Snowbro

I know a rich guy that has an old canon. He lights it off up the canyon once a year using a bowling ball

Well, the competition has been behind the 4k 60 in the 1DX ii for 3 years & counting ?

Canon was caught having unacceptable DR, then they fixed it in the 5d iv. Since they have publicly stated they are aware that they have to make their 4k better, I bet they will get it within 10% of the competition this year. They usually follow Nikon & vise versa. I guarantee if their spies hadn't told them nikon was releasing a mirrorless, they wouldnt have put out the eos r, which clearly wasnt ready yet.

No, it has too high of velocity relative to the rounds size. Unless you get fragmenting bullets, it's basically a over sized .22. Plus, the military & police use that ammo, so it becomes too hard to find and expensive. It's best to play army on call of duty & just buy a shotgun/pistol combo if you are a real American. Maybe a hunting rifle if you have freezer space to put a bunch of elk/deer/buffalo meat in. Bag one of those & you dont have to buy meat at the store for over a year, many times more.

That screen was at the base log ISO of 400. I tried over exposing to the point where my highlights clipped, there was still a ton of bg noise. I think I mentioned it, but I did manually grade and still had the same issue. I just never remember having this issue on the c200 I used. Obviously there is a massive price difference, I just don't think I can achieve the look I wanted (little drama) with this camera. I hate using neat video, it can take forever sometimes, so that's not an option for quick turnaround. Then the color banding, which is easy to see in motion and at full resolution in PP, makes this frustrating. Everytime I just talk myself into finding a purpose for this camera, ignoring the downfalls, it finds a new way to irritate me. I posted a detailed thing in one of the eos r threads of other issues; freezing, banding, soft 60p etc. I am just going to send this one back and pray that canon does it right on their pro body. I will just plan ahead better and rent for now when I need a second or third angle.

Interesting to see Canon got their 4k RS in the 1D bodies down to 14.7ms (24/60fps), from 25ms on the 1DC. That would be cool if they get to single digits in the next one that should release within a year. I think the 5D iv & Eos R have around 40? lol, I still think the worst one I have experienced was the a6500.

Ah, it all makes sense now. Once again the joke of a mod "Mako2011" removed my posts, because I said: "Canon knows about this issue, I reported it in October and there have been other threads on it" on a thread showcasing the issue (until it's deleted). Now I know why these threads keep getting deleted, they are paid to by the camera companies. "Bashing: Deliberately and repeatedly bashing the same brand, product orcompany. If you have a complaint or comment to make, make it once and make sure you have facts to support it." I made one post (quoted above) in weeks, which has to be approved by sir MakoShillPants. For starters, he doesn't seem to know that there is a space in front of company in his sentence ?. I did provide lots of evidence, there was also social evidence. Users on the new thread someone else created, said that canon has told them that this is the first time hearing about this issue. Are you kidding?! I know that I have seen at least 20 other people just on the forums say they called canon and reported it. They know about it and are lying to save face. You can't hold camera companies responsible to any degree on that joke of a forum dp. Sorry MakoShill, you will not be getting invited to Hawaii, regardless of what your little dreams consist of. Long live the land of the free, EOSHD ?

Well, I still haven't read any instructions. I used the CinemaGamut_CanonLog-to-BT709_65 and that seems to be close. I set my camera to ISO 400 and tried ISO 600 with a large key light and small background light. Normal exposure and slightly over exposed; both show pink and green in horizontal bars about 1/8th the screen size. This is on the background wall, it is also quite noisey, enough that I have to use some NR which is a pain. I tried the same settings on the 1DX with Cinestyle, Marvels etc. and there is virtually no noise. I used 12 bit CLOG2 from a C200 & didn't have this bad of noise, also no banding. The only thing I can do is turn on all the lights? Exposure was already close to clipping at ISO 600. Not sure why I can see the same colored banding I see on the EOS R when pushing shadows hard in a raw photo? I saw this when originally testing an Eos R in October, that was without Clog. WTF did they do to these sensors over the 5D IV? Like I have said before, the footage from this camera in 1080p at 24 or 30fps looks decent. I really don't want to buy c200 right now, or old c100 etc. I need a second angle and sick of borrowing/renting every other month. She wasn't happy to do this test late tonight ?.Screenshot is just 1080p ISO400 CLOG > 709 via CinemaGamut_CanonLog-to-BT709_65 (happens even with just basic s curve, no lut). No adjustments made, once I do, banding and noise obviously get a little worse. Purple/Pink, then Green above it to the left of monitor, then purple on bag below. (Hard to see how bad the noise is in the compressed jpg on a phone, but it is nasty in motion) Virtually nothing in the same spot at ISO 400 on the 1DX ii in Marvels WITH the exposure raised 1 stop (Img compression makes it look much worse than it is, can't see noise at all in premiere/original jpg)

I have always just manually graded, I got the official LUTS from Canon, but there are a million lol. What LUT works best for 8-bit CLOG (not 2 or 3) to rec709? I didn't have time to go through all of them, but most say 10 or 12, assuming that's 10 & 12 bit. I tried a WDR one and that was better. This is for the EOS R default Log footage.

It helps it not hunt and jump in & out of focus randomly sometimes. I found that to be preferable to manually focusing, which wasn't completely accurate with peaking anyhow.

I set the xt3 to have an AF & AWB lock on press. That made the camera fine for me

I saw a demo of it and when it lost the eyes, it jumped to the background

But they said its the best AF in the world!!! I look forward to the jumpy micro stuttering AF & sensor dust on the videos from this ?

Uses the old battery too, which doesn't even last 30min in 4k. Ironfilm beat me to it; they are going to start doing "Canon" moves now that they got some market share. They reused the 2015 sensor in the a7riii as well, it's happening.

Pixel 3 looks about as stable to me as pocket, since pocket is so small, people bounce that little camera up and down. They both undeniably produce a cell phone footage look vs even 1" sensors.

A cell phone ?

Really? I thought it was immediately clear the major difference between the other cameras

Thanks mom ?

Yes, it was never intended to be so random. It got off topic after page one and never recovered; I drop in from time to time, to gaze upon the chaos lol

Here ya go Webrunner!

Such a Frankenstein thread, how does someone kill a monster they accidently created?

Back to the original topic: Now there are more people crying about the camera (eos r) freezing on dpreview. When I mentioned it, that was such an impossibility, because I only had a few posts there ?

I just call it how it is, I have no obligation to sugar coat anything. Technically they could fix most of the issues with firmware, but they aren't known to be on top of that. I expect my cameras for $2k+, not to malfunction constantly, I think that's reasonable. The only reason I mention the problems, is to give others a realistic picture, so they dont waste their time & money. Also, hopefully by some miracle, canon hears and fixes it.

The R stands for Regret

I unfortunately tried my hand at another eos r, because I needed another angle for commercial stuff. If it's on a tripod and stays there as a b cam, sure I guess. If you try to use it for anything else, I think it's trash. It still does that freezing thing, where everything disappears off the screen (sometimes AF box stays), then it doesn't keep autofocusing. It will still record, but even if the af box is there, it won't do continuous AF. Does this in photo mode too. Also, if you walk around (think gimbal follow), the AF box is literally 1/4 the size of the 1DX ii, its much harder to keep focus on someone. You can "expand" the af area to get within 2/3 the size of the 1DX ii AF box, but it comes at a price. You lose the ability to adjust the AF settings, you cannot change sensitivity or the AF speed. The camera also hunts like hell vs the 1DX ii or 5D IV; the transitions between objects you move the camera through, also are not smooth. It lurches between stuff, where the 1D glides through it. In photos, if you shoot something backlit or just darker than perfect exposure, it will give you banding. The banding will also happen very early, it's not the unrealistic "5 stops" thing you see on the internet. I have seen it happen without touching the exposure, just adding +60 to shadows. If I just move the exposure slider, I have seen it as early as +0.5 stops. I did however find one workaround if you want to call it that. You can shoot dual pixel raw, which doubles the file size, but it no longer has color banding. It will still have some banding at the top end, but not colored. I have heard all the arguments for it, yes, I know it has clog. I can/do just underexpose a little on the 1DX, it has very good shadow recovery, I never have a problem really. The 24p 1080p doesn't look bad (eos r), if you do at least +3 sharpening in camera (using clog), but its 8 bit 4:2:0. The 1DX has low crop 4k 8 bit 4:2:2, which in my experience, has NO banding vs any other 8 bit i've used. The eos r has so much rolling shutter, it is a joke, you can't stabilize that later. The eos r when shooting in 1080p 60p, looks disgusting. I found something cool with the 1DX; if you shoot 4k 60, even if its insanely shaky, you can stabilize it perfectly. I shot stuff with the 85mm 1.2 handheld (even panning etc) & it looks unuseable, then I stabilized it and it looks perfect. Doesn't happen when using the 4k 24p, you can tell when it was stabilized on the 1DX. I personally think this camera is a disgrace, unless you use it for a locked down b cam. The camera is worth $1800 max (with adapter), it is $2400 with adapter, $600 overpriced imo.