Alpicat

Well well we all have to admit as of late the line between "Professional" and "Consumer" have really narrowed. When I was most of you guys age you either worked for a place that did video, or you bought a $200.00 at the time spring powered 8mm movie camera. If you were rich you had a Bolex, or my dream camera, a Beaulieu 4008 ZM Camera. They made beautiful looking cameras. Not too many choices compared to today.
Now with the 4K BMPCC coming out it can nearly compete with rich people on an equal footing. The GH5s is amazing, the Sony A7 mk III is, the ML Canon 5D mk III, Canon C100, on and on. We live in an amazing time for video. It is now down to skill more than gear. The tables have leveled. No real excuse these days to not get the job done.
 

@tupp very interesting videos, thanks for sharing! If it were simply possible to swap out the UHS-I SD card interface inside the EOS M for a UHS-II one, that would make higher resolution recording feasible. But I imagine the amount of coding required to make it work might make it very difficult. 
In any case I doubt you'd be able to sell and make any money from a hardware hack like this - unless you get permission from Canon!
I spoke to a Canon rep at the media production show in London recently where they were showing off their cinema EOS cameras, and he was aware of the EOS M 2.5k hack and seemed totally positive about it even saying he'd like to try it himself. I showed him the hack in operation. He also said he hoped that magic lantern would be available for the M50 one day! 

@Alpicat, yeah, it was a hardware hack, making it possible to record to a computer, such as a mac mini. If one looks for DVX100 Andromeda, it tells the whole story about a few happy campers having purchased the enhancement and filming with a 720p+ resolution 3CCD raw camera with global shutter, massive color, nice resolution image, in the beloved form factor of the legendary DVX100! It would be the perfect Digital Bolex substitute. Love this thread! Super fun read, with beautiful footage!

I think that they tapped into the signal coming out of the A-to-D converter.  Doing so is a little tricky as one must:
find the part of the circuit to tap; bring that raw digital signal up to line level/voltage for a recorder; work with extremely miniaturized components.  
Over the last year, I have considered trying such a hardware hack with my EOSM, but the skills required for steps #1 and #3 are beyond me.  Here are two videos showing the EOSM innards:
         
         
Don't know if it would be feasible to start a business making such hardware mods on EOSMs, as I can only guess at the demand/quantities involved.
 
However, such a hardware hack could work just as easily on the EOSM-5, EOSM-6 and EOSM-50 as it would on the original EOSM, which could transform these more recent models into raw, mirrorless monsters.

It would be amazing to get the dvx100 hack working. It looks like they were connecting a laptop to the camera and running it from there? I just wouldn't have a clue how to do it!
Here's 4k filming with the EOS M at 9fps (4096x2552), it's only possible to shoot 5 frames at a time though. At this resolution, the crop factor becomes 2x (micro four thirds). I don't think it'll ever be feasible to get this to work at 24fps. Even with the extended SD overclock hack writing at 80mb/s, it would only be possible to record a second or two, the data rate is just too high. Don't know if it would be possible to hack this camera with an external recorder and increase the write speed that way, but that's just too much work!
 

It would be amazing to get the dvx100 hack working. It looks like they were connecting a laptop to the camera and running it from there? I just wouldn't have a clue how to do it!
Here's 4k filming with the EOS M at 9fps (4096x2552), it's only possible to shoot 5 frames at a time though. At this resolution, the crop factor becomes 2x (micro four thirds). I don't think it'll ever be feasible to get this to work at 24fps. Even with the extended SD overclock hack writing at 80mb/s, it would only be possible to record a second or two, the data rate is just too high. Don't know if it would be possible to hack this camera with an external recorder and increase the write speed that way, but that's just too much work!
 

@Alpicat, three of them ccd sensors even, yeah! global shutter included! Unfortunately only a few enthusiasts on this forum are interested in my thread above , which I find astonishing. I love this eos m super 8 thread though! Still, a bit disappointed. Well, no biggie. cheers :)

Thanks! Hope I can do a tutorial someday. Right now the SD overclock hack is simple enough to use, at least compared to the next phase of development that is being carried out to increase the resolution beyond 2520x1080, which is an extremely complex process.
We're hoping it will be possible to overclock the SD card interface even further at some point. With the current overclock hack the write interface runs at 160 mhz (up from 100 mhz natively used by Canon). If the developers find a way of getting the frequency up to 208 mhz (the max UHS-I cards can achieve), then the camera's write speed could increase up to 80mb/s apparently (as opposed to 55mb/s with the current hack). That would make 2520x1320 recording feasible, possibly even 3k recording. 
In fact I just saw that a new build has been posted enabling 4k recording for the EOS M and 100D. Will test tomorrow but doubt it'll be possible to record longer than a few frames! 
Here's another really quick test recording 2520x1320 and 2336x1314:
 
@PannySVHS that looks very interesting and would be great if someone could look into reviving that hack. The colours look amazing, must be thanks to that CCD sensor! Unfortunately I have no coding knowledge so wouldn't know how to help. 
Magic Lantern development on the EOS M has progressed quickly since this thread started and now in crop mode it's become a 16mm camera (thanks to an increase in resolution capabilities) - so the title of this thread is slightly out of date. Maybe I should start a new thread! Of course it's still possible to shoot super 8 at 720p without using any of the experimental builds.

The 700D, 100D and EOS M are now able to shoot around 2520x1320 in crop mode (previously 1080 was the max vertical resolution). 3k is also possible although liveview doesn't really work at that resolution.
Record times are very short as it's only possible to shoot in 14 bit lossless for now. Here's my first successful test with the EOS M recording at 2520x1320 and 2336x1314:
 

Thanks! Hope I can do a tutorial someday. Right now the SD overclock hack is simple enough to use, at least compared to the next phase of development that is being carried out to increase the resolution beyond 2520x1080, which is an extremely complex process.
We're hoping it will be possible to overclock the SD card interface even further at some point. With the current overclock hack the write interface runs at 160 mhz (up from 100 mhz natively used by Canon). If the developers find a way of getting the frequency up to 208 mhz (the max UHS-I cards can achieve), then the camera's write speed could increase up to 80mb/s apparently (as opposed to 55mb/s with the current hack). That would make 2520x1320 recording feasible, possibly even 3k recording. 
In fact I just saw that a new build has been posted enabling 4k recording for the EOS M and 100D. Will test tomorrow but doubt it'll be possible to record longer than a few frames! 
Here's another really quick test recording 2520x1320 and 2336x1314:
 
@PannySVHS that looks very interesting and would be great if someone could look into reviving that hack. The colours look amazing, must be thanks to that CCD sensor! Unfortunately I have no coding knowledge so wouldn't know how to help. 
Magic Lantern development on the EOS M has progressed quickly since this thread started and now in crop mode it's become a 16mm camera (thanks to an increase in resolution capabilities) - so the title of this thread is slightly out of date. Maybe I should start a new thread! Of course it's still possible to shoot super 8 at 720p without using any of the experimental builds.

Thanks! Hope I can do a tutorial someday. Right now the SD overclock hack is simple enough to use, at least compared to the next phase of development that is being carried out to increase the resolution beyond 2520x1080, which is an extremely complex process.
We're hoping it will be possible to overclock the SD card interface even further at some point. With the current overclock hack the write interface runs at 160 mhz (up from 100 mhz natively used by Canon). If the developers find a way of getting the frequency up to 208 mhz (the max UHS-I cards can achieve), then the camera's write speed could increase up to 80mb/s apparently (as opposed to 55mb/s with the current hack). That would make 2520x1320 recording feasible, possibly even 3k recording. 
In fact I just saw that a new build has been posted enabling 4k recording for the EOS M and 100D. Will test tomorrow but doubt it'll be possible to record longer than a few frames! 
Here's another really quick test recording 2520x1320 and 2336x1314:
 
@PannySVHS that looks very interesting and would be great if someone could look into reviving that hack. The colours look amazing, must be thanks to that CCD sensor! Unfortunately I have no coding knowledge so wouldn't know how to help. 
Magic Lantern development on the EOS M has progressed quickly since this thread started and now in crop mode it's become a 16mm camera (thanks to an increase in resolution capabilities) - so the title of this thread is slightly out of date. Maybe I should start a new thread! Of course it's still possible to shoot super 8 at 720p without using any of the experimental builds.

Exactly. the implementation here is incredible. When shot properly, the M50 4k is REALLY nice. 
This entire video was shot on the M50 in 4k (with the exception of the ending which was 1DC)
 

This is awesome or was, since the company has been bought by assumingly Panasonic or Red. The Andromeda mod gave the DVX100
fantastic 10bit 720p in 444 color, making it a magic super 8 digital cinema camera with its beautiful three ccds, bypassing the nappy DV format and showing its true resolution in pixels and color.
If digital bolex is the incarnation of its 16mm analogue ancestor, then the DVX is the kid of the super 8 bolex.
https://vimeo.com/groups/andromeda
@BTM_Pix, Hey, you have done such awesome stuff with software on the Pana GX camera and with your upcoming hardware controller. Would you be interested to revive this project? I would pay money for this to have this unique ccd cinema magic in my hands.
Holy macaroni:
 

@Alpicat
Thanks for all the updates and videos!
 
At some point, I hope that someone will create a simple tutorial demonstrating how to configure the EOSM with ML to enable these capabilities.

Hey guys, another massive contender for THE digital super 8 camera would be... the Panasonic DVX100 Andromeda! 720p 444 10bit, 3 ccd magic!
See this footage and info from this thread. Would love, if this could be revived:
 

The 700D, 100D and EOS M are now able to shoot around 2520x1320 in crop mode (previously 1080 was the max vertical resolution). 3k is also possible although liveview doesn't really work at that resolution.
Record times are very short as it's only possible to shoot in 14 bit lossless for now. Here's my first successful test with the EOS M recording at 2520x1320 and 2336x1314:
 

@tupp thanks for posting that video - All-I frames video looks like a great option when recording with the full sensor!
As for 1800x1030 resolution (without the sd card hack), with 12 bit lossless you can record for a long time if there's not too much contrast or highlights in a frame. 10 bit lossless is continuous
There's some slow progress being made with the sd card hack, it's now possible to use it without having to run tests (which took around 3 minutes every time the camera was turned on), so it's quick to start up now. However that build only works with certain fast cards, and it's still not safe to use. If you try that build with an unsupported card, I don't know what would happen to it.
Below is my latest test, this time with people! I'm using a Sandisk extreme pro 95mb/s 64gb card I'm still getting a max of 55mb/s write speed. At 2520x1080 resolution in 12 bit lossless, recording runs for quite a while unless there's a lot of highlights and contrast in a frame. 10 bit lossless is usually completely continuous. I shot this when it was 26 degrees celcius outside, but the camera worked - it didn't go above 42 degrees C.
Also I've now bought a Canon efs 10-18mm lens. Waiting to get a viltrox 0.71x speedbooster when it's released. That speedbooster combined with this lens at 2.5k resolution in crop mode will result in a field of view of 24mm (35mm full frame equivalent). That's wide enough for me and will make crop mode totally usable.... and that lens has IS which works nicely.
 
 

The 700D, 100D and EOS M are now able to shoot around 2520x1320 in crop mode (previously 1080 was the max vertical resolution). 3k is also possible although liveview doesn't really work at that resolution.
Record times are very short as it's only possible to shoot in 14 bit lossless for now. Here's my first successful test with the EOS M recording at 2520x1320 and 2336x1314:
 

Blackmagic were at the Media Production Show in London today. They didnt have any Pocket 4k's on display but they told me they are still expecting a September release.

Looks like the magic lantern developers are getting close to 3k raw video recording on the 100D and 700D. I'll hopefully be able to start investigating the EOS M too as that's a similar camera. One issue at the moment is that 10 and 12 bit lossless are unsupported at this resolution, so record times are very short, and it's all extremely experimental at the moment.
Here's the link to the 100D thread re: this topic: https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=16040.msg202627#msg202627
 

@Alpicat
Thanks for the videos and for the link to Juan Melara's page!

@tupp the lossless bitrate menu settings seem to keep changing with each build I install - sometimes I see 10 bit lossless in the menu, and other times 11 bit. I don't know why but in any case I've never been able to see a difference. 
Danne's newest test builds which bypass the overclock tests are meant for 95mb/s Sandisk Extreme Pro cards which is what most people seem to be using. It's possible it works on other brand cards but I don't know.
Thanks for talking to the card manufacturers, sounds like a great idea! What would be nice is if they could increase the write speeds for UHS-I SD cards (of course there's UHS-II, but that's no good on an EOS camera) - I'll write to Sandisk. I wonder if it's the card that's being overclocked or the camera's internal card read/write interface? 
Yes in that video there was just the open sky in the background which was blown out. But using Juan Melara's cdng grading technique the highlight rolloff looks more pleasant (see here: http://juanmelara.com.au/blog/a-better-way-to-grade-ursa-mini-cinemadngs ) 
My card already came formatted to exfat since it's 64gb size (I think the 32gb ones are fat32). When I put ML in this card I just copied pasted the files on there after formatting the card in camera I think, didn't do anything special. You can format the card to fat32 but I haven't seen any improvements in max write speeds when doing so. 
 
 

Here's some more footage shooting 2.5k raw video:
 

Here's some more footage shooting 2.5k raw video:
 

Here is my first test filming 2520x1080, 12 bit lossless on the EOS M with the sd card hack, this shot is 2 minutes long using the stock zoom lens and a sandisk extreme pro card. Processed via MLV App and Resolve:
Currently you need to perform an overclocking test and then a benchmark test for your SD card after each time the camera is turned off, so it's a bit cumbersome.
Here's a still - a cdng processed through photoshop, different colour temperature than in the video: