Ken Ross

5 hours ago, Fritz Pierre said:

I think the workaround for this if I'm interpreting your post correctly, is that when you shoot on very long lenses you can put the GH5 on a much lighter tripod than one would normally get away with, and the IBIS will then deal with things like wind etc. on a long large lens...or is it concern about the smaller sensor you're talking about?...

Even on a 400mm long lens in video...can you make it look locked off...especially in wind...I'm only asking about a few seconds and no camera movement like panning or tilting...or does panning help on a long lens....is it possible to actually replicate a locked off shot?

Fritz, the closest I can come to that is the 14-140, which would give it a 280mm equivalent. Add on the 1.4 ETC, and you have nearly 400mm. I have successfully hand held at that focal length and it's indeed very steady. Locked off? Not sure I'd go that far, but steadier than you'd think you could hold that equivalent focal length.

4 hours ago, AKED-M said:

Nothing to be scared about in my opinion. I love the 100-400 lens and in combination with the GH4 it is a dream. Excellent stabilization and also the AF in photo mode is extremly fast. I use it with back button focussing and am really happy with the combination. 

And that's something that can't be overlooked, the stabilization. The IBIS in the Sonys, including the A6500 & A7Rii, IMO, just suck. I see the same jitter than I had with OIS lenses and no IBIS on my A6300. The GH5 is just a dream for hand-holding.

We've conjectured that some of the significant AF differences we've seen in different GH5 videos is the result of differences in the lenses themselves. I've always gotten great AF results from my 14-140 and although my 15mm 1.7 is good, it's not as quick as the 14-140.

I have a feeling as to why he has so many followers.  

On 4/21/2017 at 2:54 AM, jonpais said:

One of the most sensible reviews I've seen so far.

For me, one of the most interesting points they made was something I've experienced in going from the FF A7Rii to the GH5, and you rarely hear people talk about. I always said I saw more of a difference in stills between those 2 cameras than video, as a result of the different sensor size.

They made the distinction that this sized sensor is absolutely fine for video, but they see the advantages in a larger, FF sensor, for stills. I can definitely see that, but since I don't take a ton of stills, the GH5 is more than good enough for my purposes.

20 hours ago, Orangenz said:

Stylistic choice I'm sure.

Or back from a quick vacation to the Bahamas?

10 minutes ago, Mattias Burling said:

I seem to recall you more than once bashing the crap out of the GH4 and other cameras in favor for Sony. Are you saying that if you still where, you wouldn't have accepted these results?

Mattias, it simply proves I'm not a 'fanboy', but I wouldn't characterize my GH4 criticism as 'bashing the crap out of it'. I buy and use the cameras I think work the best, such as some Sonys, the Samsung NX1 and now the GH5. I have zero brand loyalty to virtually anything I buy since the 'best' can be a highly variable phenemona. I actually bought the GH4, did you know that? My criticism was not baseless and random in nature. I was very unhappy with a number of things about it. I was not happy with the obvious aperture stepping that was visible in many of my shots. I was not happy with the AF. I was not happy with the OIS of the lens I was using that gave some very odd artifacts. All this contributed to a negative feeling about the camera. But this was based on use and not a defense of something I currently owned.

My comments are directed at those that are simply 'defending' their current equipment and tend to find fault even in areas where objective people know there isn't fault to be found.

4 hours ago, wonderboy said:

Using these settings the GH5 should become a AF Monster! So no more AF controversy?

 

With all the Sony fanboys out there? Nope. This video and 1,000 more won't end the AF controversy. But with that said, Panasonic should tweak some of the other settings that aren't working as expected and are overly complicated.

5 hours ago, jonpais said:

So it seems to do well when you're walking around the house pointing at different stuff - so why won't it focus properly when you're doing something like an unboxing video? Like when Max and Joseph were doing their beauty shot test. Algorithm?

Jon, honestly, I've given up trying to figure out why there's such a diversity of results. I certainly don't begin to have those failures and many other shooters don't. It's a mystery, it really is. The one thing that's clear in some of the videos that Max does, is he tends to place things much closer to the lens than I and others might typically do. Is that a factor? Who knows. But then I did the same 'lens in front of the camera' test and mine was fine. 

Most of my tests were done with the 14-140 lens and I suspect that lens might also be a quicker focuser than those that Max used. My just acquired Panasonic 15mm 1.7 focuses well, but not quite as quickly. I also know that Max tends not to use 1-area AF and I'd guarantee that's a major factor. Lots of variables.

25 minutes ago, Orangenz said:

Had me stumped too. Still, it shows that the default action with the menu popping up and zebras disappearing is still something that needs fixing, imho. Moving to the dial is more a workaround. But having said that, I definitely prefer it, especially as the roll menu doesn't show up at all now. No extra button pushes!

That was the other side benefit, one dial turn instead of a button push and dial turn. 

33 minutes ago, mercer said:

Sorry, maybe I am not understanding what you mean, but if you are in P, A or S modes, the zebras should disappear because the camera is making sure it isn't overexposing... so as soon as you hit exposure compensation, the camera is readjusting exposure so there is no clipping... so naturally the zebras would disappear?

No, not really. Let's say you go down in exposure less than is necessary to eliminate the zebras. So you're really still overexposed and you should still see the zebras. The problem is you won't as soon as you exit the adjustment.

50 minutes ago, Orangenz said:

SOLVED

Custom settings/operation/Dial set/exposure Comp - set to lower dial

YEAH!!!! YEAH!!!!! And did I say, YEAH!!!!

Orangenz, I'd give you 5 likes if I could. That was unquestionably my biggest annoyance with the cam and it's now gone.

4 hours ago, Chris Adams said:

I just posted a test which kind of does that. Once the camera starts recording no interaction with it other than pointing at objects in the test field - pan / tilt / back and forward on slider. Shallow depth of field, range of objects, varying light intensity.  Sound seems to get neglected round here so put a bit of effort into that too. 

 

Great job Chris! You certainly showed how effective 1-area AF can be. However I suspect no matter what you or I say or do, there will always be the doubters. It's impressive that your video wasn't even shot in the higher frame rate...but of course you'll be chastised for using an external recorder.

3 hours ago, Davey said:

Just set my GX80 up as single point, smallest box, back button focus - nice and snappy when shooting video (even in low light) with a 14-140ii.

The GH5 should be equally as fast if you avoid all this complicated fannying about with settings nobody really understands.

Edit: AF-S and not AF-C 

Yes, we must spread the word and make believers out of the doubters!

3 hours ago, Borbarad said:

GH5 AF Fix done??? It seems!!! See video description for details!

 

Works with 4K 60p and also slightly slower with 24p

B

Here here Borbarad, well done!

3 hours ago, jonpais said:

Not sure I understand. Which mode are you in? Automatic? Because I just took my G85 and pointed it at the computer and the zebras remained even after starting recording. I use the zebras every day and have never encountered a problem.

 

Jon, in manual movie mode, whether I'm in P, A or S priority, as soon as I hit the exposure button (the +/- button), the zebras disappear. I'm not talking about seeing the zebras while recording, but rather while adjusting exposure prior to hitting the record button. I have the issue on the GH5 and have it on the G85. Orangenz has the same issue too. It just seems to be the way Panasonic implements zebras in these modes and it makes no sense. You want to see the zebras while you're adjusting exposure, not just after you've exited the adjustment.

10 hours ago, webrunner5 said:

Holly Shit, that video has some serious detail, and i my mind beautiful color in it, especially in the beginning. Christ I have GAS.

Hmm, I thought nobody here liked the 'video look'. That clip was very nice, but it surely had the video look.

7 hours ago, Dunjoye said:

Regardless of what bit the Gh5 has, its not producing those colors. 

For the Journalist, wedding videographer, Vlogger and Creative Content Type, The Baked look out the can does the trick. With light grading. Its a content hungry audience out there. Clean,Sharp, Vibrant  Rec709 look, goes a long way. 

Until you have both cameras at the same spot, with the same lighting conditions as in that ski video, you just can't make that assessment. All these corporate produced demo shots from new cameras look great.

Most of the GH5 videos that people post are heavily graded, making an assessment of color capabilities nearly impossible. Precious few people really excel at grading IMO. That's why for me, grades videos don't tell me much about the camera. 

10 hours ago, Orangenz said:

The strange this about this is if you are in A, S, or P modes and you adjust something else, like shutter speed, the same sort of rolling scale pops up but the zebras stay on screen. It's only with the exposure comp scale that the zebras disappear. Also, currently in P mode my dials don't do anything. It would be great to have one set to exposure comp just for P mode. Someone can learn me up on this please.

Orangenz, that can't be assigned to one of the dials? I don't have the camera with me to try it, but I like the idea. 

3 hours ago, Dunjoye said:

based on that video posted. The color already looks superior to the gh5 

Yes, the Gh5 is  Video first and has more features for video. But color and image matters. This is decent. 

IMO, without both cameras being in the same spot under the same lighting conditions, it's very tough to tell.

1 hour ago, Fritz Pierre said:

So how do you use the Zebra feature...are Zebras not on if you turned them on?

Fritz, they're on, but awkward to use. So let's say you're viewing your scene, and you see areas of overexposure as indicated by your zebras. You begin to adjust exposure down, but as soon as you press the exposure button, the zebras disappear! So rather than adjusting exposure down until your zebras disappear, you're really just guessing. If you adjust exposure down by 1/3EV and then exit the exposure adjustment, the zebras will either disappear if you adjusted down far enough, or reappear if you weren't aggressive enough in your adjustment. If the zebras are still there upon exiting exposure adjustment, you then need to hit the exposure adjustment again, and bang, the zebras again disappear as soon as you hit the exposure button. 

It works the same way on the G85. I can't begin to understand Panasonic's thinking on this.

2 hours ago, Arikhan said:

@Ken Ross

(Photo)journalists don't care about the unrealistic phantasy or parallel universe of "enthusiasts". Dreaming around doesn't make profit. Only sharp photos/1080p footage with decent compositon and unique selling points - ready to send and immediately published - are profitable. It's all about capture the moment - and publish it, as fast as you can. Neither place nor time for dreaming or tweaking around... 

Just try to find some reliable (not lunatic) infos about bitrates and quality requirements for US- or European broadcasting, relevant for photo- and video journalists. You'll be very surprized: there is no 4K 60fps. Just try to quit a phantasy world and dive for some moments in reality...

I'm well aware of the crappy quality requirements for U.S. broadcasting, but the fact that it could be made far far better doesn't minimize the advantages of 4K60p. When we multi stream 3 and sometimes 4 sub-channels on the same broadcast channel, it doesn't leave me impressed. Most importantly, the fact that an 'enthusiast' can produce technically, better quality material than the end result of what we see on TV, is a good thing, not one that should be derided.

I'm amused by your apparent disdain for 'enthusiasts'. You use it as an almost dirty word.

13 hours ago, Orangenz said:

Two things I noticed this weekend: Current timelapse photo count does not show on screen during capture. Exposure zebras disappear when exposure compensation is being changed. 

The zebras disappearing when exposure compensation is changed, is something I mentioned a while back with the G85, and is my biggest annoyance with the GH5. I can't begin to understand the rationale for this decision. You need to see the zebras while adjusting exposure, not reappearing after.

3 minutes ago, Arikhan said:

@Ken Ross

Hmm.. @noone says

There is NO photojournalist needing 4K 60fps. This is an enthusiast overrated requirement. Try to send this amount of data from Burundi to your editorial office in New York, Berlin or Paris. Even in Kaukasus, LTE (4g) doesn't work constantly...These requiremets are just a parallel universe for journalism and documentary...Nothing real/useful or needed...

OK then, if you're happier with calling it 'half decent video', that's fine.  

3 hours ago, forofilms said:

How about 4k 60p? Any mention?

Pretty amazing to me that at $4,500 U.S., there's no 4K60p. To me this proves that Sony still can't figure out the overheating issue after all this time. IMO they should go to a large enough body where they can combat overheating...as long as it's not the size of a house.

3 hours ago, midloch said:

No, these are 2 profiles selected when recording into GH5. The 1st. is profile like 709 and 2nd. is v-log. I graded them slightly manualy in Vegas pro14.

Yes it was shooted in the same conditions and I only made some manual grading in Vegas pro 14. To me it seems Like 709 better than v-log.

I have always thought that v-log is the best profile but now I am not so convinced unless it needs much better grading.

I like 709 in your test. More natural looking.

1 hour ago, BTM_Pix said:

All credit to PhotoJospeh for trying to move on from getting bogged down in the whole face detect auto focus thing with his new video about how to set up an in car vlogging rig.

Complete with the camera having difficulty focusing on his stationary face....

 

It's a good thing that the GH5 wasn't used in that video, because that would have started a whole new round of "Why can't the damn thing focus?". He used the G7.

I posted a comment below his YouTube video "AF Lock is your friend". I will never understand why people don't use this more, especially in situations like his where the DOF would have been sufficient to retain focus on typical head movements. Excuse me while I hit my head against the wall.

16 hours ago, Orangenz said:

Can some others try taking photos of the sky please? Never had problem trying to af on the sky before, all modes. 

Orangenz, no problem with the 14-140 lens. I took about 4 shots and each time it focused perfectly. Examples:

6 hours ago, Orangenz said:

? 

Seems to be a lot of ? going on.