Video Hummus

Don’t worry, Canon will cripple the 8K camera and 2020 will make sense again.

So how did this thread get derailed into some stupid format war....again?

GH5 is a 3 year old camera, and a hybrid (not dedicated to video like the E and P4K), and still being used today successfully for lots of things. I just think people like to hate. The GH4R was used in Top Gear for years. They have used GH5S as well. Not one person cared. Zip. They probably didn’t even know it was shot with a GH5S. Crop factor wasn’t a problem for that production, mostly because it very often doesn’t. People say you can’t use MFT for stills. Yet, the 1DXIII and A9 have roughly 20MP sensors. I bet if you took a photo, printed it, and stood at normal viewing distance you couldn’t tell. Should you even care? It’s ART. And of course we’ve been taking 20MP stills with FF, APSC, and MFT for years. And finally, the people that think MFT is dead (it could be). Why do you take the 5-10 minutes to write some post about how it’s dead and how FF is king? I rarely see MFT users coming on a board and saying FF is dead because it doesn’t have a 300mm f4 lenses they is lightweight. They are always defending their choice of gear to make something with. Olmypus fell apart for many reasons. It’s a loss to the community as a whole. It’s one less choice in the market. It’s one less potential innovator in the market. That is the real loss. Olympus brought IBIS to mirrorless and guess what? Now everybody wants it on their cameras! Arguing wether the most successfully MFT camera Panasonic has ever released is trash is a waste of time.

I wonder what prompted that interesting choice of name? My hope is they shrink back to the Japanese market where they already do well. I think part of their profitability problem was too many management employees from the mirrorless boom time. So maybe slimming back will help cut losses, cost of global marketing, etc...but that means jobs lost. The biggest hurtle is JIP doesn’t have much cash for R&D and continued investment. It seems most likely they will slim down, contract to Japanese market and then try to sell. Hopefully someone competent buys it. They have all the ingredients to release a, yes, “vlogging camera”, that is small and light with serious photography chops behind it. Maybe Panasonic will feel more comfortable in MFT now? Who knows. MFT is likely to die like all formats probably will. That will be a loss of choice for the consumer. I hope GH6 comes, even if it’s the last serious MFT camera, because it will be used by myself for years to come until one day I flick the power switch and it doesn’t work.

Yes, with the rise of Peter McKinnon it’s been all about tribes of personality around brands. It’s been going on before that but with Peter I think the intensity increased. People buy it because their favorite YouTuber uses it regardless if it is the best buy for them. They feel affirmed they are part of some tribe and use the same camera as their “creative hero”. Now they will be just as creative... It’s the classic Marlboro man. You won’t get a fair and balanced review. You need someone like Gerald undone, who likes getting into the weeds, to be self-funded or funded by his viewers by a fund that is used solely to buy equipment for review. The viewers vote in a poll for which equipment they would like to be torn inside out. This eliminates the algorithm (what’s trending) from influencing what gets reviewed. The viewer funding and poll removes brand influence seeping into the review (reviewer doesn’t want to trash and not get more work; especially from bigger brands).

Yeah, hopefully this isn’t a EM1X moment.

Boy, all those great films shot on Super35 suddenly look like shit when FF DSLRs came out. That Zombie movie, 28 Days later, I liked it until I learned some of it was shot on a Canon DV1. WTF! They should have used an ARRI for that most iconic bridge shot. Ruined it for me. Most of the new blade runner 2049 was shot with a Zeiss T1 lenses but was stopped down to f2.8, 4, and 5.6. Deakins must be an idiot. This obsession, and yes it’s an obsession, with FF and max aperture shallow DoF lust is missing the forest for the trees. Very little of that shit matters in cinema. You can slap a Vintage FF lens on a GH5 and hand it to Deakins and he would shoot a Hollywood movie with it and the audience wouldn’t give a shit what it was shot on if the story, lighting, acting, and production are good. The camera is peanuts. Only people that care are the sensor gear obsessives and the industry snobs. I’m also still waiting for that FF 24-200 f4 that fits in a cargo pants pocket....who will make it first? And before you bandwagon the notion that I think MFT is somehow inherently better than some other format (like a lot of FF zealots do for whatever reason) I like MFT because it’s a CHOICE. I get a choice of format to shoot in with unique advantages. But instead we have this pervasive FF “green-blue algae bloom” sucking all the oxygen out of the discussion. I can also guarantee you when the first smartphone puts a MFT sized sensor on the back suddenly MFT will be the bees-knees again...funny how they works.

Still not compelling, in my opinion, until there is a ninja star type of device for this compressed RAW external recording. Just not worth the effort, for me that is, over a solid high bitrate 10-bit 422. I wonder if S1H will see BRAW support in the future? They share a sensor with the fp, no?

Maybe Elon Musk is an Olympus fanboy and can’t help himself... The more I read about JIP and the defunct companies it buys almost none of them survive and the ones that do get totally outsourced and lose their soul. Olympus Imaging’s carcass is about to be fed to the vultures. Damn shame. And with the bottom falling out of ILC market in general it’s probably very unlikely Panasonic or Sigma will pony up any money for Olympus patents and R&D.

I’m really surprised they don’t have this already. It would sell well. I could see it being used with EOS R owners, GH5/S owners, anybody that wants to eek out more bit-depth and chroma space if their camera supports it. Especially if it was small enough or shaped like a side grip for a cage.

I’m also a bit worried. They went to build a vlogging camera and almost missed every important mark to hit. You can forgive them for the AF as they are doing the best they can with their tech, but the record limit in 4K, the crop, and no IBIS? Very, very strange. A upgraded LX100 II would have made much more sense especially with the new sound tech, and flip screen, and it’s wonderful 24-75 f1.7-2.8 lens.

Olympus won’t be the last. The camera market is collapsing like a 5 day old party ballon. I just hope one of my favorite formats, MFT, can survive the storm.

Exactly. I think we should prepare ourselves for $4000-$6000 camera bodies going forward. The consumer camera market is shrinking fast to cellphones. Lower cost bodies and lenses don’t sell enough volume. Sad part is Olympus was innovating the stills side with very useful features like HHHR and IBIS. There might still be viable life for MFT in video with blackmagic and Panasonic. But I have a feeling blackmagic won’t produce another MFT camera. It will be super35 and up for them. Doesnt help that Sony innovation on 4/3 sensors stalled or was abandoned except for industrial surveillance.

Sad news. I guess the next Olympus camera will be a toy camera in McDonalds Happy meals. It does put a huge question mark over the entire MFT consortium now.

Honestly looks like a LUMIX Alpha (DfD edition!) but with competent IBIS. Not sure why you would buy this over ZV-1 if it doesn’t have 10-bit vlogl. EM5III seems like a better buy.

Yes the EM1.2 always had PDAF. The firmware enabled it for video mode. I’m convinced the only reason Panasonic doesn’t have PDAF is because they are a new player in the camera field and there was some kind of patent share/partnership or something pre-2001 with the Japanese camera companies. Sony received PDAF patents when they bought out Konica Minolta. Minolta had a patent battle with Honeywell in the late 70s over phase detect concept patent. Olympus has patents related to it as well, including “on sensor micro lenses”. Panasonic as recently as 2018 filed patents “for of multi-PD/pixel sensor for on-sensor HDR and PDAF (http://hi-lows-note.blog.so-net.ne.jp/2018-01-25). It appears the technique is similar to OSPDAF (on sensor Phase Detect AF) as Olympus and Sony, that has dedicated focusing pixels, but uses a different design as to minimize the disruption to the Bayer pattern (you know the reason Panasonic always gives for “degraded image quality” when asked about why they prefer DfD). It also has the pixel design for HDR photosites. Not sure how this is different to Sony’s. Canons Dual pixel On sensor enables PDaf photosites on all pixels so I guess that’s how they are different to Sony’s PDAF. So maybe Panasonic is up to something. I just know a GH, GX, and S camera lineup with some kind of reliable phase detect autofocus and Panasonic’s already awesome codec options, full vlog, and S1H color science would be fucking amazing. It would be like having a Sony A7 series camera with 10-bit. Which is another weird “seems to never happen” oddity in the camera world.

That looks fantastic. Was this straight out of camera?

I already think S1H has very nice color. I hope we get full vlog and tweaked color science in future cameras. Especially GH line so we can have a consistent look when using GH and S cameras together.

I hope Panasonic is self aware enough to know that if they did this the product would bomb hard. They gotta address the AF issue. AF is the most important spec of a “vlogging” camera. ZV-1 and EOS R and RP case in point.

It was tongue and cheek. In broad terms, up-and-coming filmmakers that don’t mind experimenting with using newer gear and aren’t locked into Canon C cameras or RED.

If anything they have been pushing video quite hard since XT-3. I really do think, since they added IBIS to the XT series, that the XH series will lean in to video. They’ve already said they want it to do something different, and the XT4 has obviously slotted into what the XH1 offered. A potential XH2 could have a bigger, chunkier body which adds to ergonomics for video. Add in IBIS, beefy codec, new ASPC sensor, mini XLR, maybe SDI, Fuji colors and Flog. Better AF. Maybe high resolution tilt screen instead of a flip screen. An external monitor is better for sit down head shots or YouTube anyway. You wouldn’t vlog with it. That’s what an XT4 is for now. Could be a real competitor to C100 or C200 for the hipsters 😏

So Apple has confirmed Apple Silicon based macs based on ARM are coming. I wonder what this means for Pro Apps and Resolve on the newer macs. Apple said Adobe’s complete apps, including Premiere and Lightroom, will be supported. They better include hardware acceleration for 10-bit 422 H264 and HEVC. The latest iPad Pro apparently can handle GH5 footage with ease. Exciting to finally see high performance ARM hardware with large thermal and power envelops to work in.

We don’t know anything about the camera except it’s name and launch announcement. Which is a two weeks before the R5 and A7SIII News bombs that will be coming early July. So maybe don’t expect much.

With only 20MP sensor the rolling shutter would be better if it’s a newer generation Canon sensor.

Hoping we will see something, anything, related to AF innovation with this new camera. I’ve said it before but a ToF device that picks up AF duties 3 meters in front of camera would be a great stop gap for improving their AF for vlogging and in front of camera talking head stuff.