversample. I see no downsides to oversampling if it doesn't impact RS. Well get on the phone to Canon, Sony, Fujifilm and the rest and let them know. There are some clear benefits in signal processing that have nothing to do with how the human eye works. I am in agreement that we don't need to be racing to 24K because we can. Dynamic range is a far more important factor but has things stand DR is very slow to improve.

What is the benefit of these over WideDR Rec.709?

This is probably why they removed IBIS in the first place. People complain about IBIS wobble all the time. I believe its the same quality as R5, ie line skipped or pixel binned of some sort. It still looks really good.

Clearly this camera is not for large productions and large productions know exactly what they want. So I've they buy this cameras as an A cam they are idiots. That's what the C500 Mark II is for or any other suitable A-cam cinema camera. With regards to IBIS: assuming Canon solicited feedback it was clearly not a high priority feature request. GH5S didn't have IBIS either. You could make that argument about 4K 5 years ago. 8K is beneficial for many things: better downsampled footage, VR, effects. Gordon Lang has very shaky hands. I've seen it in other videos as well when he is just holding up something to camera.

Agreed. Perfect camera would be a solid 6K camera, AF, internal ND, better audio, 4-5 inch bright LCD, and decent codecs and good DR

No camera is perfect. I think this is certainly a better effort than what Sony did with the FX3. There is Cinema RAW in there at roughly 3:1, 6:1, and 10:1 compression. There is DPAF v2 with object, face, head, eye detection. Oversampled 4K from 8K up to 60p. 8K60p RAW is there but with need of external PD power via USB-C (not ideal but it is there). The R5C is an imperfect step forward but one in the right direction imho. It’s a proper cinema camera in a Large mirrorless form factor. The FX3 doesn’t even have shutter angle for fucks sake let alone false color. So here we are: the non-overheating R5 everybody wanted WITH full fledge EOS Cinema mode and people are still not happy. Perhaps it’s the S1H people wanted without the garbage AF?…With internal RAW to boot and even better exposure tools? No IBIS but I’ll take that over out of focus footage or being stuck to MF for everything. I’m excited. Let’s see what Sony does. Let’s see if Nikon can actually pull it off with Z6/7 mark 3. MF cinema from Fuji? PDAf from panasonic? Hell will freeze over but we can dream right?

I like the concept of the R5C. It’s the better FX3 from Canon. No IBIS is a slight bummer but RF lens IS + digital EIS will get the job done for static handheld. All the rest of the features are great to see. I wonder if the DR comparison with R5 is exactly the same.

This is why if something has a micro-hdmi port treat it like it doesn’t have hdmi out. That port is so flimsy and shitty and it is directly mounted to the main board on the R5.

Looking at it more I think you are right. It's not on the front of the camera and the lettering looks like "Time" so I'm sure you are right.

I agree. They probably don't need the capacity anymore because of pandemic and more importantly the chip shortage which, by guessing by their actions, they see continuing for awhile.

What in the actually fuck. That is the cripple hammer right here. Unless you can have a battery grip and then do it. More detailed pictures on Canon Rumors. What the hell is that port on the top right of the picture.? Could this be the external power plug for 8K60p?

R5C confirmed to have internal unlimited 8K/60P Recording Also: Full-featured 13 assignable buttons (hint at a more C70 style body) Simultaneous audio record enabled with HFR RAW LITE in several bitrate flavors https://www.canonrumors.com/here-are-some-canon-eos-r5-c-specifications/

I hope so. None that I know of that are for ILC cameras. A few for high-end video surveillance/industrial uses.

Lets give them the benefit of the doubt and see what they do. I think it will be hard going since MFT sensor development has slowed compared to FF and MF sensors. Having moved to FF, and looking at affordable S35 cinema cameras, I still would consider MFT if the entire package is there. A MFT cinema camera with internal ND and good dynamic range around 13 stops in a mirrorless style body smaller than C70...that is interesting. Olympus has great f/1.2 primes. They need to update their f/2 zooms and revamp them for video in useful focal ranges: 9-25, 12-40, 40-100 f/2. A 9-25 f/2 + 40-100 f/2 would be a sweet small package if the body has cinema features.